Looking for the moxie

[Concord]

Drink Some of This...

 

[burmafrd]

Henson STANK it up against the Bears- he was HORRENDOUS. Even the announcers were predicting that BP would pull him at half. He did OK in NFLE but even accounting for lousy WR's he DID not look like a world beater. NOT EVEN CLOSE. So I have NOT SEEN MUCH that would justify the man love so many have for Henson. BP has done a pretty good job with QB's that were not all that great. I mean he got an ALL PRO YEAR out of VT in 1998 for gods sake. If that is not working miracles I don't know what is.

 

[dbair1967]

that was the worst season I've ever witnessed

you must have skipped the Dave Campo era then

David

 

[StarWiz2]

Look, there's always going to be opinions on what QB is better or has more potential. There were still posters that thought Vinnie was the shiznet after the Pittsburgh game. By the end of the season, they joined the mob and threw Vinnie to the Outhouse. This is all good and normal.

That's not a problem for me. The problem for me is premature speculation by bored reporters at TC's and Mini C's, Bill's obvious bias towards Henson that a baby could pick up on, and Romo's being crowned King before he's played a full game in the regular season.

Add into that Parcells dubious history with evaluating QB's, and I'm going to question the role that Henson has been relegated too thus far.

One thing I do know: If that had been Bledsoe playing for the Rhein Fire, as bad a team as I've ever seen, he'd have been on his butt 99% of the time.

So if Stats are the only thing that impress people, then by all means go drink some of that warm milk with all the Super Bowl wannebe winning QB's with gaudy stats.

They don't number very many.

If that had been Romo in Europe instead of Henson leading a very bad team to a winning record, what do you think Parcells response would've been then?

"Yeah, I thought he did pretty good!"

 

[InmanRoshi]

Last year Romo split snaps with Henson 50/50 in open competition and won by unanimous decision. This year Bill says he hopes to get Romo more snaps in training camp and hopefully he can show that he can put him in games if need be. Sounds like natural progression to me, and certainly doesn't sound like he's been "handed the crown" or coddled. As an undrafted free agent from a Division II school, you're geneerally not handed anything in your career. Some of you Hensonites sound like Jan Brady. "Its always about Romo! Romo, Romo, Romo!" If anything, Henson fits the profile of a Parcells favorite ... a prospect who played for a major program in a major conference who was coached by one of his good buddies.

I'm not sure what it is about Drew Henson that makes otherwise intelligent posters completely lose their marbles, like when they suggest that beatwriters for a major national publication have knowingly put their careers in jeopardy by fabricating Romo trade rumors, but hopefully when Henson is gone they'll give up on the stories of the black unmarked helicopters piloted by the smoking man at Area 51 and come back to Planet Earth with the rest of us.

 

[Jarv]

Last year Romo split snaps with Henson 50/50 in open competition and won by unanimous decision. This year Bill says he hopes to get Romo more snaps in training camp and hopefully he can show that he can put him in games if need be. Sounds like natural progression to me, and certainly doesn't sound like he's been "handed the crown" or coddled. As an undrafted free agent from a Division II school, you're geneerally not handed anything in your career. Some of you Hensonites sound like Jan Brady. "Its always about Romo! Romo, Romo, Romo!"

I'm not sure what it is about Drew Henson that makes otherwise intelligent posters completely lose their marbles, like when they suggest that beatwriters for a major national publication have knowingly put their careers in jeopardy by fabricating Romo trade rumors, but hopefully when Henson is gone they'll give up on the stories of the black unmarked helicopters piloted by the smoking man at Area 51 and come back to Planet Earth with the rest of us.

Henson won out in TC in 2004, Romo in 2005. That puts them even in my book.

Henson had a good NFLE campaign. BP said he saw improvement, not as much as he wanted...Skyler is fat, Flo is outta shape and rusty, Justin can lose a few pounds, we'll see about Johnson's new bulk...Bla bla bla.

So when BP says Henson didn't show "as much" as he wanted...Now the world is saying he's gonna be cut and thats it for him.

Guess we'll be cutting Flo, Justin, Green, johnson to then.

Some folks make me laugh.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Some folks make me laugh.

Ditto.

No one is saying Henson is going to be cut immediately. Parcells said he's got another camp to prove himself. But its becoming apparent that he's losing traction in the organization as time goes on instead of gaining it, which would be the exact opposite of how natural progression should go for someone who was in fact "the next Elway".

 

[rcaldw]

Ditto.

No one is saying Henson is going to be cut immediately. Parcells said he's got another camp to prove himself. But its becoming apparent that he's losing traction in the organization as time goes on instead of gaining it, which would be the exact opposite of how natural progression should go for someone who was in fact "the next Elway".

Boy Roshi, you don't have any bias either do you? You can't even think in Henson's direction without throwing in an Elway slap, or a "major program" slap.

Anyway, I agree with you on one thing. I believe that this subject causes people to lose their intelligence, I just don't agree with you about which direction it runs in sometimes.

 

[Jarv]

Ditto.

