LT talks 'NFL Top Ten RB' on Irvin Show - 6/12/08

[Disturbed]

DCFanatic, just ignore them...don't talk to them it only makes it worse...the "semantec kids" are only happy when they bait you into a discussion or debate. What is the old saying, "Don't wrestle with a pig in the mud because the pig will like it".

This is not english class. So have some fun, when they correct you just respond with humor or ignore them.

 

[dcfanatic]

There's an important difference between using hyperbole in a post and using it when discussing the subject matter of a post. A point made by hyperbole isn't worthwhile because as soon as someone challenges it it doesn't stand up. Just like you're doing with Adam's crack on DC right now.

That point wasn't relevant to a football discussion, though. Hyperbole as it directly relates to the topic of a thread is not a good thing, and not a good habit for a smart board like this one. Posters are right to call it out and hold the rest of us to high standards.

So wait, is this the library or a football message board? I thought talking football was supposed to be fun.

Are we attending Yale or Harvard here?

What am I 'stupid' now because of my original post? lol.

I could see if I was throwing out all kinds of stats to make a point. I wasn't and that was clear.

He just has some grudge against me and that's clearly the reason he is attacking me in this thread.

Why you are even attempting to stick up for his behavior is beyond me.

Take a step back and look at the real issue at hand. Please tell me you are not one of the 'semantic kids' here bro.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Are we attending Yale or Harvard here?

Clearly not.

One would think that students at Yale and Harvard would have some grasp on the concept of hyperbole.

 

[dcfanatic]

I love when people get pissed because someone points something out to them.

A: "Here, this is my opinion".

B: "Well heres the facts".

A: "Screw you, my opinion isn't changed by or based on facts"

If you don't want someone to provide something in response, just put a little disclaimer in your signature that says you don't care to here other sides of the story and I'm sure everyone who doesn't agree with you will avoid replying.

Pissed? More like amused that some people around hre act like a stick in the mud. Then act like we are at a learning institution for football. lol.

Hello!!! It's just a message board.

Relax, talk some football and have a good time. It's not that hard.

 

[dcfanatic]

DCFanatic, just ignore them...don't talk to them it only makes it worse...the "semantec kids" are only happy when they bait you into a discussion or debate. What is the old saying, "Don't wrestle with a pig in the mud because the pig will like it".

This is not english class. So have some fun, when they correct you just respond with humor or ignore them.

I hear ya. But I wonder how many people just come here to read though and are actually afraid of posting because they will instantly be attacked.

This is the biggest Cobwoys message board if you count members, but it doesn't seem like all the members get involved in the discussions.

 

[Disturbed]

I hear ya. But I wonder how many people just come here to read though and are actually afraid of posting because they will instantly be attacked.

This is the biggest Cobwoys message board if you count members, but it doesn't seem like all the members get involved in the discussions.

You have a very good point. I really enjoy the humor on the board -- can never get enough of it. But I will admit that I quickly look at "grammer" related debates and move on....like a car wreck.

I hope new folks will join, add to the discussions, and bring new viewpoints and ideas.

 

[Idgit]

Then my point still stands. DCFanatic's credibility was the subject matter of Adam's post and the object of his hyperbole.

I should have been clear and said the subject matter of a *thread* rather than a given *post.* Hyperbole as it pertains to the subject matter of a thread drives the discussion into a ditch and can and should be avoided. It's the difference between 'So-and-so can't tackle' and 'you're always annoying.' We should care if and why someone can't tackle. We're less interested in other aspects of a thread, such as why one poster finds another annoying.

Only if a person engages in the absurd practice of interpreting hyperbole literally.

Hyperbole isn't meant to be taken literally. It's exaggeration for the sake of emphasizing a point, and it's a common and unavoidable part of speech. Hyperbole exists in virtually every genre of writing and communication, with the exception of highly formal technical or academic genres. Expecting such painstaking formality on a message board is ludicrous.

I know what hyperbole is, and I know it's not to be taken literally. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Exaggeration, intentional or otherwise, regarding the subject matter of a thread isn't often helpful and is often intentionally inflammatory. If a poster chooses to engage in it, they should be prepared to answer for it. That's not highly formal or academic, and it's not ludicrous.

I have no problem with hyperbole in general. It's when it's used to distract from an interesting discussion that you'll hear me complain.

This site is a completely relaxed and colloquial environment; therefore, there's absolutely nothing inappropriate about using hyperbole here. In all likelihood, most "smart" football viewers (of which this board consists, according to you) know that 80 yard runs are very rare from any one player.

DCFanatic's hyperbole is completely understood and appreciated.

