lynn scott

[SilverStarCowboy]

Justin Berriualt seemed to play pretty well in coverage on many different occasions in his however brief stint in the NFL as a green rookie, now he has spent even more time at this level watching and learning. I will just agree to disagree with you if you don't mind. I think Justin is and will be a stud of a player he has showed that already. And also would make a Heck of a FS right now, wish we had him out there on the field today.


Justin Beriault, Ball State (6-2¾, 204)
Had a complete workout at the combine. Ran his 40s in 4.52 and 4.57, had a 39½-inch vertical jump, 11-foot long jump, 3.80 short shuttle, 10.82 long shuttle, 6.92 three-cone drill and did 14 reps.


Antrel Rolle, Miami (Fla.) (6-0 1/8, 201)
Rolle did not work out at the combine, except for doing 15 bench presses. He worked out at Miami's Pro Day, clocking 4.52 twice in the 40 on grass. He had a 37-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot-3 long jump, ran 4.04 in the short shuttle, 11.48 long shuttle and 6.70 in the three-cone drill.

 

[NorTex]

Beriault is too slow to play FS. Period. There is no discussion here.

He's faster than Davis...that's good enough for me.

 

[parchy]

And also would make a Heck of a FS right now

Let's say for a moment that the places you got your info were correct and mine weren't. That Beriault's average 40 time was somewhere in the 4.55 range. Roy Williams' 40 time is basically the same (clocked at 4.53 coming out of Oklahoma) and we all know how inadequately slow he's been deemed, not to mention Beriault isn't half as athletic as Roy is. Every single knock about Beriault is that he is great in run support and subpar in coverage. Take a look at any scouting report on the guy. He set records in tackles and he couldn't buy an interception (and don't tell me it's because the rest of his defense sucked, because if he was any good in coverage his coaches would've had him back there roaming the field). 4 int's in 4 years is not exactly something you want from an ideal FS, and it's not like he's going to be transformed by Parcells or anybody else. He was drafted as a SS and there is no reason to believe he's just going to find coverage ability and speed over night. Any optimism about this guy playing at FS right now isn't founded.

As far as Beriault being faster than Keith Davis, I say prove it. Davis' 40 time isn't any slower than Berry-O's is, and they're the same prototypical SS-type mold. These guys would/could start or backup at SS anywhere in the NFL, but they can't play FS. There has been no reason to believe they can.

I want to find the next FS as bad as the next guy, but let's not make lemonade out of oranges here and settle for something.

 

[Hailmary]

4.5 40 is plenty fast enough for a FS, especially considering that they are supposed to keep everything in front of them and not chase (or not chase if they are doing their job properly).

I don't doubt JB has the physical skills to succeed at this level, cause his combine numbers are very impressive. But I think the only way he'll shine w/ us is as Roy's back up and on ST. I'm just not convinced yet that he is any better at coverage than what we already have to man the FS position.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Davis' 40 time isn't any slower than Berry-O's is, and they're the same prototypical SS-type mold. These guys would/could start or backup at SS anywhere in the NFL, but they can't play FS.

lol, what a reach.

In my observation, #1 Justin has better instincts than Davis, #2 he had atleast one INT in the preseason along with many other big plays, #3 you don't know how they used Justin in college, #4 how many big plays has Davis made lately, #5 Davis is 5ft 10in, Bariault 6ft 2in, #6 You go ahead and keep pretending that Davis is SS material for every team in the league.

















:laugh2:

 

[Paniolo22]

Wrong. Rolle runs a 4.49, Beriault a 4.59. Furthermore, Rolle is considered a solid cover corner not because of his speed but because of his athletic play-making ability.

In any case, speed (which Berry-O doesn't have) doesn't make the FS. There's also that thing called coverage ability factored in, which Beriault doesn't possess either. He can't turn his hips and run with WR's very well and he has trouble reading developing pass plays. He is a poor man's Roy Williams and nothing more.

