lovie smith can do it, payton can... why can't parcells?

[iceberg]

How can it not be fair to expect Lovie or Peyton sucess.

They were 9-7 and 8-4 when you say that the coaches just layed down on the job.

So in your book, there should be no reason why a good coach can't take this team to 12-4 or 13-3.

I mean that is what you are saying, BP sucks and we were still 9-7 so hey, a good coach should be able to take us the distance, right?

i'm not gonna get into this type of bitter bickering where 1 event is twisted around to prove something on a point that's now meaningless with parcells gone.

i'm not gonna do some victory dance around the track and rub it in - and to some i may have already done that just by being happy. there's a lot of resaons "together" i didn't want parcells here coaching this team. given that i'm not gonna fend 'em off 1 at a time while put into different sitautions designed to prove *your* point.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

yet you support a coach who was great *more* than a decade ago and was living off that rep today?

maybe i am crazy. never would deny that, no. but while i understand your angst and aprehension for the immediate future, i feel like we're finally on our way.

like i said in detox when vinnie started those last 4 games and even before then - the best we'd get out of the parcells experiement is proof that jones can and will hire a solid coach and let him coach.

however, i was wrong. we also likely found our qb of the future.

other htan that i said he'd never get there and never win a playoff game, so i viewed his tenure as wasted time. while we have made progress, it wasn't as drastic as maybe we hoped or maybe he'd have wanted to finish the job.

all we got now are maybes but i view the wasted time over and yea, am nervous Jones will make the wrong call like us all

just for different reasons.

but in any event, it was time to move on, so i'm glad we did.

No, I support a coach who was getting talent on the roster again. A coach who had us pointed in the right direction after season upon season of owner driven blunders.
I never once looked back to Parcells days of glory with his former teams. No reason to. I never expected him to bring the Cowboys from the bowls of the NFL to the top in three or four years. That is being unrealistic considering the talent he was handed. I see some major steps backward. I see a bunch of happy fans today who will make excuses for the next few years. Even blame Parcells two or three seasons from now. (not you but you know what I'm talking about)
I fully expect to step backward for one season. I just think Jones will screw up what Parcells started, that will set us back another ten or so.

 

[aikemirv]

i'm not gonna get into this type of bitter bickering where 1 event is twisted around to prove something on a point that's now meaningless with parcells gone.

i'm not gonna do some victory dance around the track and rub it in - and to some i may have already done that just by being happy. there's a lot of resaons "together" i didn't want parcells here coaching this team. given that i'm not gonna fend 'em off 1 at a time while put into different sitautions designed to prove *your* point.

I am not bitter, but you have spread crap around this board for a week at least about how BP should be gone and is terrible and did a terrible job.

So now, I want your choices as a head coach to replace him because you got what you wanted.

So give me your choices of who can do a better job because you should be held to you weeklong proclamation of how BP needed to go and "why can't BP do it" thread.

If BP is so bad then your choice of replacement should easily be able to come in here and produce a 12-4 to 13-3 season!!!

 

[iceberg]

No, I support a coach who was getting talent on the roster again. A coach who had us pointed in the right direction after season upon season of owner driven blunders.
I never once looked back to Parcells days of glory with his former teams. No reason to. I never expected him to bring the Cowboys from the bowls of the NFL to the top in three or four years. That is being unrealistic considering the talent he was handed. I see some major steps backward. I see a bunch of happy fans today who will make excuses for the next few years. Even blame Parcells two or three seasons from now. (not you but you know what I'm talking about)
I fully expect to step backward for one season. I just think Jones will screw up what Parcells started, that will set us back another ten or so.

you may well be right, nc. i think parcells has set a good foundation but i don't think he put anything on it. (house analogy) if hte next guy comes along and tweaks the engine (using an older analogy from a few days ago) i think we can tune this puppy up to a nice race car.

to me keeping a lame duck coach who seemed to be quitting in december would have set us back anyway and then the year after that would even be worse, so i think we're in a position to take a step forward, but no, no lock we will.

with or without parcells.

 

[iceberg]

I am not bitter, but you have spread crap around this board for a week at least about how BP should be gone and is terrible and did a terrible job.

So now, I want your choices as a head coach to replace him because you got what you wanted.

So give me your choices of who can do a better job because you should be held to you weeklong proclamation of how BP needed to go and "why can't BP do it" thread.

If BP is so bad then your choice of replacement should easily be able to come in here and produce a 12-4 to 13-3 season!!!

oh yea, taking what is said and going to extremeville with it and handing it back to me.

i'll pass on this game too. but if you really look around, i'm participating in the next coach threads and have shouted REX RYAN more than once.