We've covered that not all hyperbole is the same and why we shouldn't pretend it is. DCFs posts are no different from anyone else's in this regard. I agree that the 80 yard run comment was completely innocuous. I also appreciated the context Adam provided re: how rare 80 yard runs from scrimmage actually are.

 

[Idgit]

So wait, is this the library or a football message board? I thought talking football was supposed to be fun.

Are we attending Yale or Harvard here?

What am I 'stupid' now because of my original post? lol.

I could see if I was throwing out all kinds of stats to make a point. I wasn't and that was clear.

He just has some grudge against me and that's clearly the reason he is attacking me in this thread.

Why you are even attempting to stick up for his behavior is beyond me.

Take a step back and look at the real issue at hand. Please tell me you are not one of the 'semantic kids' here bro.

We're not attending Harvard or Yale, and you're not stupid because of your original post.

If you read my post above, you'll see that I agree with you that your comment was completely harmless precisely b/c you weren't throwing out hyperbole to make a point.

I'm not sure Adam has a grudge against you, b/c I've seen him similarly correct people who are in the midst of agreeing with him or kissing up to him in a thread. I think he places a higher value on accuracy than most of us do, and if you confront him on such a point, he's unlikely to disengage.

As for me, I'm a semantic kid when semantics are relevant. Though most of the time I just make stupid observations for my own amusement.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

i love Adam's statistical and cap prowess he brings to these boards, and i love dcfanatic's links, video and audio he brings to these boards.. and i haven't really talked to either one of them at much length, besides a little conversation here and there.. so i'm unbiased in this..

i think Adam was perfectly justified in his initial comment.. i have to admit, i'm glad Adam threw out the fact that Sayers never had a TD run of longer than 61 yards because, like so many others, i've been led to believe that Sayers was so electric that he was ripping off 80 yarders all the time back in the day.. dcfanatic probably thought the same thing.. if Adam hadn't corrected him, i would have kept on with the age-old assumption that Sayers dominated like that in his time.. Adam didn't really say it in a rude way, just a matter of fact way, which is his style.. i think dcfanatic got irritated because he felt like Adam was being rude, and shot back angrily and in a blistering way.. and here we are now..

both are valuable members to these forums.. but Judge Wapner rules this one in favor of...................

AdamJT13!

 

[AdamJT13]

Yes.

Simple.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2111223&postcount=53

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2116469&postcount=10

And remember your exact statement: people ignore DCFanatic "whenever" he opens his mouth.

when·ev·er
Every time that
Ex: The child smiles whenever the puppy appears.
America Heritage Dictionary

Therefore, these links must prove conclusively that people ignore DCfanatic every time he opens his mouth. Every time. Not merely when he's posting on a message board. Every time.

Can you do this?

If that's your standard, then there are billions of people who ignore him every time he opens his mouth.

 

[dcfanatic]

i love Adam's statistical and cap prowess he brings to these boards, and i love dcfanatic's links, video and audio he brings to these boards.. and i haven't really talked to either one of them at much length, besides a little conversation here and there.. so i'm unbiased in this..

i think Adam was perfectly justified in his initial comment.. i have to admit, i'm glad Adam threw out the fact that Sayers never had a TD run of longer than 61 yards because, like so many others, i've been led to believe that Sayers was so electric that he was ripping off 80 yarders all the time back in the day.. dcfanatic probably thought the same thing.. if Adam hadn't corrected him, i would have kept on with the age-old assumption that Sayers dominated like that in his time.. Adam didn't really say it in a rude way, just a matter of fact way, which is his style.. i think dcfanatic got irritated because he felt like Adam was being rude, and shot back angrily and in a blistering way.. and here we are now..

both are valuable members to these forums.. but Judge Wapner rules this one in favor of...................

AdamJT13!

LOL, so now that you know that Gale Sayers longest TD run was only 61 yards he's not the dominating player he was for you once upon a time ago.

That's very sad. 19 more yards and Sayers would still be that same player he was for you before you read this thread.

How silly does that sound? Think about it.

 

[Idgit]

LOL, so now that you know that Gale Sayers longest TD run was only 61 yards he's not the dominating player he was for you once upon a time ago.

That's very sad. 19 more yards and Sayers would still be that same player he was for you before you read this thread.

How silly does that sound? Think about it.

And...Santa is your Mom and Dad.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

LOL, so now that you know that Gale Sayers longest TD run was only 61 yards he's not the dominating player he was for you once upon a time ago.

That's very sad. 19 more yards and Sayers would still be that same player he was for you before you read this thread.

