Long Term Offer For Spencer On The Table

[Frosty]

Picked this up off another site.

I didn't think they would because they waited so long to even talk about one but supposedly that's the word from his agent on Twitter.



I hope it's a lowball offer.

I'm talking lower than a salamander's belly.

Heard Jerry Jones is handling the negotiations himself, he offered Spencer a bag of peanuts and a can of motivation Reports says Spencer and his agent want to limit the motivation to only 30min per game.

 

[TheSport78]

Spencer deserves anywhere from 4-5 million a year. I don't think he even understands his own worth. I would draft a replacement early and not sign this guy long term.

 

[neosapien23]

What about giving Spencer a contract that gives him a million dollars for very sack he accumulates???This way he actually tries to get the quarterback.

 

[CowboysPhan]

I think the Jones have learned from prior bad contracts. Newman,Barber ECT. The franchise tag just buys them time until they find a replacement.. 9 mil for one year is much better than lets say 50 over 5. With who knows how much guaranteed.

I agree. I think they have no real intention of paying him the franchise tag money, but they wanted to use it to keep him here until they know a) if they can find a good replacement, and b) if they can work out a reasonable deal with him. As has been pointed out, while he doesn't exactly light it up with sacks, he's a solid player and there weren't many of those at his position available in FA this year. They need him to stay around for insurance. Glad he's got an agent the Cowboys can work with.

 

[burmafrd]

At this time of year you can believe any agent talk about as much as you can believe anything jerruh is saying right now.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

If Spencer is wise he'll do what Greg Ellis did when he took less to sign long term, because after that deal expired, Ellis was still able to play 2 more years on a modest deal elsewhere before retiring. Although Ellis was sour-grapes about this - because he always felt he was playing for less than his worth, which can be debated - the reality is that this course he took allowed him to maximize his years in the NFL and maximize his potential earnings over the life of his career. If Spencer is smart, he'll do the same and sign his modest long term offer, and if he's wise, he'll do it gladly, unlike Ellis's, realizing this will maximize his years and earnings in the NFL. Ball's in your court Spencer.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree. You would think some posters here were paying Spencers salary out of thier own pockets. HE ISNT WARE !!!! He is a solid, dependable player.

We can do better.

 

[visionary]

Jordan Woy is the same guy that represents Jason Witten so he has familiarity in dealing with the Cowboys.

I am assuming here but Spencer changing his agent to a guy that is well known with Stephen Jones probably means Spencer wants to stay in Dallas.

of course he does
there arent too many teams that want to overpay for mediocrity

most of the other teams have actual GMs you know

 

[skinsscalper]

of course he does
there arent too many teams that want to overpay for mediocrity

most of the other teams have actual GMs you know

If Spencer would have hit the open market, he wouldn't have been a FA for more than about 48 hours, IMO.

It's obvious that Spencer is no Demarcus Ware. In fact, NO ONE else in the NFL is either. Ware is a rare player that makes things happen, regardless. What Spencer truly needs is a a pressure player on his right side. The guy has played with scrubs next to him his entire career. I loved the Tyron Smith pick last year, but had Dallas drafted JJ Watt, I think we would all be singing a different tune about how "The light went on for Spencer in '11" and we'd be ready to storm Valley Ranch had he NOT been franchised or signed to a long term deal.

Again, just my opinion.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Its not hate, its called production. Go look at his stats on NFL.com and come back and tell me he is a top 5 player at his position.

Go look at what guys like Ahmad Brooks, Jarrett Johnson and others who play the same position got and come back and tell me he is only worth 5 mil per season.

 

[ufcrules1]

Let's all be honest here. We have a history of over paying Jags... we have a team full of them right now from past mistakes. They will more than likely over pay Spencer. Last year was a contract year and he didn't do squat.

 

[CCBoy]

If Spencer is wise he'll do what Greg Ellis did when he took less to sign long term, because after that deal expired, Ellis was still able to play 2 more years on a modest deal elsewhere before retiring. Although Ellis was sour-grapes about this - because he always felt he was playing for less than his worth, which can be debated - the reality is that this course he took allowed him to maximize his years in the NFL and maximize his potential earnings over the life of his career. If Spencer is smart, he'll do the same and sign his modest long term offer, and if he's wise, he'll do it gladly, unlike Ellis's, realizing this will maximize his years and earnings in the NFL. Ball's in your court Spencer.

