Looking back. how dumb was Laura Miller

[Zordon]

...for saying NO to the downtown Dallas Cowboys Stadium idea?

I'm watching on ESPN2 a soldout crowd at the stadium for an Argentina/Mexico friendly. Where was her vision?

 

[MonsterD]

...for saying NO to the downtown Dallas Cowboys Stadium idea?

I'm watching on ESPN2 a sellout crowd at the stadium for Argentina/Mexico. Where was her vision?

I was really upset back then that she didn't try to find a solution. Oh well.

 

[Zordon]

the place is rocking. the mexican fans are so loud! it's a myth that the stadium can't contain sound properly. the fans are the problem.

 

[yimyammer]

...for saying NO to the downtown Dallas Cowboys Stadium idea?

I'm watching on ESPN2 a soldout crowd at the stadium for an Argentina/Mexico friendly. Where was her vision?

She had none, ******* idiot.

 

[Bigdog]

Jerry Jones is no dummy. He is making money off this. I mean you have Mexico with a great following against the best player in the world in Messi. That is a money maker right there.

 

[Nightman]

MESSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.........GGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOAAALLLLLL

 

[danielofthesaints]

Good 2nd half. But man is that field atrocious.

 

[trickblue]

It was a very foolish decision at the time. She said she was concerned with traffic and displacing people from their homes in the area.

Jones wanted to build at Fair Park, where the State Fair is held. It's surrounded by VERY rough neighborhoods and high crime rates.

Dallas could have raked in a lot of money as well as revitalized an area that is in much need...

 

[DFWJC]

It was a very foolish decision at the time. She said she was concerned with traffic and displacing people from their homes in the area.

Jones wanted to build at Fair Park, where the State Fair is held. It's surrounded by VERY rough neighborhoods and high crime rates.

Dallas could have raked in a lot of money as well as revitalized an area that is in much need...

This.

Even the area where American Airlines center was built was pretty nasty--not a s bad as Fair park, but bad. Now all of uptown has filled in all the way to and past the AAC with hotels, hi-rise condos, restaurants, etc.
Fair Park and the surrounding area would have really gotten a jolt.

Oh well.
Meanwhile, we paid over a billion for the Trinity River project that was to have a sailing marina , a river lined with restaurants, condos, business, etc,etc...That money evaporated.

 

[Idgit]

I'm not local, and know nothing of Laura Miller, but that one had idiotic decision written all over it, and it was obvious at the time. I can't imagine what she was thinking.

 

[Silver Surfer]

There was a lotta stuff going on at that time. Whole bunch of resentment toward sweetheart deals for sports teams. Meanwhile people in the proposed area were talking about holding out for large sums of money for their properties.

Miller had been voted in at a time when people thought Dallas politics were either corrupt, incompetent, or slaves to the interests of the wealthy. She was there to be "fair" and clean things up. The city council was complaining certain areas of town were being left behind while the rich got richer. Her "brand" and the self-interests of the council members, landowners and the developers created a very difficult climate to get a deal done. Everybody was looking out for themselves and not the bigger picture. It would have appeared like a reversal by Miller, but it would have been a big win for Dallas if she had exercised some vision and worked to make project happen.

Meanwhile, the folks in Arlington were enjoying the enhanced status they enjoyed as bigger player in the region after getting the Ballpark project. It looked like the deal was going to payoff early, and they came at the project with a "can-do" approach. Dallas probably would have been better venue for the Cowboys, and I think Jones would have preferred being there, but the folks in Dallas couldn't get out of their own way.

 

[dargonking999]

There was a lotta stuff going on at that time. Whole bunch of resentment toward sweetheart deals for sports teams. Meanwhile people in the proposed area were talking about holding out for large sums of money for their properties.

Miller had been voted in at a time when people thought Dallas politics were either corrupt, incompetent, or slaves to the interests of the wealthy. She was there to be "fair" and clean things up. The city council was complaining certain areas of town were being left behind while the rich got richer. Her "brand" and the self-interests of the council members, landowners and the developers created a very difficult climate to get a deal done. Everybody was looking out for themselves and not the bigger picture. It would have appeared like a reversal by Miller, but it would have been a big win for Dallas if she had exercised some vision and worked to make project happen.

