Look at the NYG, they have what we are missing?

[CowboyRoy]

Im sorry but it does even with OBJ and Engram right now Dak wouldn't be better, we cant have a QB who doesnt read the defense properly pre snap, stares down the rush and that makes him blind to half the field or all of it and he misses wide open WR/TEs more often then not, and his pocket presence and how to climb in it and move around within it no matter how bad the blocking is, and having to have the perfect storm of team around him to be good, give it up we need someone better them him..Id settle for Tier 2 guy Like Romo was , not Elite, but look at DWatson even against us found a way to move around enough to complete balls when it counted..he was under duress all night and got it done more times then not..Dak did not..Dak is Tier 3 not horrible but really would be better suited as aback up or a team around him that is SB ready and can hide his deficiency's..i defended Dak all last season, off season , after game 2 but I can NOT anymore..its on tape the guy doesnt have "IT" Hes gun shy now just has a lot of issues, too many to overcome IMO..as diehard I hope he gets it fixed I can care less whos our QB if they are performing to higher level..Im not Dak hater but im relaist and its broken big time

Yah, again you missed the point. Its the Oline play. Doesn't matter who the skill guys are.

 

[blueblood70]

Yah, again you missed the point. Its the Oline play. Doesn't matter who the skill guys are.

they may not be what they were and run block better then pass block but they arent terrible, IMO still above avg and enough to get it done..didnt miss the point im not agreeing with they are the issue.. other QBs have to deal with that and do abetter job then Dak, you are missing the Point..Daks play is trash right now..

 

[CowboyRoy]

they may not be what they were and run block better then pass block but they arent terrible, IMO still above avg and enough to get it done..didnt miss the point im not agreeing with they are the issue.. other QBs have to deal with that and do abetter job then Dak, you are missing the Point..Daks play is trash right now..

I never said he wasn't trash right now. But just about any QB would be trash in this offense.

Its a straight line relationship between QB's and the quality of players around them. Same with coaching.

We have the worst pass catchers in the NFL, the worst scheme and coaching, and now an average line. So now the QB is playing much worse. Pretty simple stuff.

Doesn't matter who the QB is, that relationship goes up and down.

 

[CowboyRoy]

they may not be what they were and run block better then pass block but they arent terrible, IMO still above avg and enough to get it done..didnt miss the point im not agreeing with they are the issue.. other QBs have to deal with that and do abetter job then Dak, you are missing the Point..Daks play is trash right now..

who does a better job, like eli manning? LOL

Please list the QB's that do more than Dak with less then Dak?

Actually, why don't you just name a QB that has less then DAk to start. There isn't one.

 

[75boyz]

look at SaquanB, having a great ROY campaign and his offense looks bad.. BTW all the talk about Dak needing better WR/TEs will make HIM better,

doesnt NY have SB, OBJ, some decent slot guys, Engram at TE, arguably a season vet at QB Shurmur a better Coaching tree guy, hows that working out? if the QB is not playing well for whatever reason it will blow the play calling up..

Yes many things are broken but no way Daks better then ELI, different layers both playing poorly but Eli was given all the things we seem to be missing outside of a consistent Oline, and still Eli and the team are struggling as much or more then us..

all the Dak apologists say give him better targets and better coaching.. well Eli has all that and still failing. its ELI and its Dak..sure we have other ral issues but if OBJ and Ingram were here, dak would all of a sudden be fixed?

I say no..

Nailed it. Exact rebuttal needed of the legendary comedic comparison of Dak to Rodgers. Just listing them in the same sentence is an oxy moron in itself.
Not hating on the whole bus driver premise, a la Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer riding their teams historically dominant defenses to rings as well as an average McMahon doing the same with the 85 Bears. But the current Dallas defense is not historically dominant.

Maybe if he chose the Flacco or Eli angle of getting hot at the right time during the playoffs and again n both cases, riding your defenses' coat tails to victory as examples would have gained more legitimacy in my eyes. Albeit Mannings tyree and manningham passes and flaccos full SB playoff run were definitely central factors during their successful years as well, they've both never been heard from again is all I'm saying.
So, I guess I'm not criticizing the post in general, but just the choice of QB to whom Dak was compared. Serving up Rodgers, Brady or Brees as any type of comparative measure to Dak just screams of emotional attachment. Maybe, I don't know, from a poster who historically other wise had always had rationally balanced and intelligent posts. It still kinda trips me out to even read the further desperate rambling justifications that I think he even knows are a stretch at best, given Daks inability to basically throw a consistently accurate NFL ball.

 

[mardwin]

NYG messed up, they let their own ego get in their way. They had the opportunity to draft either Darnold, Rosen or Allen.

 

[DandyDon1722]

look at SaquanB, having a great ROY campaign and his offense looks bad.. BTW all the talk about Dak needing better WR/TEs will make HIM better,

doesnt NY have SB, OBJ, some decent slot guys, Engram at TE, arguably a season vet at QB Shurmur a better Coaching tree guy, hows that working out? if the QB is not playing well for whatever reason it will blow the play calling up..

Yes many things are broken but no way Daks better then ELI, different layers both playing poorly but Eli was given all the things we seem to be missing outside of a consistent Oline, and still Eli and the team are struggling as much or more then us..

all the Dak apologists say give him better targets and better coaching.. well Eli has all that and still failing. its ELI and its Dak..sure we have other ral issues but if OBJ and Ingram were here, dak would all of a sudden be fixed?