It appears that Anthony Spencer is getting realistic in how he approaches things, at least for a career status. I feel that in his heart, he likes the Cowboys and appreciates being a Cowboy.

I respect his play. He has at least won the right to start in the current mix with the Cowboys. At points in his career, he has dangled some talent as well.

So, his story remains unwritten for him at least by this fan, and I look forward to an entire learning offseason with Rob Ryan. We haven't seen the full transition in regards to that as well.

 

[sacase]

Its not hate, its called production. Go look at his stats on NFL.com and come back and tell me he is a top 5 player at his position.


I will watch as you get laughed off this board trying to defend using the franchise tag on him.

Spencer is the 18th ranked OLB in NFL.Com for sacks. Of those top 18, only 3 have equal to or more tackles than he does. 3 have the same amount of force fumbles as he does and only one has more forced fumbles than he does. Ware has 58 tackles and only two forced fumbles along with his 19.5 sacks. So yes ware has far more sacks than Spencer and most of the league but Spencer has caused more Turnovers, which are very valuable. I am not saying that Spencer is as good or better than Ware so don't even try that straw-man argument, I am just saying that he is far more valuable than most posters want to give him credit for because he doesn't get the sexy sack numbers. Does he deserve a top 5 contract? Of course not, but he does deserve a fair long term deal. I bet if he hit the market he would be scooped up so fast it would make our heads spin. He plays an important role on the defense but many of you would rather create another hole that we have to fill than have a very good player on our defense.

 

[Dallas]

After reading that tweet, I don't think the agent meant there is an actual offer on the table. It just sounded like he is still working towards a long term deal, or just sign the franchise tag.

That how I read it too. It doesn't say anything abotu a long term. Says he would be working on either or, not that Dallas offered the LT.

 

[ddh33]

This will all work out one way or another, but I was interested in what Rob Ryan had told Courtney Upshaw when he visited with him. He said he already had one of the great pass-rushers, so the opposite LB would be dropping and covering quite a bit more. Makes me wonder if they are perfectly content with Spencer?

As a 3-4 OLB, I actually have very little problem with Spencer. I think he does that job very well, and I believe the base defense would look much better with more pass rush from the defensive line.

My complaints with Spencer are more related to when he has his hand in the ground on nickel down, and everyone knows he is coming. He doesn't have to worry about dropping and covering then. His only job is getting to the QB. I don't know that he does that well enough. I would love to see some numbers and analysis on that though.

 

[Dodger]

We've already been over this.

For his position, LOLB or, perhaps more accurately, the 2nd OLB on a team, Spencer is top 5 in the league, easily.

Again, when comparing him to other OLBs who are their team's 2nd OLB, Spencer compares very favorably to his peers.

That doesn't mean I want the Cowboys to pay him a king's ransom or even that I like him all that much, but I wouldn't mind if they found a compromise and was able to sign him to a deal that is fair to him and the Cowboys.

 

[RS12]

If that was his production in a contract year, scared to think about a long term deal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who hasn't touched Greg Ellis's stats when he was across from Demarcus. Just sayin'...

You want to see hate, go back and re-read some of the posts about Ellis. Now that was boarder line crazy.

 

[CF74]

It better be incentive laden to light a fire under him, like 1 million bonus for ten sacks. A signing bonus that must be returned if performance doesn't exceed certain numbers over the life of the contract.

That sounds good in theory but he's going to want more pass rush attempts vs having to drop back in coverage...

Just curious does anyone know how many pass deflects he has? I bet it's close to 5-6 if not more...

 

[Smashin222]

We've already been over this.

For his position, LOLB or, perhaps more accurately, the 2nd OLB on a team, Spencer is top 5 in the league, easily.

Again, when comparing him to other OLBs who are their team's 2nd OLB, Spencer compares very favorably to his peers.

That doesn't mean I want the Cowboys to pay him a king's ransom or even that I like him all that much, but I wouldn't mind if they found a compromise and was able to sign him to a deal that is fair to him and the Cowboys.

THIS!!!!!

good lord people, come on, there's more to playing LOLB than sacks. Look at his TFL numbers. The dude is a great run stopper and an above- average pass rusher.

I think we've gotten too used to being a great run stuffing team and we've forgotten how it gets done.

For all the cheaptalk on this board about "winning in the trenches" it all falls away when we talk about the bling-bling of sacks.

there is more to football than what is shown on the camera while you watch on your couch. Getting a negative rush play on first down has the same effect as a 2 yard sack....