How silly does that sound? Think about it.

nah, that's not what i'm saying at all.. what i'm saying is, the way that the old timers gush about Sayers all the time and how dominant he was and how he made everyone else look childish and he was just so much faster, smoother, and more electric than anyone else at the time, i had always just assumed that he ripped off long touchdown runs with ease.. it puts a little perspective to know that the longest run of his career was 61 yards.. does that change the fact that he was spectacular? no, not at all.. he should still be considered one of the all-time greats.. he was an all-around great player- running, receiving, and returns.. my opinion of him hasn't changed at all.. what's funny is that your list is actually very close to mine.. BUT.. i'm glad that Adam posted that stat because it does in fact put all the legendary, tall tale sort of talk about Sayers into perspective..

 

[AdamJT13]

How many people do you think really read your 16,000 word posts?

I don't really care. But I can tell you that -- other than game threads -- three of the top four Daily Zone threads for page views and the No. 2 Fan Zone thread for page views are threads that I started with something I personally wrote. All of them have more than 10,000 page views. And none of them are someone else's work that I posted and merely made a short comment about. (Not to mention any other boards, including one where one of my "16,000-word" posts has more than 4,000 more views than any other thread in the past 18 months, and three of the top five threads in page views in the board's four-year history were some of my "16,000-word" posts.)

I'd say quite a few people read what I write, wouldn't you?

Are you still holding a grudge because I don't agree that the pass defense was a top ten unit even though you tried and tried to 'stat me' into thinking so.

I don't hold grudges. And you still haven't named the 10 pass defenses you think were better last season.

This place is supposed to be fun for the Cowboy fans.

And it's a place to share information. If you don't want to be informed, just ignore all of the people who know what they're talking about.

 

[AdamJT13]

DCFanatic, just ignore them...don't talk to them it only makes it worse...the "semantec kids" are only happy when they bait you into a discussion or debate. What is the old saying, "Don't wrestle with a pig in the mud because the pig will like it".

This is not english class. So have some fun, when they correct you just respond with humor or ignore them.

There's only one person in this thread arguing semantics --

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2116486&postcount=14

 

[dcfanatic]

I don't really care. But I can tell you that -- other than game threads -- three of the top four Daily Zone threads for page views and the No. 2 Fan Zone thread for page views are threads that I started with something I personally wrote. All of them have more than 10,000 page views. And none of them are someone else's work that I posted and merely made a short comment about. (Not to mention any other boards, including one where one of my "16,000-word" posts has more than 4,000 more views than any other thread in the past 18 months, and three of the top five threads in page views in the board's four-year history were some of my "16,000-word" posts.)

I'd say quite a few people read what I write, wouldn't you?

He doesn't really care, but yet he went and crunched the numbers on it. lol.

Two things.

1. You may be the biggest dork on the planet for posting this.

2. Is that you 'Rainman'?

He even uses stats to pat himself on the back, lol.

Someone is famous in their own mind.

Adam, you are 'salary cap guy' on a message board bro, nothing more and nothing less.

You do know that you don't actually play for the Dallas Cowboys right?

Now I just feel bad for you.

 

[dcfanatic]

nah, that's not what i'm saying at all.. what i'm saying is, the way that the old timers gush about Sayers all the time and how dominant he was and how he made everyone else look childish and he was just so much faster, smoother, and more electric than anyone else at the time, i had always just assumed that he ripped off long touchdown runs with ease.. it puts a little perspective to know that the longest run of his career was 61 yards.. does that change the fact that he was spectacular? no, not at all.. he should still be considered one of the all-time greats.. he was an all-around great player- running, receiving, and returns.. my opinion of him hasn't changed at all.. what's funny is that your list is actually very close to mine.. BUT.. i'm glad that Adam posted that stat because it does in fact put all the legendary, tall tale sort of talk about Sayers into perspective..

Please don't let this stupid thread in any way diminish the way you see Gale Sayers. The man was a one of a kind athlete and whether his longest TD run was 80 yards or 61 yards or 15 yards he is and always will be one of the greatest to ever play the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSdeIS52-E4

 

[sonnyboy]

You two are far too valuable to the board to be fighting. It's a waste of time.

Now kiss n makeup!


I was surprised to hear Sayers longest TD run was 61 yards. That's really odd. Bet he had runs longer than that that didn't go for 6.

When you see his highlights with all the zig and zaging I'm sure he'd run 80 yards or more on most of his 50 yard TD's.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

of course, I love #1

 

[CoCo]

I find hyperbole to often be divisive on this board. It works fine if both folks are on the same side of a discussion. But I think it confuses the issue when people are trying to debate or analyze.

And yes, debate and analysis are part of the fun for some.