No one is saying Henson is going to be cut immediately. Parcells said he's got another camp to prove himself. But its becoming apparent that he's losing traction in the organization as time goes on instead of gaining it, which would be the exact opposite of how natural progression should go for someone who was in fact "the next Elway".

How is it "apparent that he's losing traction in the organization as time goes on instead of gaining it" when BP said he has improved ? He didn't say he regressed he said he improved ?

So.....

 

[Alexander]

Totally agree and I don't see how anyone can deny it. Why else would there be so many players and coaches with Italian and Northeast backgrounds on the team?

As far as the QBs go, Parcells has said a million times that he likes it when players and coaches come up "the hard way". I bet he hated the whole "Michigan Golden Child" thing Henson had going on for years.

I think the facts that Parcells was instrumental in Henson's acquisition gets lost among the conspiracy theories and agendas people have against Coach Parcells. It is a fact he was involved and on board and went so far as to get an endorsement from Lloyd Carr. But I guess his "silence" was deafening there too.

But it makes for a nice imaginary story if you have an axe to grind.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Boy Roshi, you don't have any bias either do you? You can't even think in Henson's direction without throwing in an Elway slap, or a "major program" slap.

I'm indifferent about Henson, just like I'm indifferent about Tom Crowder or Tony Curtis, its Henson's blind supporters that annoy me and several others. When 99% of your posts on a team's messageboard have to do with the trials and tribulations of the 3rd string QB and nothing else, you officially have a problem.

For some people this team is the Dallas Hensons.

 

[Alexander]

I'm indifferent about Henson, its Henson's blind supporters that annoy me. When 99% of your posts on a team's messageboard have to do with the trials and tribulations of the 3rd string QB, you officially have a problem. For some people this team is the Dallas Hensons.

Or the Dallas Romos.

These are BACKUPS, everyone.

 

[cobra]

I'm for a FUTURE at QB.

Well, pretty soon we are bound to get a long term, franchise-type quarterback in the draft by mere elimination.

Over the last several years, so many teams have drafted their quarterback of the future or discovered one that there aren't too many left still looking.

These teams will not be drafting a quarterback in the next 3 years unless something goes wrong:

Cardinals (Leinart)
Titans (Young)
Broncos (Cutler)
Bengals (Palmer)
Steelers (Roth)
Colts (Manning)
Patriots (Brady)
Falcons (Vick/Schaub)
Dolphins (Culpepper)
Panthers (Delhomme)
Packers (Rodgers/Martin)
Jags (Leftwich/Garrad/Gray)
Chiefs (Green/Coyle)
Texans (Carr)
Saints (Brees)
Giants (Manning)
Eagles (McNabb)
Chargers (Rivers/Whitehurst)
Seahawks (Hasslebeck)
49ers (Smith)

These teams probably won't be drafting a highly rated quarterback in the next two years unless something happens:

Rams (Bulger)
Buccaneers (Sims)
Commanders (Campbell)
Browns (Frye)
Lions (Kitna/McCown/Orvlosky)
Bills (Holcomb/Losman)
Jets (Pennington, Ramsey)

These teams may/should be looking quarterback soon:

Bears (Grossman, Orton)
Vikings (Spares)
Raiders (Brooks, Tui)
Ravens (Boller) [unless they do in fact get McNair, and then I would move them up into the previous category]

As such, on the theory that there are usually three highly rated quarterbacks in a draft each year, we should be in a position to snag one of the top 3 prospects in the next year or two regardless of the draft order.

Granted, this is un-scientific as hell.

But as a general rule, we have to be getting to the point where most teams have someone in place for their future.

 

[rcaldw]

I'm indifferent about Henson, just like I'm indifferent about Tom Crowder or Tony Curtis, its Henson's blind supporters that annoy me and several others. When 99% of your posts on a team's messageboard have to do with the trials and tribulations of the 3rd string QB and nothing else, you officially have a problem.

For some people this team is the Dallas Hensons.

On the surface it sure doesn't seem you are indifferent. But I understand that completely, because I've been annoyed by the Romo support that borders on mania for some, without any factual basis except he was #2 on the depth chart last year.

In terms of the amount of discussion concerning the two I think it is pretty easy to understand.

1. Qb discussion has always been king in Dallas. Hogeboom vs. White; Staubach vs. Morton; Aikman vs. Walsh; etc.

2. You have a pretty compelling story line here, backups or not. A guy comes out of Michigan who was considered at one point to be a 1st round draft pick in the future, vs. an undrafted free agent from a small school. One guy is signed to a long term deal, the other has a contract coming up soon. The head coach seems to prefer the undrafted free agent to the guy that a lot of fans had hoped would be our next franchise QB. Don't you think that will generate discussion?

3. Most people haven't attached to Bledsoe like a QB who would have been home grown here. I know some people worship Bledsoe (Bledstudsoe), and I hope we ALL ROOT FOR HIM (we should), but many of us look forward to the day that we have a long term guy in place who has only been a Dallas Cowboy or at least is known for being a Dallas Cowboy.

4. Jerry Jones has talked about Henson one way while Parcells has talked about him another way. Anything that even HINTS at owner versus coach in Dallas will be a topic for major discussion.

