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In the week leading up to Zeke’s suspension, many an article and blog post pointed out that this Zekeless six game stretch would be Dak’s proving grounds. We’d finally be provided the answer to the question of whether Zeke make’s Dak or Dak make’s Zeke. It seemed a fair test, at the time, all things considered. We declared as a fan base that we are about to know beyond a shadow of a doubt if Dak’s for real for real. Three horrendous games later where the Cowboys were manhandled by the likes of the Falcon’s, Eagles, and Chargers respectively and that narrative was for many a closed book; Dak’s not who we think he is.


The problem with making sweeping assessment’s such as that is it ignores all the other factors that go into winning a game. It dismisses the impact that Sean Lee’s injury had on those same games. We’ve seen the numbers; it is no coincidence that the Cowboys as a collective look like a completely different team without the services of Sean Lee on defense. His absence has an impact not just on defense, but every unit.


How?


Think about it. Let’s say Sean Lee hadn’t played in the Giants game. Take away his 18 tackles, included the sweep he blew up for a 9 yard loss that changed the entire complexion of that game early in the fourth quarter and the interception that sealed the victory. Are you honestly going to try and convince me that the results would have been similar with or without him?


Then consider for a moment how his contribution impacted other units outside of the defense. Granted, he’s not blocking, running and catching balls on any of those other units but imagine how our offense changes the moment the game is no longer tied and the Cowboys are playing from behind. Of a sudden, slowly but surely the Cowboys offense, particularly in the fourth quarter, would have been forced to abandon the run game. Of a sudden, Dak has to win with his arm and his arm alone.


A mere month ago, I’d have said confidently and without hesitation, Dak is up to that challenge. Now, I’m not so sure. I’m not saying Dak is not a franchise QB. I’m merely pointing out that he’s not as polished and complete as I initially thought. The good news is he’s not all that far from ascending to that level either. Stepping up in the pocket and throwing receivers open looks like a few tricks Dak needs to add to is already extensive toolbox in the offseason, but those are by no means traits that will damn the season…particularly once Zeke gets added back in the fold.


After giving it much thought, the issue this “test” ignored was the lack of our ability to turn this coin on its reverse side. How do we think Zeke would fair without Dak? The plot thickens. Some might say that Coop may even be an improvement on Dak, in terms of pocket passing. After all, Cooper is a more traditional QB, in that sense. Coop’s never been asked to win games with his leg, so he very well may be more adept in that role. But beyond that, Coop simply can’t do what Dak does (on the same level, anyway) when the play breaks down. Therein lies the paramount difference between Dak and Coop.


So, with that said, what say you Zoners – do you think the Cowboys would have fared better without Dak for six weeks and Zeke in the back field, given the conditions of also having to weather games with a banged up offensive line, Sean Lee on the sideline, and Coop behind center? Honestly, I don’t know, but I suspect we would have yielded similar results, if not decidedly worse.


Recently I read a fictionalized work that introduced me to a very insightful explanation behind the nature of relationships between men and women. The question that encouraged this bit of wisdom was as follows: How can a man and woman, who have completely different interest, likes, wants, backgrounds have a good relationship? Does not a man and woman require some common ground to flourish?


The answer:


"At first glance, the key and the lock it fits may seem very different. Different in shape, different in function, different in design. The man who looks at them without knowledge of their true nature might think them opposites, for one is meant to open, and the other to keep closed. Yet, upon closer examination, he might see that without one, the other becomes useless. The wise man then sees that both lock and key were created for the same purpose."


I, myself, recently celebrated 10 years of marriage with my wife (December 9, 2007) and 12 years together (08/15/05). In that time, I have had plenty of time to reflect on the differences of my wife and me. We actually had more in common in the beginning, but even then the common grounds were few and far between. We had different upbringings; different hobbies and interest; different friend preferences; different most everything, to say nothing of our innate differences as man and woman.


And yet somehow, when faced with the decision of facing this life without each other, we wilt at the prospect because where I am weak, she is strong and visa versa. Because of our differences we make the perfect team. Each night beyond a brief conversation of how our perspective day went, we typically pursue are different interest and hobbies. Rare is the entertainment my wife and I enjoy together; each night she’ll watch her shows and I’ll dive into my own interest, which rarely involves watching television programming. It doesn’t matter. Some people think it does…but it really doesn’t.

What matters is how we have each other’s back no matter what in everything we do as a team. And I suspect a similar relationship could be found between various positions and position groups throughout a football team; none more important than the relationship that exist between a quarterbacks ability to move the ball down the field through the air and his accompanying ground game.