Meanwhile, the folks in Arlington were enjoying the enhanced status they enjoyed as bigger player in the region after getting the Ballpark project. It looked like the deal was going to payoff early, and they came at the project with a "can-do" approach. Dallas probably would have been better venue for the Cowboys, and I think Jones would have preferred being there, but the folks in Dallas couldn't get out of their own way.

well i mean what could we have expected, the original Texas Stadium wasn't even in Dallas.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

There was a lotta stuff going on at that time. Whole bunch of resentment toward sweetheart deals for sports teams. Meanwhile people in the proposed area were talking about holding out for large sums of money for their properties.

Miller had been voted in at a time when people thought Dallas politics were either corrupt, incompetent, or slaves to the interests of the wealthy. She was there to be "fair" and clean things up. The city council was complaining certain areas of town were being left behind while the rich got richer. Her "brand" and the self-interests of the council members, landowners and the developers created a very difficult climate to get a deal done. Everybody was looking out for themselves and not the bigger picture. It would have appeared like a reversal by Miller, but it would have been a big win for Dallas if she had exercised some vision and worked to make project happen.

Meanwhile, the folks in Arlington were enjoying the enhanced status they enjoyed as bigger player in the region after getting the Ballpark project. It looked like the deal was going to payoff early, and they came at the project with a "can-do" approach. Dallas probably would have been better venue for the Cowboys, and I think Jones would have preferred being there, but the folks in Dallas couldn't get out of their own way.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[YosemiteSam]

...for saying NO to the downtown Dallas Cowboys Stadium idea?

I'm watching on ESPN2 a soldout crowd at the stadium for an Argentina/Mexico friendly. Where was her vision?

Dallas politics wasn't just her. That was deep rooted selfishness across the board.

 

[Zordon]

It was a very foolish decision at the time. She said she was concerned with traffic and displacing people from their homes in the area.

Jones wanted to build at Fair Park, where the State Fair is held. It's surrounded by VERY rough neighborhoods and high crime rates.

Dallas could have raked in a lot of money as well as revitalized an area that is in much need...

This.

Even the area where American Airlines center was built was pretty nasty--not a s bad as Fair park, but bad. Now all of uptown has filled in all the way to and past the AAC with hotels, hi-rise condos, restaurants, etc.
Fair Park and the surrounding area would have really gotten a jolt.

Oh well.
Meanwhile, we paid over a billion for the Trinity River project that was to have a sailing marina , a river lined with restaurants, condos, business, etc,etc...That money evaporated.

I hope that Trinity River project finishes before I die.

Wasn't there also a proposal to build off of 35 across from the AAC? Also wasn't there an idea to turn Reunion Arena into a casino? The area has improved but it could have been a mini-NYC by now with more vision from the Dallas City Council and the Mayor.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Haven't lived there in 10 years. When I was there, it was a divided city. May still be. There was a group of people (some of whom were on the city council) that seemed to think that if someone else was getting ahead, they were entitled to a piece of the money, or it was happening at their expense. To me, that's a recipe for failure. Its a loser's mentality. Unless that changes, I'm not optimistic that Dallas will achieve the type of success it could.

 

[Zordon]

There was a lotta stuff going on at that time. Whole bunch of resentment toward sweetheart deals for sports teams. Meanwhile people in the proposed area were talking about holding out for large sums of money for their properties.

Miller had been voted in at a time when people thought Dallas politics were either corrupt, incompetent, or slaves to the interests of the wealthy. She was there to be "fair" and clean things up. The city council was complaining certain areas of town were being left behind while the rich got richer. Her "brand" and the self-interests of the council members, landowners and the developers created a very difficult climate to get a deal done. Everybody was looking out for themselves and not the bigger picture. It would have appeared like a reversal by Miller, but it would have been a big win for Dallas if she had exercised some vision and worked to make project happen.