And I'm sure there are some other reasons as well. I agree with Alexander that they are JUST BACKUPS, but discussing the situation is still enjoyable, so why not discuss it?

 

[rcaldw]

Well, pretty soon we are bound to get a long term, franchise-type quarterback in the draft by mere elimination.

Over the last several years, so many teams have drafted their quarterback of the future or discovered one that there aren't too many left still looking.

These teams will not be drafting a quarterback in the next 3 years unless something goes wrong:

Cardinals (Leinart)
Titans (Young)
Broncos (Cutler)
Bengals (Palmer)
Steelers (Roth)
Colts (Manning)
Patriots (Brady)
Falcons (Vick/Schaub)
Dolphins (Culpepper)
Panthers (Delhomme)
Packers (Rodgers/Martin)
Jags (Leftwich/Garrad/Gray)
Chiefs (Green/Coyle)
Texans (Carr)
Saints (Brees)
Giants (Manning)
Eagles (McNabb)
Chargers (Rivers/Whitehurst)
Seahawks (Hasslebeck)
49ers (Smith)

These teams probably won't be drafting a highly rated quarterback in the next two years unless something happens:

Rams (Bulger)
Buccaneers (Sims)
Commanders (Campbell)
Browns (Frye)
Lions (Kitna/McCown/Orvlosky)
Bills (Holcomb/Losman)
Jets (Pennington, Ramsey)

These teams may/should be looking quarterback soon:

Bears (Grossman, Orton)
Vikings (Spares)
Raiders (Brooks, Tui)
Ravens (Boller) [unless they do in fact get McNair, and then I would move them up into the previous category]

As such, on the theory that there are usually three highly rated quarterbacks in a draft each year, we should be in a position to snag one of the top 3 prospects in the next year or two regardless of the draft order.

Granted, this is un-scientific as hell.

But as a general rule, we have to be getting to the point where most teams have someone in place for their future.

Great point! Personally, I wish we could get Brady Quinn. I like that kid a lot.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think, Wile, that Lab meant he ONLY likes Italians and people from the northeast. I think he was just saying that Parcells has an obvious affinity for people who are in his own image.

LOL... Thanks, rcaldw... Of course that's what I was saying.

And before any other people put any more words in my mouth, let me make my position clear. I don't hate Parcells for any reason. He's one of the better coaches ever and I'm very glad he's our coach. I love his simple style of smashmouth football, his emphasis on defense, and his old school emphasis on basics like conditioning. It's my favorite kind of football even though many consider it boring.

However, I also don't think he's immune from criticism and discussion. And I've learned that he has some quirks that I didn't realize he had -- his love for players that he sees as somehow similar to him being one of those. I wouldn't expect that out of one of the best coaches of all time, but there it is. It's just my observation and it doesn't mean I have an "agenda" against the guy.

And as for our backup QBs: I don't particularly care about Henson or Romo. Until our trade talks heated up, I didn't know Drew Henson from Drew Carey. I liked the scouting reports I'd read about him, but I certainly had no bias toward him. And I still don't. In fact, I now think Henson is going to be out of football soon and Romo is *probably* the better prospect at this point. I just think -- as many others have suggested -- that it's very possible that Henson was "Jerry's Guy" much like Peerless Price and Eddie George were, and we know what happened to them. Now it's possible that Henson just isn't a player and never would have been under any circumstances, but like rcaldw, I wonder if Henson would be a different player at this point if he'd gone to a team with a coach who was truly devoted to his development. In my opinion, it's clear that Parcells makes gut decisions on players for strange reasons sometimes, and -- again IMO -- he decided he didn't like Henson quite a while ago and now doesn't particularly care about him.

That is all I'm saying, and it's not some outrageous claim. But I'm sure I'll still get people claiming that I'm a Henson lover or that I "hate" Parcells.

 

[acheman]

Well in rcalw's defense "I" just don't see "IT" in Drew Bledsoe myself, but apparently Big Bill does.

 

[wileedog]

I wonder if Henson would be a different player at this point if he'd gone to a team with a coach who was truly devoted to his development. In my opinion, it's clear that Parcells makes gut decisions on players for strange reasons sometimes, and -- again IMO -- he decided he didn't like Henson quite a while ago and now doesn't particularly care about him.

That is all I'm saying, and it's not some outrageous claim. But I'm sure I'll still get people claiming that I'm a Henson lover or that I "hate" Parcells.

The only problem I have is a I keep hearing this stuff over and over with Bryant, Ross, Rashard Lee, Carter,etc, etc, etc. Bill is biased. Bill makes personnel decisions based on personality. Bill has "his guys" and no one else can play. Blah blah blah.

Nobody wants to face the fact that maybe Henson just isn't all that good. Just like Bryant, Ross, Lee, Carter etc.

Henson will either step it up this TC or he won't. but if he doesn't eventually just like those other guys he's going to run out of excuses. And if he fails here I'd be willing to bet he's not going to magically succeed someplace else because there is "someone there more devoted to him."

The agenda argument has failed every single time with every move Bill has made. I doubt this time will be any different if Henson doesn't cut it.