Looking like we'll be facing Brady after all

[burmafrd]

How were all the Indy balls in compliance? the rule is 12.5 to 13.5, theirs were 12.30, 12.35, 12.95, 12.15, so 75% of the Colts balls were out of compliance.

The NFL said they ran out of time, and maybe they did, but now that it's clear how sneaky and scummy they are, maybe they just stopped because those measurements were ruining their sting operation. Nobody can claim that's beneath them.

the only sneaky and scummy around here are the patsies and their fans

 

[Kevinicus]

No it would've been 15 between the first NE balls measured and the first Indy balls. It was a 20 min halftime, they started with the NE balls right away and they ran out of time after 4 Colts balls. 15 min at a 25 degree difference would affect pressure when you're talking about tenths of a psi.

I agree with you about the anomalies with the different gauges and balls. Further proof it wasn't a good test, these amateurs had no idea how to run a controlled experiment, it was rushed, this had never been done before, and they had a preconceived guilt in mind. What could go wrong?

They were not in the locker room for 15 minutes. It takes more than 5 minutes to gather the balls, walk to and from the locker room and get ready for the 2nd half. It was likely around 7 minutes. And I believe the Wells report even addresses this issue.

I'm going to guess the guage numbers on the Colts balls were transcription errors (though unlike bkight's explanation, I would guess it was 1, 2, and 4 that were backwards. That would be consistent with the Patriot measurements). You're claiming that the officials had a preconceived guilt when they went into the locker room at halftime? There is no way to do a controlled experiment in the middle of a live game. They had to measure those exact balls, at that exact time. They didn't have a way to freeze the pressure levels so that the balls could be tested later in ideal conditions. I'm actually pretty impressed that they managed to organize things as well as they did in the rushed circumstances they were under.

 

[Kevinicus]

I invite you to do the calculations yourself: P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2). Please tell us all how much they should have deflated.

You realize this equation is not anywhere close to being enough to determine that right? Where is your time variable?

 

[Rogah]

You realize this equation is not anywhere close to being enough to determine that right? Where is your time variable?

If you know of a better equation, then please feel free to present it here. Meanwhile, I invite you to use the Ideal Gas Law equation I have given to tell us all just how much air pressure a ball should lose when it goes from a 72 degree room to a 48 degree environment.

P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2) In not just physics, it's the law.

 

[Kevinicus]

If you know of a better equation, then please feel free to present it here. Meanwhile, I invite you to use the Ideal Gas Law equation I have given to tell us all just how much air pressure a ball should lose when it goes from a 72 degree room to a 48 degree environment.

P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2) In not just physics, it's the law.

If you don't factor time, then there would be no expected pressure change since they were tested in the same room with the same temperature.

 

[Rogah]

If you don't factor time, then there would be no expected pressure change since they were tested in the same room with the same temperature.

Except heat transfer takes time. That is, if you bring a 48 degree ball into a 72 degree room, the ball doesn't instantaneously rise to 72 degrees.

Furthermore, the balls were wet. There is the law of evaporational cooling. Bring a ball which is 48 degrees and wet into a 72 degree room, and the evaporation will contribute to the ball staying cooled. That's why we sweat. When the sweat evaporates, it cools the body down.

 

[Kevinicus]

Except heat transfer takes time. That is, if you bring a 48 degree ball into a 72 degree room, the ball doesn't instantaneously rise to 72 degrees.

That was my entire point!

But if you just use your equation. 12.5 @ 70 degrees going into 50 degree teamperatures, you'd expect a PSI of about 12.03.

 

[JoeKing]

So the Brady suspension has now been vacated by a federal judge... the commish loses again. Fire him now.

 

[Rogah]

That was my entire point!

But if you just use your equation. 12.5 @ 70 degrees going into 50 degree teamperatures, you'd expect a PSI of about 12.03.

No, the correct answer is 11.47.

You made the most common mistake people made back in January. Props for knowing you were supposed to use Kelvin, but you used relative air pressure when you should have used absolute air pressure. In other words, when you measure a football at 12.5 PSI, that means the balls is 12.5 PSI above atmospheric, therefore the absolute pressure is 27.2.

 

[DFWJC]

FWIW, here's Cleveland Al pro LT, Joe Thomas' take on this thing:

"I would equate what {Tom Brady} did to driving 66 [mph] in a 65 speed zone, and getting the death penalty," Thomas said Sunday after the Cleveland Browns' training camp practice


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...d-browns-backs-tom-brady-rips-nfl-witch-hunts

 

[erod]

Look, Brady did it. He was behind it. He'd been doing it for years.

OJ did it, too.

Everybody with a brain and an ounce of integrity knows it.

But whatever. Let's just play football. I'm so tired of hearing about all this.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Bring him on. We'll add about 3 lbs of pressure to all the balls before the game and he won't even be able to hit the hole in the roof.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Well.... Which way do you think it will go for Pats?

19-0

Or

Karma, and Brady gets taken out!

 

[Nightman]

The reasoning was ridiculous.

The league didn't tell Brady he could be suspended for cheating..........oy vey

Of well, this should help Hardy