 

[zrinkill]

I am not bitter, but you have spread crap around this board for a week at least about how BP should be gone and is terrible and did a terrible job.
So now, I want your choices as a head coach to replace him because you got what you wanted.

Ice has been saying rex Ryan for awhile now .....

and that sounds pretty good to me.

 

[aikemirv]

oh yea, taking what is said and going to extremeville with it and handing it back to me.

i'll pass on this game too. but if you really look around, i'm participating in the next coach threads and have shouted REX RYAN more than once.

I think extremeville would be your negative posting about BP for the last couple of weeks. Now, that is extreme.

But that is OK. You wanted BP gone and you got your wish. I just wanted to know what your next wish was because Jerry might not give you that one (Rex) and it could very well be worse than what we had.

But I am happy for you. I hope the Jennie gives you wish 2 and 3 also.

I am OK with Rex Ryan, and I would guess #3 would be a Superbowl, but I doubt Jerry is going to give you #2

 

[iceberg]

I think extremeville would be your negative posting about BP for the last couple of weeks. Now, that is extreme.

But that is OK. You wanted BP gone and you got your wish. I just wanted to know what your next wish was because Jerry might not give you that one (Rex) and it could very well be worse than what we had.

But I am happy for you. I hope the Jennie gives you wish 2 and 3 also.

I am OK with Rex Ryan, and I would guess #3 would be a Superbowl, but I doubt Jerry is going to give you #2

and i've said several times yes, it could be worse. but i don't view .504 as a lot to lose when winning it all is your only real goal.

have i been extreme? sure. passionate people are. if you're used to watching BP for your blueprint to passion then i guess you can say i've gone way overboard.

 

[Bleu Star]

so why can't you do it parcells, and what makes you think you can if you get 1 more year?

Rest easy. The storm has blown over. The winds are now calm.

 

[iceberg]

Rest easy. The storm has blown over. The winds are now calm.

yea, but like other say - we could well be in the eye of a hurricane now, not out of harms way. : )

while i agree with that, i feel it was time to move on regardless of the risk and regardless of this being a "bad year" for coaches.

i'm sure it is - but there's always something to focus on.

 

[5Stars]

yea, but like other say - we could well be in the eye of a hurricane now, not out of harms way. : )

while i agree with that, i feel it was time to move on regardless of the risk and regardless of this being a "bad year" for coaches.

i'm sure it is - but there's always something to focus on.

It will be VERY INTERESTING to see what your reaction will be when the next coach gets hired...Very interesting, indeed!

Stay tuned as "The Iceberg Melts"...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

and i've said several times yes, it could be worse. but i don't view .504 as a lot to lose when winning it all is your only real goal.

have i been extreme? sure. passionate people are. if you're used to watching BP for your blueprint to passion then i guess you can say i've gone way overboard.

Parcells didn't get the imediate results some thought he would. Why any one thought he would is beyond me. There was way to much to fix.

 

[iceberg]

Parcells didn't get the imediate results some thought he would. Why any one thought he would is beyond me. There was way to much to fix.

i don't begrudge that - i just feel his december fade was a good reason the team did december fades.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

i don't begrudge that - i just feel his december fade was a good reason the team did december fades.

For some reason this team faded before Parcells, not only in December.
We can look foreword to more of those fades.

 

[iceberg]

For some reason this team faded before Parcells, not only in December.
We can look foreword to more of those fades.

maybe.

maybe not.

you talk like parcells was our only hope and the franchise can give it up now. i did that 3 years ago saying we'd not get anywhere w/parcells, so maybe you'll be right now in that we revert.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

maybe.

maybe not.

you talk like parcells was our only hope and the franchise can give it up now. i did that 3 years ago saying we'd not get anywhere w/parcells, so maybe you'll be right now in that we revert.

Can you think of one coach that will keep Jones at bay like Parcells was able to do? I can't. I think Jones is one person who couldn't admit that he screwed this franchise up. Sure he hired Parcells but at every turn made sure the public knew he was the final decision maker.

Now here's his big chance. here's his chance to show the world he can coach again. If that don't get you sick nothing will. I never hoped and wished I was so wrong before. I just feel sick, not because Parcells left, (yes I wanted him one more season because I feel that's all it would take.) but because Jones is still here. I wish he'd sell the team my self. I see no difference between him and Snyder.

 

[iceberg]

it could also give him the opportunity to show the world hiring parcells wasn't a fluke, but that he truly learned the value of a coach.

parcells wasn't our only hope. he did some good things, sure. but maybe jjones kept himself at bay in as much as parcells did.

i think we have just as much opportunity to keep getting better as much as we do jones falling on his face again. even moreso because jjones did change enough to let parcells do what he could in 4 years.

we'll just have to wait and see man.

 

[Bleu Star]

There's a tuna purging party at my house and you're all invited.