Looking at a drafted solution at running back

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I favor the "BPA" approach. So if it's running back, so be it.
Besides, Gurley is supposed to be one of those "once every 10 years" backs. If he's there and he's healthy, take him and don't look back. Heck, I wouldn't even mind taking him if we resign Murray, especially if he's the BPA at the time we pick.
 

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Try rereading for what is stated...the Cowboys only signed two mediocre players. They lost very good players in Ware and Hatcher in the mean time.

This points to additions of 'diamonds' not changing or improving a team's chances to make a last step. Ask the Broncos and Philadelphia about that progression. Those two were trying to get a Lombardi following previous success. And yea, Hatcher went to Washington.
Sorry if I didn't pick up on the nuances in your writing.
 

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On the defense for last season, the Cowboys only added two mediocre defensive players, while losing Ware and Hatcher.

What did carry the Cowboys, was their offensive balance. Not to mention their lead running back outdistanced the next best in the NFL by over 500 yards rushing.

The rushing element is a dynamic influence on success for the Cowboys...not just a pie chart reference for winning.

Can't say I agree with this. The offense improved last season over recent seasons, and in large part because Tony was more effective. But our defense improved significantly over the prior two seasons. That's pretty obvious from both watching the games and all the available data. I agree that most of that improvement was not tied to personnel, but we're still operating at a significant talent deficiency on that side of the ball. Give me the right first round DL over the right first round RB anyway. We can find quality RBs lower in the top 150 or so players of the draft.
 

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Can't say I agree with this. The offense improved last season over recent seasons, and in large part because Tony was more effective. But our defense improved significantly over the prior two seasons. That's pretty obvious from both watching the games and all the available data. I agree that most of that improvement was not tied to personnel, but we're still operating at a significant talent deficiency on that side of the ball. Give me the right first round DL over the right first round RB anyway. We can find quality RBs lower in the top 150 or so players of the draft.

Two years? That's why there was such firm support for the direction of the Cowboys' defense prior to the actual start of this season. And a clamor for high profile stars to be added...sorry, the indicators at the start of this season, weren't there. Until the development under the new DC proved out with medium level players added.

But you are missing the comparative value in acquiring a much cheaper but similarly functional drafted running back. AS to the defense, this season proved that the free agents already associated with the team, and based on this season's progression with them, warrants a high value level in consideration.

Not, JUST a drafted defensive lineman is being placed upon the table for observation.

Hence, free agents being added to the likes of Lawrence, Lee, and McClain looks better, as does the cap implications with a high placed running back via the draft.

Give me Anthony Spencer, and I am much happier with the current projections as well.

Heck, draft me a future Darren Woodson, with similar incoming attributes, and I'm even happy about the defensive secondary.
 
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Can't say I agree with this. The offense improved last season over recent seasons, and in large part because Tony was more effective. But our defense improved significantly over the prior two seasons. That's pretty obvious from both watching the games and all the available data. I agree that most of that improvement was not tied to personnel, but we're still operating at a significant talent deficiency on that side of the ball. Give me the right first round DL over the right first round RB anyway. We can find quality RBs lower in the top 150 or so players of the draft.

I agree with this, we have seen what Marinelli can do with average DL, I want to see what he can do with some talent. I think Dallas can get a RB after the first round.
 

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Two years? That's why there was such firm support for the direction of the Cowboys' defense prior to the actual start of this season. And a clamor for high profile stars to be added...sorry, the indicators at the start of this season, weren't there. Until the development under the new DC proved out with medium level players added.

Not sure we're disagreeing on the defense. The two years prior to last year was the last Rob Ryan year and the Monte Kiffin year. The defense was atrocious, and going into last season, we'd lost a done of talent on the front and still improved to mediocre. But that improvement was more responsible for us winning the four extra close games than the offensive improvement was. Sure, having Tony take fewer changes and throw the ball even better than he had the prior few seasons was a help, but the real deal was going from bottom two in the league defensively to somewhere in the middle of the league defensively.

I'd rather take my chances that adding first and second round taken to the defense moves that side of the ball up from the middle of the pack than I would that we find enough of an upgrade for the offense to move it a spot or two higher from where we are in the top 4-5 already. We can upgrade every single position group on defense in that first round with the best possible player available. Or we can target one of the two positions on offense that could possibly be in need of an upgrade (RT or RB). Much more likely that the best player for us on the board is a defender this year.
 

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Loaded Draft Class & Murray’s Contract Beg Important Questions About RB Value
Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:08 PM CST
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By David Helman
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...ntract-beg-important-questions-about-rb-value

INDIANAPOLISDeMarco Murray’s future in Dallas isn’t going to be decided during the course of the NFL Combine, but it certainly sets the stage for speculation.

The talking points about Murray’s contract negotiations have been beaten into the ground, and they don’t need to be re-examined here. The scene at Lucas Oil Stadium creates an interesting juxtaposition, though. Because as the Cowboys work on deciding whether to reward Murray with a second contract, they are surrounded by the very best of this year’s crop of younger, cheaper replacements.

“Every year you scout and evaluate, like every position, the runners that are out there, whether it's free agency or the draft,” said Seahawks general manager John Schneider, who may also need to replace a Pro Bowl running back this spring. “I personally think this is a pretty good running back group this year.”

Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley, Tevin Coleman and Jay Ajayi are just some of the headliners in what appears to be a loaded running back class. If the Cowboys do part ways with Murray, running back becomes a big position of need – a need they could decide to fill as early as No. 27 overall in the draft. “I think you’ll probably find if you really look at it, that running the football is an important part of all championship-type teams,” said Cowboys coach Jason Garrett on Wednesday. But that raises another question about the value of running backs in the NFL. If the Cowboys aren’t willing to reward Murray with a handsome contract, will they be willing to draft his replacement as early as the first round?

Since Trent Richardson was taken third overall in 2012, no running back has gone higher than No. 37 in the subsequent two drafts. Even other first-round backs in recent years, like Mark Ingram in 2011 and Doug Martin and David Wilson in 2012 have been late picks – Ingram went 28th, Martin went 31st and Wilson went 32nd.

“It’s a passing league, but it’s hard to say it’s a devalued position,” Gordon said. “I guess teams just go with the picks they actually need – I don’t know. I don’t know the thoughts going through their head. Maybe they didn’t feel the running backs the last couple years were first-round talent.”

Gordon, who racked up an absurd 2,587 yards and 29 touchdowns in his final year with Wisconsin, is one of the poster boys for a potential first-round running back this year. He’s a guy that plenty have pegged as a possible Day 1 replacement should Murray leave town – a guy that can simply be plugged into the system.

Garrett took issue with the concept of “plugging” someone in, however – he said he disliked the term. For all the skill of the Cowboys’ vaunted offensive line, Garrett has gone out of his way to praise Murray’s durability and physicality on the way to his 1,845-yard season.

“The runner does matter,” he said. “I think we’ve all seen that running backs don’t seem to be drafted quite as high as they used to. I think that has a lot to do with the longevity of the player. But I do think the value of the running back is really, really critical to having a great running football team.” This past season helped prove Garrett’s point. Murray and the Dallas ground game carried the Cowboys to an unexpected division title, while Seattle rode Marshawn Lynch’s punishing running to a second-straight Super Bowl appearance. That isn’t lost on this newest batch of running backs. Nearly to a man, this year’s Combine invitees mentioned Murray and Lynch, and they spoke about being encouraged by the number of power run teams and workhorse backs around the league today.

“I think there’s a resurgence of running backs,” Ajayi said. “Just looking at this class of running backs that we have in this draft class, I think this is a very strong class and I think for the years to come that the NFL is going to see a rise in the new running back class.”

It could start this year. Gordon and Gurley are often spoken of as first-round picks. Coleman and Ajayi are widely considered second-to-third round selections, depending on the run-up to the draft at the end of April. It’s worth remembering that Murray, whose worth is being so hotly debated, was a third-round pick, going No. 71 overall to the Cowboys in 2011.

It’s an interesting thought, considering Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones’ comments about evaluating Murray just two days ago. On Tuesday, Jones said the Cowboys will leave no stone unturned in assessing what their offer will be for their All-Pro’s services.

“There are a lot of things we have to evaluate before we make the ultimate decision as to what our number is going to be with DeMarco versus what some other’s number may be,” he said.

If the value of retaining Murray is too high, it will be interesting to see what type of value the Cowboys assign to his replacement.
 

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We need defense, but I don't take a defensive player who's much less talented than the BPA just because the BPA plays offense. Anything can happen, but the way it looks to me, the DL are probably going to be picked over pretty well by #27. A ton of teams need corners too, so I dunno. The highest rated defensive player on the board could easily be a linebacker, by far. Would you be cool with that? I'll be fine if we come out of day one with Perryman or Thompson, but I'd be just as happy with Gurley or La'el Collins too.
 

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Well, actually, I'd rather have a LB'er than Gurley, but that's because I think Duke Johnson is gonna be a special player.
 

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both Gurley and Gordon have amazing vision,i see Gordon show patience and recognize open lanes which i saw Murray routinely miss,i just am not comfortable with drafting a RB in RD 1 with so much talent even in rd 5-6.
 

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I find it very funny how people say things like "Never draft a RB in Rd 1" and "I wouldn't draft a RB until Rd 4". If thats the case why even set up a draft board? If you immediately cross out a player by position in any Rd you are making a mistake, and likely the same one perennial bad teams are making. If a RB is the BPA in the 1st, so be it. Give me talent over need any day. The draft is about the next 5 years. Not just this year.
 

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Lets see.
At 27 all the impact top tier defensive players will be off the board.
And we are seeing Todd Gurley still sitting there .
First off I am milking the draft clock down waiting for trade down offers.
If one does not come I simply write Todd Gurley on my draft card and send it up to the commissioner.
Then I will have a huge smile on my face knowing that we have someone with power like Marshawn Lynch with 4.4 speed running behind the best offensive line in the NFL.

Shut my laptop and call it a day.
 

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I see AP as the starter next year (just feels like it's going to happen). If Randle doesn't stick around, Williams joins the active roster. Dunbar is likely gone.

I don't think you can draft a RB until the third day especially with our LB situation as well as need for some more down linemen.
 
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