In the game of football, it really doesn’t matter if you have the best of anything at any position because in this league every team regardless of win / loss ratio, typically has the ability to take one player away on both sides of the ball. So imagine, if you will, a Coop led Cowboys with Zeke in the backfield: Zeke would likely have a similar stretch of games that McFadden had in 2015 with Romo on the sideline.


Zeke would get his share of yards and certainly be in the conversation for another Pro Bowl berth, but I suspect the bulk of his yards would come from those one-off situations where he finds a hole and takes it the distance. Otherwise, defenses would be keying on him and forcing Coop to win with his arm…and I’m not sure at this point in Coop’s career being a UFA this season, he would be prepared to carry this team on the merits of his pocket work alone.


Therein, my friends, is the rub. I have certainly had to take a step back in my estimation of Dak as the future of the Cowboys franchise QB, but to judge him on the work he has done in this stretch of games without Zeke and on the merits of his work in those games alone, I believe to be folly. We can’t dismiss it and yet we can’t as a fan base allow it to define Dak either.


Thoughts?
 
as with dak and all qbs what defines their time in the nfl is their ability to win in the post season so far he is 0 and 1 if this team continues to wallow in mediocrity for the length of his time in the league he will be just like romo and danny white an after thought
 
Dak is getting better at managing game situations.
Slower progress than the two top prospects from 2016.
 
as with dak and all qbs what defines their time in the nfl is their ability to win in the post season so far he is 0 and 1 if this team continues to wallow in mediocrity for the length of his time in the league he will be just like romo and danny white an after thought

Very strange response to the premise of the thread. Neanderthalistic.
 
as with dak and all qbs what defines their time in the nfl is their ability to win in the post season so far he is 0 and 1 if this team continues to wallow in mediocrity for the length of his time in the league he will be just like romo and danny white an after thought
I suppose it depends on who you ask.

For me, neither Danny White or Tony Romo are after-thoughts. I truly appreciate their contribution while they were here regardless of their post season success...but that's just me. I enjoy the game of football for what it is...and championships in no way define my love of this game and therefore, the lack thereof of various greats in this franchise does not define my esteem for them.
 
Dak is getting better at managing game situations.
Slower progress than the two top prospects from 2016.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying above. Are you suggesting Dak has progressed slower than Goff and Wentz?
 
I think you should try to be more succinct.
Succinct? Spshhh...I don't even know the meaning of the word!



Ahem...no really, I have no idea what that word meant...:huh:


:grin:
 
Many critics of Dak ignore the fact that this is only his second season. Last year not only did he have Zeke all season, he had the element of surprise, and a healthy line.

They also seem to ignore his intelligence and potential. We are not even close to Dak"s cieling, he is going to get better with more experience.

There is another aspect to Dak that few mention....he is very durable.

For those who lamented not getting Wentz, which QB will make the greatest impact in December and possibly January?
 
I think Dak is a very good game manager already. I have seen some pretty poor game management from some veteran QBs recently. Drew Brees brain-farted away the game against Atlanta. Brees' last game was just plainly unexplainable. Matty Ice has been managing some games pretty strangely this year, and his performance in the Super Bowl was a poster child for idiotic game management.

Dak is already a better game manager (and QB) than Mariota and Winston. Better game manager than Cousins. I think Dak is a better game manager than Goff. Take Gurley away from Goff and he will struggle like he did last year. I think Dak and Wentz are about the same when it comes to managing a game. Wentz tends to be more riskier. But, with his torn ACL he might not do so much any more. We'll see next year if there is change.

Right now, I'd say the better-than-Dak-managing QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, and Rothlisberger. Cannot even rate Eli at game management this year since he has no weapons on offense. The rest of the QBs in the NFL right now, Dak is better than most at managing games. Depending on one's opinion, Dak might be even with/slightly better/slightly not as good as Russell, Ryan, Alex Smith, and Newton at game managing.

Fletcher Cox said it best when he was with Dak at Miss St, Cox was a senior and Dak a freshman: 'Dak will be a star."
 
Dak is and will remain a work in progress for some time to come. I'm sure we've all come to grips with the idea that he's more effective with Ezekiel Elliott in the backfield to make 2nd and especially 3rd downs much easier to approach with success. Personally, I believe it would make Dak's job much easier if several more reliable WRs and TEs were also in place for him to have a greater impact. Let's hope the draft changes that.

