Losing in pre season

[FVSTONE]

If Dallas had lost as bad as San Francisco did ,everyone would be saying Dallas-stinks 7-10 seasons here it comes!

The difference between these two teams in everyone knows who the 9ers are, but with the Cowboys and with no real solid backups on the O-line or a big bad run stopper in the middle of the D-line, YES questions about this club exist at a fever pitch.

 

[rambo2]

The one person who needs the work more than anyone else on the team probably won't play a single snap until opening week. What a joke...

Actually, might be a smart move.

 

[rambo2]

I think Dak has been ruled out of preseason. I'm not sure if Pollard gets to play either coming back from injury.

No need to play Pollard in preseason. Remember last year that they lost a back because of Pete Carrol calling an unnecessary timeout in preseason.

 

[Shane612]

Does anyone know if the starters will play this preseason?

IMO, starters need to play half a game...at least... especially Dak.

 

[Carson]

The difference between these two teams in everyone knows who the 9ers are, but with the Cowboys and with no real solid backups on the O-line or a big bad run stopper in the middle of the D-line, YES questions about this club exist at a fever pitch.

I feel like Dallas a whole has a deeper team than SF.

Niners have Bosa. Who else rushes?
Niners have Williams. Rest of the OL is meh.
Warner and Hufanga on the back 7. But the rest are just guys.

Dallas has bad depth at OL. SF‘a big 3-4 are probably better than Dallas. But in the grand scheme I would take Dallas over SF.

 

[Bobhaze]

Dak did not play a down in the in the 2021 preseason and had not played a Reg season down since Oct of 2020. In his first game back in the 2021 season opener against defending champion Tampa Bay, he threw for over 400 yds, 3 TDs in a game they lost 31-29- where Greg the Leg Zuerleine missed a chip shot FG and an extra point.

Some coaches value playing their QBs a little in ps. Most don’t. IMO playing a few snaps in a meaningless ps game against an opponents vanilla defense (starters or not) would prove nothing. People talk about working on “timing” but one series or even a qtr in a ps game will do little to help that. The risk-reward ratio is tilted far toward unnecessary risk.

Yes, sometimes QBs are rusty to start the regular season. Folks it’s a very long season. It’s August.

 

[Cowboys5217]

I see the usual beating up of straw men going on as is the case for those that want to talk down to other people.

Some people do over react, but that then is used to smear anyone bringing up legit concerns or even harmless criticism as "idiots".

When you have this overwhelming desire to label others as idiots because they disagree with you, or maybe pointed out a deficiency in your pet cat then you have a serious issue with sweating the small stuff.

Pointing out that a player did not perform up to what they should have in a preseason game is not that person predicting 0-17 for the season unless you need to make it about that to then point fingers and stroke your own narcissistic tendencies.

"Hey! That guy over there expressed a negative opinion! I'm better than that idiot!" is an expression of your own problems being projected out into the world.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Week 1 is preseason for the starters for every team in the league.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No need to play Pollard in preseason. Remember last year that they lost a back because of Pete Carrol calling an unnecessary timeout in preseason.

I agree with not playing Pollard. Typically I like all starters to play at least a couple series to get prepared for the season.

Tom Brady played in almost every preseason that I can recall and did it for years. If the most winningest QB in the history of the NFL can play in preseason so can players that haven't won crap..... Unless they are coming back from injury or just finished rehabbing

 

[rambo2]

I agree with not playing Pollard. Typically I like all starters to play at least a couple series to get prepared for the season.

Tom Brady played in almost every preseason that I can recall and did it for years. If the most winningest QB in the history of the NFL can play in preseason so can players that haven't won crap..... Unless they are coming back from injury or just finished rehabbing

Tony Romo played in preseason and it ended his career.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I have been watching this team since 1960. I have been on this website talking about this team since it began. Even the one which predicated it, and the message board related to a newspaper before then. So I have seen a great number of pre-seasons and read posts about their meaning for decades.

Every year people suggest the pre-season doesn't matter. And to a degree that is true. But it seems to me that every time fans settle into this, "doesn't matter," phase, the team goes out and proves pre-season does make a difference. They fall flat out of the gates. Saving your best players for the regular season ends up being a mistake.

Maybe this year will be different. And there is more pre-season left. Yet expecting the team to just turn it on hasn't produced a great deal of positive results in my mind.

 

[VaqueroTD]

youre late

go check the game day thread we lost by 5 and people were making those points you said

it was a full blown cowboyszone meltdown

3rd string meltdown

 

[rambo2]

I have been watching this team since 1960. I have been on this website talking about this team since it began. Even the one which predicated it, and the message board related to a newspaper before then. So I have seen a great number of pre-seasons and read posts about their meaning for decades.