I say no..

Although I agreed with most all of your post, Dak is much better than Eli right now. He can run the ball when he has to and has a much better arm.

Eli is 20 games under .500 with no playoff wins and the most INT's in the NFL since their last Super Bowl and that was a long time ago. For three years he's about as atrocious a QB as the league has seen in a long time right now.

 

[exciter]

can white or Rush be worse? maybe they need 4/5 games each with the same 1s daks playing with to really know what we have or down have.. can it be much worse? if we are going down its time to see who we have..if we are trying to salvage the season go get a KAP and see if he can be better..proof will be on the field..

From what I saw in preseason, yeah it can be much worse. They're are players the team is going to want to resign over the next couple of years. Why would they want to play or resign if the coaches and management quit. Draft a #=^<>*# qb!

 

[exciter]

so if Dak goes down there is no viable back up again,both back ups are garbage is what you are saying, well Dak is garbage at this point no better than Weeden (never saw a prettier ball thrown) or Cassell during the season before the Zeke draft so what difference would it make to see what either can do for a few games, maybe the benching will enlighten Dak , you can always start him again. Sorry but the Jones boys are incompetent buffoons.

Did you see anything in preseason that resembled a viable backup. Scouting reports on Rush were that he might be a career backup in a west coast offense. Playing against 1s and 2s made that painfully obvious. Scouting reports on White stated he needed at least 2 years working on pocket awareness. I'm not sure 5 would help. Daks issue isn't a motivational issue. He lacks accuracy and his skillset doesn't match this antiquated offense. About the only way I see him as possibly being salvageable is maybe in a west coast. At this point I'd just assume draft a qb. Throwing Rush or White out there is quiting and not a good message to send to the other players!

 

[OmerV]

Eli will probably be released at the end of the year and they will draft their QB.

If he is released..

I would take him as a backup in a heart beat.

Why would Eli take a back up position?

 

[Brax]

Did you see anything in preseason that resembled a viable backup. Scouting reports on Rush were that he might be a career backup in a west coast offense. Playing against 1s and 2s made that painfully obvious. Scouting reports on White stated he needed at least 2 years working on pocket awareness. I'm not sure 5 would help. Daks issue isn't a motivational issue. He lacks accuracy and his skillset doesn't match this antiquated offense. About the only way I see him as possibly being salvageable is maybe in a west coast. At this point I'd just assume draft a qb. Throwing Rush or White out there is quiting and not a good message to send to the other players!

I didn't see the PS games maybe you did, but JJ and JG did and they went into the season ready to go with one of those guys if Dak went down. To me the message from Dak's benching should be if you do not play well your out, its not motivational its you don't produce you don't play. The only way to find out what the other guys have is to play them. I am sure they most likely suck too but you will not know until you play them. Will not happen because Jerry will not allow it, it would make him look bad.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So you are going to pretend Giants don't have a line? Thread fail.

 

[Creeper]

I was shocked at how poorly the Giants played last night. They looked like they quit in that game. The Eagles are good, but not that good.

Eli can still play but he has been watching the rush for a few years now so if anyone gets close it upsets his game a lot. If the Giants could protect him, I think he would be able to put a lot of passing yards and TD on the board. I said it last year and I still believe it. Drafting Barkley was a mistake. He may have been the best player in the draft. He may be a great RB for the next 6 or 7 years, which I doubt, but he was not the right pick for the Giants. Their biggest flaw for 2 years has been offensive line and while they signed a free agent and drafted a potential quality G in Will Hernandez, the rest of their OL is a total disaster. It looks like they will have another high draft pick in 2019 and maybe they draft a franchise LT or a Center, but they will need a QB soon too. Manning is close to done if not done. If they have a top 5 pick this year it will almost certainly be used for a QB, meaning their OL goes unaddressed again.

The only thing about the Giants is they are willing to sign high priced free agents, while Jerry is not.

 

[ghst187]

Our biggest issue is coaching.
not saying Dak can be fixed, but he sure could be better from better coaching and a better playbook / scheme.
And for sure a better QB coach.

But the offense as a whole, will benefit from better coaching.

Rest assured an offensive guru like Andy Reid would probably have us sitting at 4-1 or 5-0 and we wouldn’t be talking about a new QB.
Dak has limitations but I suspect someone who can scheme and playcall like him could crank out at least 20 points per game.
Bill Parcells went to the playoffs with Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting.
Coaching is the first or second most important thing in the NFL and number three is no where close to the first two

 

[CowboyRoy]

no draft him let romo come back late 2016 put dak back on bench and let him learn more..his success in 16 actually set him and the FPO back on False hope he gave..Romo then could have retired this season or next and daks third/4th year might be better imo..

Or we could just fix the Oline and everything would be back to normal.

 

[aria]

I believe the Giants/Eagles game is on the NFL Network right now if anyone wants to see how much better our O line is than the Giants and how bad Eli really is. You can also check out Barkley and Wentz. Barkley has no where to run most of the game and still makes things happen, he had some very impressive runs.

It’s also worth checking out for Odiva’s little temper tantrums, he doesn’t disappoint. No wonder him and Dez are buddies.