It might also help considerably if the offensive staff were inclined to give our young WRs and TEs more of an opportunity to test their wares. I'd say boldness just isn't one of their long suits when it comes to being open to allowing their young studs to strut their stuff. Perhaps they'll find a way to change that soon, if and when the playoffs aren't in the prospective picture any longer. Then, there'd finally be practically nothing to lose.
 
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Many critics of Dak ignore the fact that this is only his second season. Last year not only did he have Zeke all season, he had the element of surprise, and a healthy line.

They also seem to ignore his intelligence and potential. We are not even close to Dak"s cieling, he is going to get better with more experience.

There is another aspect to Dak that few mention....he is very durable.

For those who lamented not getting Wentz, which QB will make the greatest impact in December and possibly January?
Circumstance and context is the issue in terms of comparing Dak to other QB's. Most people doing the compare work are simply looking at stats and the overall impression they are left with following watching the QB's win or lose (the eye test of Dak versus what the eye test yields from watching other QB's in the league). At a guess, losses likely lend more negativity to the final impression of the QB than what is deserved. Personally, I have no interest in playing the compare game anymore because at the end of the day there are far too many factors that impact results.

Take the Falcons game. Watching that, you might come away from the viewing less than impressed with Dak as a QB. Every measurement test devised by NFL experts would suggest that he simply had a bad day. And yet we as a fan base know that had Zeke, T Smith, and/or Sean Lee played, the results would likely have been decidedly different, as would Dak's QBR.

That clearly suggest a disconnect in how we are grading our QB's. If other players on a QB's team can in any way impact the result, either by playing or not playing, the grade is far more dependent on circumstance than what the experts would have us believe.
 
I think Dak is a very good game manager already. I have seen some pretty poor game management from some veteran QBs recently. Drew Brees brain-farted away the game against Atlanta. Brees' last game was just plainly unexplainable. Matty Ice has been managing some games pretty strangely this year, and his performance in the Super Bowl was a poster child for idiotic game management.

Dak is already a better game manager (and QB) than Mariota and Winston. Better game manager than Cousins. I think Dak is a better game manager than Goff. Take Gurley away from Goff and he will struggle like he did last year. I think Dak and Wentz are about the same when it comes to managing a game. Wentz tends to be more riskier. But, with his torn ACL he might not do so much any more. We'll see next year if there is change.

Right now, I'd say the better-than-Dak-managing QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, and Rothlisberger. Cannot even rate Eli at game management this year since he has no weapons on offense. The rest of the QBs in the NFL right now, Dak is better than most at managing games. Depending on one's opinion, Dak might be even with/slightly better/slightly not as good as Russell, Ryan, Alex Smith, and Newton at game managing.

Fletcher Cox said it best when he was with Dak at Miss St, Cox was a senior and Dak a freshman: 'Dak will be a star."
The real problem in these discussions is we as fans tend to act like we don't know that it is perfectly possible for different QB's to be better on different days. To put that differently, if we were to view and compare games of Dak vs Wentz since their inception, we would likely find days where Wentz looked better than Dak and likewise we would find days were Dak looked better than Wentz. If we were to conduct this experiment, I'm sure there would be those that would conclude that who ever has the most best days to date is logically the best QB. As logical of a conclusion as that may seem to be, it is far too simplistic to be definitive.

The problem is context and circumstance as I described in my response above. The ingredients a QB has to cook with will ultimately determine the finished product. Last year, on many days Wentz looked inept. And yet, I think even us Cowboys fans can agree he really didn't have the best ingredients to cook with. Transversely, I think most would argue that of all the new QB's introduced in 2016, Dak had the best possible ingredients to cook with. As such, Wentz and Daks season were defined according to the ingredients they had to cook with.

Make sense?

With that said, I feel QB comparisons can be a dicey business because there are so many other factors that should considered beyond win/loss ratio, stats and QBR. Offensive line, receivers, running backs, tight end, overall defense, special teams and the field position they create, schematic fit and/or advantage, injuries, etc. And of course, all of those things are impacted by coaching and how players progress under coaching and talent pool via the front office.
 
The Giants game was one of the first games in recent memory where I was very impressed with Dak's decision making and ball placement. He started to come alive in the Skins game too. He made incredible throws, several of which were dropped. The only miss I saw was on that first drive where they drove it down to the 5 only to kick a field goal. Beasley was open in the corner of the endzone on that 3rd down. The thing that gives me confidence about Dak is his character. He has always been humble and knows he came in an underdog. I think he will make a huge jump this offseason but I think he is currently more than capable of taking the team on a deep playoff run this year, if circumstances allow.
 