Every year people suggest the pre-season doesn't matter. And to a degree that is true. But it seems to me that every time fans settle into this, "doesn't matter," phase, the team goes out and proves pre-season does make a difference. They fall flat out of the gates. Saving your best players for the regular season ends up being a mistake.

Maybe this year will be different. And there is more pre-season left. Yet expecting the team to just turn it on hasn't produced a great deal of positive results in my mind.

The 1st practice game was a success. They saw what they need to see and what they saw is exciting.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The 1st practice game was a success. They saw what they need to see and what they saw is exciting.

Perspective, rambo2. Perspective. You say tomato and I say Cobb salad.

 

[rambo2]

Perspective, rambo2. Perspective. You say tomato and I say Cobb salad.

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[EPL0c0]

pre-season isn't about winning and losing on the scoreboard.

I look at it like combine drills. I'm looking to see how OL move and pick up their man. I'm looking at route running, hands. Can RBs find holes, show burst. Can DL push OL back. Can LBs hold their space. Can CBs keep up and disrupt?

You're lookiing for basics for each position. That's it.

It's fun to see them score or get sacks, INTs, etc. But it's still just live drills vs guys in different uniforms

 

[plasticman]

I didn't have any specific player(s) in mind. The starters. They're going to have to get to game speed before week 1, right?

I remember when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl in 1971. I was 15.

It wasn't just the excitement of the first championship for me. It was also the very bright future of this team after going undefeated once Landry decided that Staubach was the starter.

A week after the Super Bowl I wanted the season to start immediately. It was the longest year of my life. Back then, of course, there was no internet and Cowboys news was practically non-existent. With the exception of the draft, all I had was the Dallas Cowboys Weekly that circulated once a month during the offseason.

Finally, training camp and the preseason began. I was super excited.

I was at the coast fishing with my dad and listening to a preseason game on the radio. They were playing the Rams when Staubach attempted to run the ball in for a TD. He was hit by LB Marlin McKeever (I'll never forget his name) and separated his shoulder to the degree that he was out for the entire regular season. I was devastated.

Staubach didn't come back until his miracle come from behind game against the 49ers in the divisional playoff round. He showed some rust the following week in the NFC championship game against the R_____ns, of all teams. The Cowboys lost. The R_____ns claimed they had hoped Landry would start Staubach. They had waited a long time to start talking smack and they were not benevolent winners.

I suppose I could use the example of Romo in 2016. I mean, what if Dak had not been such a fortuitous find?

I am a firm believer that, if a player is absolutely vital to a team's success....if you cannot be a true contender without him....don't put him in a meaningless, "doesn't count for nothing", preseason game.

 

[pugilist]

Jax backups played slightly better than Dallas backups. That’s all the Win / Loss column can tell you in preseason.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Tony Romo played in preseason and it ended his career.

He had an injury issue and decided to run on the LOB, instead of throwing it away.....

 

[Flamma]

I remember when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl in 1971. I was 15.

It wasn't just the excitement of the first championship for me. It was also the very bright future of this team after going undefeated once Landry decided that Staubach was the starter.

A week after the Super Bowl I wanted the season to start immediately. It was the longest year of my life. Back then, of course, there was no internet and Cowboys news was practically non-existent. With the exception of the draft, all I had was the Dallas Cowboys Weekly that circulated once a month during the offseason.

Finally, training camp and the preseason began. I was super excited.

I was at the coast fishing with my dad and listening to a preseason game on the radio. They were playing the Rams when Staubach attempted to run the ball in for a TD. He was hit by LB Marlin McKeever (I'll never forget his name) and separated his shoulder to the degree that he was out for the entire regular season. I was devastated.

Staubach didn't come back until his miracle come from behind game against the 49ers in the divisional playoff round. He showed some rust the following week in the NFC championship game against the R_____ns, of all teams. The Cowboys lost. The R_____ns claimed they had hoped Landry would start Staubach. They had waited a long time to start talking smack and they were not benevolent winners.

I suppose I could use the example of Romo in 2016. I mean, what if Dak had not been such a fortuitous find?

I am a firm believer that, if a player is absolutely vital to a team's success....if you cannot be a true contender without him....don't put him in a meaningless, "doesn't count for nothing", preseason game.

For quarterbacks, you have to play smart. If you're the starter, there is no reason you should be taking hard hits. Just get the ball out. It makes sense in theory, right? There's one thing I worry about for players not up to speed. Trying to get up to speed in week 1 can get you injured. That's the one thing I worry about.

Speaking of 1971, you brought back a memory. But from the early 80s when I was a little kid. There was no news on football then either. Hell, I didn't even know who the Cowboys were playing the following week.