Luke but no D Wood in the hall?

[Coogiguy03]

Wood was great and deserves to be in since Leroy Butler, John Lynch, and Atwater are in…..but Luke was like the best LB in the league at the time, played 8 years and was 1st team all pro 5 times and second 2 times….the only time he didn’t make all pro was rookie year and he was defensive rookie of the year that year….was also DPOY one year……easy easy HOF, not even debatable.

Exactly

 

[DuncanIso]

This isn't a Luke/Woodson issue. It is all about the Cowboys as a team.

There is no explanation the HOF committee could give for stalling the former Cowboy greats from getting in.

It is 100% anti-Cowboys bias. Plain and simple. It's been that way for years and won't likely be changing any time soon.

Yup.

Look how they treated Howley.

Niland, Andrie, and Jordan likely never get in.

Even Witten, 2nd in TE rec/yds and 11 pro bowls was snubbed.

 

[Q_the_man]

I love Woodson.

But Luke is a GOAT level LB.

He was the best LB of his generation.

Ray Lewis was not Luke

 

[nate dizzle]

That is a little off to me.

Nah Luke definitely should be in, they both should be. There are no arguments that Luke should be there though.

A better argument would be why is he not in if Lynch and Atwater are, not saying they shouldn't be in, but if they are, then Woody should be too

 

[nate dizzle]

There's an old tweet floating around comparing Woody's stats to John Lynch. That's where the real problem is imo. how does Lynch get in ahead of him

Correct

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Ray Lewis was not Luke

Bro, Ray Lewis played one year with Luke in the league.

They are not from the same generation.

 

[Robster8989]

That is a little off to me.

I love Woodson. I hope he gets in. Great player.
But dude, Luke Kuechly is one of the best LBs to play the game, of course he belongs in the HOF. I hope Woody gets in too.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I love Woodson.

But Luke is a GOAT level LB.

He was the best LB of his generation.

The Eagle troll is back. ^^^

Darren Woodson was a GOAT at S, and he has 3 SB Championships to back him up.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The Eagle troll is back. ^^^

Darren Woodson was a GOAT at S, and he has 3 SB Championships to back him up.

Oh hey, AC!

Hilarious. ^^^^

Cowboys will end up winning at least 8-9 games, and this poster will deny he ever made this comment that the Cowboys are only a 6 game winning team in 2025.

 

[Kwyn]

I never said he didn’t deserve the nod. I think he got in so quickly due to his health challenges. Honestly Woodson had a more prolific and impactful career by far.

He got in so quick because he was one of the greatest LBs of all time

If he played ten years he would been first ballot.

 

[Tussinman]

He got in so quick because he was one of the greatest LBs of all time

If he played ten years he would been first ballot.

Agreed. If he had played longer he would've basically been Bobby Wagner who will be first ballot (both of them same draft class).

 

[Kwyn]

Agreed. If he had played longer he would've basically been Bobby Wagner who will be first ballot (both of them same draft class).

Good callout. Check them both below

Pro football reference had these grades for ILB according to their criteria

Leroy in at #20 all time!

Player	HOFm	Chmp	AP1	PB	St	From	To	wAV	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits
Ray Lewis	197.35	2	7	12	14	1996	2012	160	228	227	31	503	3	64	96	41.5	2059	1568	491	99	40
Mike Singletary	171.28	1	7	10	12	1981	1992	124	179	172	7	44	0	23		19.0
Jack Lambert	150.80	4	6	9	10	1974	1984	111	146	138	28	243	0	31		23.5
Dick Butkus	128.05	0	5	8	9	1965	1973	82	119	119	22	166	0	38		11.0
Luke Kuechly	118.45	0	5	7	8	2012	2019	91	118	118	18	153	1	32	66	12.5	1092	690	402	75	31
Brian Urlacher	114.23	0	4	8	12	2000	2012	119	182	180	22	324	2	85	90	41.5	1361	1046	315	138	24
Bobby Wagner	114.10	1	6	10	13	2012	2025	129	219	217	15	207	1	98	76	39.5	2000	1150	850	107	111
Zach Thomas	110.30	0	5	7	12	1996	2008	115	184	182	17	170	4	34	48	20.5	1734	1107	627	74	5
Patrick Willis	107.10	0	5	7	7	2007	2014	93	112	112	8	131	2	86	53	20.5	950	733	217	60	41
Average HOF ILB	107	1	4	7	11			102	164	157	21	261	1	52		21
Nick Buoniconti	103.15	2	5	8	13	1962	1976	104	183	174	32	312	0	41		24.0
Ray Nitschke	81.48	5	2	1	11	1958	1972	95	190	150	25	385	2	43		16.0
NaVorro Bowman	69.98	0	4	3	5	2010	2017	71	99	84	5	104	1	89	30	14.0	798	585	213	48	30
Randy Gradishar	66.80	0	2	7	9	1974	1983	88	145	133	20	335	3	93		19.5
Sam Huff	66.43	1	2	5	13	1956	1969	64	168	159	30	381	2	39		29.0
Hardy Nickerson	66.13	0	2	5	14	1987	2002	97	225	200	12	71	0	18	24	21.0	1586	1272	314	16
Harry Carson	63.18	1	0	9	13	1976	1988	95	173	166	11	212	0	66		19.0
Willie Lanier	63.15	1	3	8	11	1967	1977	86	149	145	27	440	2	75		4.0
Karl Mecklenburg	62.15	0	3	6	10	1983	1994	93	180	141	5	128	0	63		79.0	1118	1104	14
Lee Roy Jordan	58.05	1	0	5	13	1963	1976	88	187	174	32	472	3	49		19.5