Dak is and will remain a work in progress for some time to come. I'm sure we've all come to grips with the idea that he's more effective with Ezekiel Elliott in the backfield to make 2nd and especially 3rd downs much easier to approach with success. Personally, I believe it would make Dak's job much easier if several more reliable WRs and TEs were also in place for him to have a greater impact. Let's hope the draft changes that.

It might also help considerably if the offensive staff were inclined to give our young WRs and TEs more of an opportunity to test their wares. I'd say boldness just isn't one of their long suits when it comes to being open to allowing their young studs to strut their stuff. Perhaps they'll find a way to change that soon, if and when the playoffs aren't in the prospective picture any longer. Then, there'd finally be practically nothing to lose.
The difference in 2017 and 2016 has little to do with coaching, talent or lack thereof, and/or Dak's ability as a QB and everything to do with the circumstances of this season. Too many distractions and too many key players missing due to injury and suspension. I'm not saying that gives everybody a pass for the year; I'm merely pointing out that had the Cowboys not had to do without Zeke and Lee, the results would have been decidedly different.
 
The Giants game was one of the first games in recent memory where I was very impressed with Dak's decision making and ball placement. He started to come alive in the Skins game too. He made incredible throws, several of which were dropped. The only miss I saw was on that first drive where they drove it down to the 5 only to kick a field goal. Beasley was open in the corner of the endzone on that 3rd down. The thing that gives me confidence about Dak is his character. He has always been humble and knows he came in an underdog. I think he will make a huge jump this offseason but I think he is currently more than capable of taking the team on a deep playoff run this year, if circumstances allow.
I certainly saw what you saw during the Giants game, but I was impressed with Dak from the first game he played in the 2016 preseason. From there, he has impressed me a number of times with the different types of throws he's had to make. The one that stands out the most in my mind was the back shoulder fade he delivered in the 2016 preseason to Dez at the pylon. That throw could not have been any better. He put it in a place where only Dez could make a play on it.

That said, you and I are on the same page as far as why we have confidence in Dak; his character is on another level from most people in this world. He simply gets it and gets it on a level that most people don't attain in 40 years. He's on old soul. And that characteristic of him is what will ultimately lead to him ascending beyond his peers.
 
In the week leading up to Zeke’s suspension, many an article and blog post pointed out that this Zekeless six game stretch would be Dak’s proving grounds. We’d finally be provided the answer to the question of whether Zeke make’s Dak or Dak make’s Zeke. It seemed a fair test, at the time, all things considered. We declared as a fan base that we are about to know beyond a shadow of a doubt if Dak’s for real for real. Three horrendous games later where the Cowboys were manhandled by the likes of the Falcon’s, Eagles, and Chargers respectively and that narrative was for many a closed book; Dak’s not who we think he is.


The problem with making sweeping assessment’s such as that is it ignores all the other factors that go into winning a game. It dismisses the impact that Sean Lee’s injury had on those same games. We’ve seen the numbers; it is no coincidence that the Cowboys as a collective look like a completely different team without the services of Sean Lee on defense. His absence has an impact not just on defense, but every unit.


How?


Think about it. Let’s say Sean Lee hadn’t played in the Giants game. Take away his 18 tackles, included the sweep he blew up for a 9 yard loss that changed the entire complexion of that game early in the fourth quarter and the interception that sealed the victory. Are you honestly going to try and convince me that the results would have been similar with or without him?


Then consider for a moment how his contribution impacted other units outside of the defense. Granted, he’s not blocking, running and catching balls on any of those other units but imagine how our offense changes the moment the game is no longer tied and the Cowboys are playing from behind. Of a sudden, slowly but surely the Cowboys offense, particularly in the fourth quarter, would have been forced to abandon the run game. Of a sudden, Dak has to win with his arm and his arm alone.


A mere month ago, I’d have said confidently and without hesitation, Dak is up to that challenge. Now, I’m not so sure. I’m not saying Dak is not a franchise QB. I’m merely pointing out that he’s not as polished and complete as I initially thought. The good news is he’s not all that far from ascending to that level either. Stepping up in the pocket and throwing receivers open looks like a few tricks Dak needs to add to is already extensive toolbox in the offseason, but those are by no means traits that will damn the season…particularly once Zeke gets added back in the fold.