Meanwhile, the folks in Arlington were enjoying the enhanced status they enjoyed as bigger player in the region after getting the Ballpark project. It looked like the deal was going to payoff early, and they came at the project with a "can-do" approach. Dallas probably would have been better venue for the Cowboys, and I think Jones would have preferred being there, but the folks in Dallas couldn't get out of their own way.

Good info. The problem I have with the location is the fact that there is nothing around the stadium. When big events come into town like college football games, Super Bowl, All Star games...the biggest complaint is there is no centrally located place where the media and fans can hangout. Everybody seems to be split up btw Ft. Worth, Arlington, and Dallas. This wouldn't have been a problem if the stadium was built in downtown Dallas. A new skyscraper hasn't been built in Downtown Dallas in many years. With the stadium there would have been 10-15 new buildings downtown by now, including hotels and corporate offices. The current Mayor Rawlings has a real can-do personality. I hope the rumors are true that the Rangers might be looking to get a new ballpark with a roof b/c I know he'll fight to get it in downtown Dallas.

 

[joseephuss]

Good info. The problem I have with the location is the fact that there is nothing around the stadium. When big events come into town like college football games, Super Bowl, All Star games...the biggest complaint is there is no centrally located place where the media and fans can hangout. Everybody seems to be split up btw Ft. Worth, Arlington, and Dallas. This wouldn't have been a problem if the stadium was built in downtown Dallas. A new skyscraper hasn't been built in Downtown Dallas in many years. With the stadium there would have been 10-15 new buildings downtown by now, including hotels and corporate offices. The current Mayor Rawlings has a real can-do personality. I hope the rumors are true that the Rangers might be looking to get a new ballpark with a roof b/c I know he'll fight to get it in downtown Dallas.

Your post reminded me of a article I read earlier this year.

http://bizbeatblog.***BANNED-URL***...s-skyline-has-been-on-hold-for-30-years.html/

The competition for the top of Dallas’ skyline has been on hold for 30 years

Ken Field says that Dallas’ Bank of America Plaza is his favorite building.Fewer super-tall office buildings are under construction around the U.S.

• Dallas Grows Up: Notable buildings on the Dallas skyline

The Toronto businessman built the 72-story downtown skyscraper when he headed one of North America’s largest development firms.

“It’s the most beautiful building in Dallas and the most prominent,” said Field, who was CEO of Canada’s Bramalea Ltd.when the silver tower opened in 1985. “Here we are 30 years later, and it’s still the tallest building in Dallas.”

That would have been unheard of a few decades ago — that no skyscraper would have come along to replace Bank of America Plaza as Dallas’ tallest building.

 

[DFWJC]

Good info. The problem I have with the location is the fact that there is nothing around the stadium. When big events come into town like college football games, Super Bowl, All Star games...the biggest complaint is there is no centrally located place where the media and fans can hangout. Everybody seems to be split up btw Ft. Worth, Arlington, and Dallas. This wouldn't have been a problem if the stadium was built in downtown Dallas. A new skyscraper hasn't been built in Downtown Dallas in many years. With the stadium there would have been 10-15 new buildings downtown by now, including hotels and corporate offices. The current Mayor Rawlings has a real can-do personality. I hope the rumors are true that the Rangers might be looking to get a new ballpark with a roof b/c I know he'll fight to get it in downtown Dallas.

They could higher I guess.
But the Dallas skyline is really nice.
And now the Arts District has bridged uptown to downtown.
If only downtown could have filled in toward Fair Park....oh well.

 

[Longboysfan]

It was a very foolish decision at the time. She said she was concerned with traffic and displacing people from their homes in the area.

Jones wanted to build at Fair Park, where the State Fair is held. It's surrounded by VERY rough neighborhoods and high crime rates.

Dallas could have raked in a lot of money as well as revitalized an area that is in much need...

They would have built on the Cotton Bowl footprint.
But think about it. State Fair lost for at least a year or scaled back to half of what it is.
Then where would the parking lots be????
Across the Rail road tracks next to the upscale homes in the area.

No. It's in a better place where it is now.