Who are you? His girlfriend? You sure know a lot of JB's short comings from the few games you and the rest of us were allowed to see. He seems to be just as fast as those other FS, and if I'm not mistaken, the smarter you play that position, the LESS fast you have to be. (rock >smarter Davis) Thus his short comings are more obvious.

 

[parchy]

Who are you? His girlfriend? You sure know a lot of JB's short comings from the few games you and the rest of us were allowed to see. He seems to be just as fast as those other FS, and if I'm not mistaken, the smarter you play that position, the LESS fast you have to be. (rock >smarter Davis) Thus his short comings are more obvious.

If you want to ignore the following, be my guest, but it seems to be in pretty plain English to me:

NFL.com:

Needs to improve his speed, as he might not be quick enough to cover receivers in the deep zone at the pro level … A little stiff in his hips and does not have the short-area explosion to be relied too much in man coverage … Has good range, but needs to build up to top speed … Struggles to adjust to the ball with his back to it, and is better making plays in front of him … Will not usually bite on a receiver's double moves, but if they get by him, he does not have the recovery speed to make the play … Effective with his hands to keep blockers off his body, but they are not natural enough to get good production on the interception … Not a quick-twitch type, but is reliable getting to the ball.

ESPN.com Insider report:

Is a hard-nosed, tough, aggressive and powerful SS type. Has a great frame to continue to add bulk. He decent range in zone coverage and adequate straight-line speed. Shows excellent instincts and diagnostic skills. Makes his reads quickly. Is aggressive but disciplined. Rarely misses a tackle he should make. Has adequate but not good speed. Has the frame to get bigger but needs to add the bulk and prove that he can play with the same quickness with extra mass. He is just a decent athlete. Is better coming forward than he is when forced to turn and run.

I don't know what you saw, but I didn't see anything in preseason to overturn any of those statements, and none of that supports him in coverage, which next to Roy is exactly what we need... the best we can possibly get in coverage. Why settle when we can just draft somebody who is actually hailed as somebody who makes a killing in coverage. There are plenty of them out there.

 

[jbsg02]

Our starting FS is currently not on our roster.

In the first 3 rounds of the draft, we need to walk away from it w/ a WR/OL/FS.

This really isn't the year to take a WR that high.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I don't know what you saw, but I didn't see anything in preseason to overturn any of those statements.

lol! I think we have a troll in our midst.

We saw plenty, HE HAD AN OUTSTANDING PRE-SEASON.

 

[parchy]

lol! I think we have a troll in our midst.

We saw plenty, HE HAD AN OUTSTANDING PRE-SEASON.

Dude, where did I say he didn't have a solid preseason? He had a superb preseason, but everything I saw were great plays at the line of scrimmage. He was great at making tackles in the backfield and I specifically remember how bone-crunchingly hard he hit against Seattle. He was flying over the pack and making great plays across the line of scrimmage.

But guess what? I never saw him bat down a pass or make a great play on a ball in the air, so I guess that leaves me with my original comment: "I didn't see anything in the preseason to refute those statements." That's not an insult as you'll notice there were some good things said about him there, but honestly, he's not cut out to make his money in pass coverage in the NFL, and that's the whole point of a FS. You can tell me I'm stupid or refute my comments will "You'll see's," but nothing to this point has given us any indication that he can play FS in the NFL. SS? sure, sign me up. But we don't need a SS. He's great for what he is, but I don't see why it would be such a big deal to just nab a prototypical FS (ala Polamalu) in the 2nd or 3rd round and be done with the issue.

 

[parchy]

By the way, I think it's hilarious that I'm a "troll" for questioning anything on this most flawless of teams.

 

[Dale]

I don't think a playoff team -- which, we better be aiming to be next season -- hands a starting position to a former late-round pick who spent his rookie season on injured reserve.

If Beriault wins the job, it better be because he beat out some pretty stiff competition (not named Scott, Davis or Pile) in the process.

 

[Reed]

isnt ed reed a free agent next year, and he isnt having such a great year this year, maybe we can get him cheaper than he would of gone last year, he is upset he didnt get that contract from the ravens this year