After giving it much thought, the issue this “test” ignored was the lack of our ability to turn this coin on its reverse side. How do we think Zeke would fair without Dak? The plot thickens. Some might say that Coop may even be an improvement on Dak, in terms of pocket passing. After all, Cooper is a more traditional QB, in that sense. Coop’s never been asked to win games with his leg, so he very well may be more adept in that role. But beyond that, Coop simply can’t do what Dak does (on the same level, anyway) when the play breaks down. Therein lies the paramount difference between Dak and Coop.


So, with that said, what say you Zoners – do you think the Cowboys would have fared better without Dak for six weeks and Zeke in the back field, given the conditions of also having to weather games with a banged up offensive line, Sean Lee on the sideline, and Coop behind center? Honestly, I don’t know, but I suspect we would have yielded similar results, if not decidedly worse.


Recently I read a fictionalized work that introduced me to a very insightful explanation behind the nature of relationships between men and women. The question that encouraged this bit of wisdom was as follows: How can a man and woman, who have completely different interest, likes, wants, backgrounds have a good relationship? Does not a man and woman require some common ground to flourish?


The answer:


"At first glance, the key and the lock it fits may seem very different. Different in shape, different in function, different in design. The man who looks at them without knowledge of their true nature might think them opposites, for one is meant to open, and the other to keep closed. Yet, upon closer examination, he might see that without one, the other becomes useless. The wise man then sees that both lock and key were created for the same purpose."


I, myself, recently celebrated 10 years of marriage with my wife (December 9, 2007) and 12 years together (08/15/05). In that time, I have had plenty of time to reflect on the differences of my wife and me. We actually had more in common in the beginning, but even then the common grounds were few and far between. We had different upbringings; different hobbies and interest; different friend preferences; different most everything, to say nothing of our innate differences as man and woman.


And yet somehow, when faced with the decision of facing this life without each other, we wilt at the prospect because where I am weak, she is strong and visa versa. Because of our differences we make the perfect team. Each night beyond a brief conversation of how our perspective day went, we typically pursue are different interest and hobbies. Rare is the entertainment my wife and I enjoy together; each night she’ll watch her shows and I’ll dive into my own interest, which rarely involves watching television programming. It doesn’t matter. Some people think it does…but it really doesn’t.

What matters is how we have each other’s back no matter what in everything we do as a team. And I suspect a similar relationship could be found between various positions and position groups throughout a football team; none more important than the relationship that exist between a quarterbacks ability to move the ball down the field through the air and his accompanying ground game.


In the game of football, it really doesn’t matter if you have the best of anything at any position because in this league every team regardless of win / loss ratio, typically has the ability to take one player away on both sides of the ball. So imagine, if you will, a Coop led Cowboys with Zeke in the backfield: Zeke would likely have a similar stretch of games that McFadden had in 2015 with Romo on the sideline.


Zeke would get his share of yards and certainly be in the conversation for another Pro Bowl berth, but I suspect the bulk of his yards would come from those one-off situations where he finds a hole and takes it the distance. Otherwise, defenses would be keying on him and forcing Coop to win with his arm…and I’m not sure at this point in Coop’s career being a UFA this season, he would be prepared to carry this team on the merits of his pocket work alone.


Therein, my friends, is the rub. I have certainly had to take a step back in my estimation of Dak as the future of the Cowboys franchise QB, but to judge him on the work he has done in this stretch of games without Zeke and on the merits of his work in those games alone, I believe to be folly. We can’t dismiss it and yet we can’t as a fan base allow it to define Dak either.


Thoughts?
We shouldn't allow it to define him, but those that were always hoping he would fail, will. Those that understand then learning curve from a pure spread college offense to a pro style unimaginative offense that we run, will agree! He may not develop into a superstar, but I sure as hell don't wish it, either. He's done enough great things to earn my patience. That said, year three will be his defining year.
 
Call it what it is, he's not who we thought he was entering the season. He deserves another year before we pass final judgment, but as of right now, we have a potential problem at QB. I would feel a lot better if it was just the six game stretch with no Zeke, but this has been going on most of the season.
 
Stopped reading when it became clear the judgement of Dak (or lack of it) was based on looking at the team's performance and how it was impacted by other factors instead of looking at how Dak himself performed.
 
The difference in 2017 and 2016 has little to do with coaching, talent or lack thereof, and/or Dak's ability as a QB and everything to do with the circumstances of this season. Too many distractions and too many key players missing due to injury and suspension. I'm not saying that gives everybody a pass for the year; I'm merely pointing out that had the Cowboys not had to do without Zeke and Lee, the results would have been decidedly different.
if the team had been put together last offseason right with the proper depth at certain positions with proper coaching they wouldn't be in the situation they are in
 

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