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Wood was great and deserves to be in since Leroy Butler, John Lynch, and Atwater are in…..but Luke was like the best LB in the league at the time, played 8 years and was 1st team all pro 5 times and second 2 times….the only time he didn’t make all pro was rookie year and he was defensive rookie of the year that year….was also DPOY one year……easy easy HOF, not even debatable.

Was woody the best in his day?

 

[Kwyn]

Was woody the best in his day?

Atwater, Butler and late career Ronnie Lott were all contemporaries members of the 1990s all decade team and members of the Hall of Fame

 

[Kwyn]

You correctly picture quoted my previous prediction of saying 8 to 9 wins. Now you come out and lie once again that I said 10 wins? You don't get tired of lying, do you?

It's like when you promised you would leave this site for good if Dak was given a new big contract. Well not only was Dak given a new big contract in 2024, he was actually made the highest paid QB, yet you never honored your promise and left. You are still here. You were also called out by many fellow posters for lying. Even some of our beloved fellow mods reminded you of your promise which you still deny.

You are doing the same thing once again. Lie after lie.

As much as I hate to agree with MC, you did predict 10-7 as our record.

 

[Cmac]

Luke vs Woody is not the issue........just explain why Leroy Butler and John Lynch are in, and Woody can't get a sniff.

 

[Kwyn]

Yup.

Look how they treated Howley.

Niland, Andrie, and Jordan likely never get in.

Even Witten, 2nd in TE rec/yds and 11 pro bowls was snubbed.

Witten wasn’t snubbed, he just wasn’t first ballot.

 

[quickccc]

i have no issues at all with the selection of Kuechly ... when healthy and Un-concussed, the dude was a tackling and turnover machine.

He's what i had hope injury prone Sean Lee would turned out to be in his own career. And frankly i was dense enuff to " Hope " LVE would be a version of
Sean Lee after his stellar (and only great) rookie year ...

It's super rare for FG kickers to be HOF, but i cant argue vs Adam either. As clutch aand consistent as they come.

I have still have imajor ssues with the likes of CB Lester Hayes,...DE Mark Gastineau ..and GB safety Leroy Butler over Darren Woodson ,of Not being
in the HOF by now. ..

 

[Bigrandrn]

Was woody the best in his day?

Close for sure for a few years…..I think he’s a HOFer but Luke was not debatable as a HOF, his accolades are better than Woodys. Woody had 3 first team all pro and 5 pro bowl in 12 seasons……Luke had 5 first team and 2 second team all pros, 7 pro bowls, a defensive rookie of the year and defensive player of the year, in only 8 seasons. They aren’t on the same level. I think he was better than Lynch and Leroy Butler, and they are both in….he was just as good at SS stuff as them but he was a lot better at coverage, he was the run D and the nickel package who never left the field.

 

[Kwyn]

i have no issues at all with the selection of Kuechly ... when healthy and Un-concussed, the dude was a tackling and turnover machine.

He's what i had hope injury prone Sean Lee would turned out to be in his own career. And frankly i was dense enuff to " Hope " LVE would be a version of
Sean Lee after his stellar (and only great) rookie year ...

It's super rare for FG kickers to be HOF, but i cant argue vs Adam either. As clutch aand consistent as they come.

I have still have imajor ssues with the likes of CB Lester Hayes,...DE Mark Gastineau ..and GB safety Leroy Butler over Darren Woodson ,of Not being
in the HOF by now. ..

Leroy Butler was also named all decade while woody wasn’t