M Brown or N Orchard in the first

[supercowboy8]

I have read Brown is moving up

Still have 5 months until the draft. Lots of players will move up and down

 

[ghst187]

I'll toss out another name as 1st round possibility….OLB/DE Dante Fowler Jr Florida. He's going to be one of the top pass rushers in this draft and teams are projecting him to OLB but he can rush well from the DE position he just needs to get better at run containment. I can only speculate but I'm guessing run support is tons easier to learn than pass-rushing.
IMO, barring a trade our 1st round pick is likely to be Fowler or Orchard (with Calhoun as a third option)…someone that can come in and rush the passer immediately while we let Spencer walk. In the middle we have Crawford, Mincey, Melton, and Brent…based on what we read it sounds like we're highly unlikely to draft DT in rd 1 unless its a tommie harris-like player. I suspect we're going for the pass-rush in Rd 1

 

[supercowboy8]

I'll toss out another name as 1st round possibility….OLB/DE Dante Fowler Jr Florida. He's going to be one of the top pass rushers in this draft and teams are projecting him to OLB but he can rush well from the DE position he just needs to get better at run containment. I can only speculate but I'm guessing run support is tons easier to learn than pass-rushing.
IMO, barring a trade our 1st round pick is likely to be Fowler or Orchard (with Calhoun as a third option)…someone that can come in and rush the passer immediately while we let Spencer walk. In the middle we have Crawford, Mincey, Melton, and Brent…based on what we read it sounds like we're highly unlikely to draft DT in rd 1 unless its a tommie harris-like player. I suspect we're going for the pass-rush in Rd 1

But he didn't get to the qb at Florida. He's quick but he never can finish. I liked him going into the year but he never did get to the qb.

Sorry but I would like my pass rusher to actually get home sometimes and make a play.

Only 5.5 sacks this year

 

[bodi]

GHST you would think wouldn't you

but I could see a CB

because Flowers in the 3rd

but if we don't get Orchard

then its wide open INO

 

[ghst187]

GHST you would think wouldn't you

but I could see a CB

because Flowers in the 3rd

but if we don't get Orchard

then its wide open INO

definitely, also the UCLA kid in the third is possible, but I think its a pass rusher or a CB as our first round pick barring things going horribly wrong or the trade offer of the century.
If we ditch Carr I'd say CB is the biggest need by a margin. I would hope we'd spend the money we saved on a FA to cover down on either the new CB need or the pass rusher need (maybe JPP? although I hate the thought of bringing in a highly paid under-performer)

 

[supercowboy8]

definitely, also the UCLA kid in the third is possible, but I think its a pass rusher or a CB as our first round pick barring things going horribly wrong or the trade offer of the century.
If we ditch Carr I'd say CB is the biggest need by a margin. I would hope we'd spend the money we saved on a FA to cover down on either the new CB need or the pass rusher need (maybe JPP? although I hate the thought of bringing in a highly paid under-performer)

Yeah CB is going to be a need and CB is the hardest position for a rookie to play at a high level.
JPP has came on lately but we ha e enough big money players that we have to resign. I doubt we focus alot of money on another player like JPP.
McClain and Dez will not be cheap.

 

[ghst187]

Yeah CB is going to be a need and CB is the hardest position for a rookie to play at a high level.
JPP has came on lately but we ha e enough big money players that we have to resign. I doubt we focus alot of money on another player like JPP.
McClain and Dez will not be cheap.

agreed. There are several CBs I like in the first this year although I tire of having to spend so many first rd picks on CBs. Ironically, I have not yet tired of spending so many firsts on OL….since we actually have something shiny to show for it. CBs….that's another story.

 

[supercowboy8]

agreed. There are several CBs I like in the first this year although I tire of having to spend so many first rd picks on CBs. Ironically, I have not yet tired of spending so many firsts on OL….since we actually have something shiny to show for it. CBs….that's another story.

I think we can find a CB in the 2nd this year. The class is deep. There isn't a big difference in the top end and the 2nd level in my eyes.

I want to start focusing on DL especially DE in this draft. I think your secondary is usually as good as your pass rush is.

Just think if we start focusing on DL like we did our OL.

 

[ghst187]

Just think if we start focusing on DL like we did our OL.

(salivating) I love that idea

 

[xwalker]

we need a pass rusher so bad

but we also need a playmaker in the middle

They have multiple options at DT for 2015 but have a much bigger need at DE. Hopefully, they sign a free agent DE and go BPA at a position of need in the draft.

While it's true that they won't draft a pure 1-tech in the 1st, they do like to have a second 3-tech that plays almost as much as the starter because the 3-techs play together in obvious passing situations.

Existing Options at DT:
1-tech
Josh Brent (most likely the starter)
Ken Bishop (I thought he was physically better than Hayden when he played early in the season, but was raw)
Hayden (He is mister hustle, but has minimal talent and is a free agent)

1-tech/3-tech
T. McClain (He has been really good as the 4th DT in the past several games after a slow start due to injuries)

3-tech
Crawford (the starter)
Coleman
Whaley
Okoye
Jack Crawford

Existing Options at DE:
DLawrence
Mincey
Gardner
Edwards
Selvie and Spencer are free agents

IMO, several of the DTs have interesting upside, but other than DLaw, there's not much in terms of developmental guys with high upside at DE. Gardner/Edwards might develop into OK 4th DEs on the strong side, but I don't see either as a #2 or #3 DE. None of them are elite speed guys. DLaw looks like his optimum position might be on the Strong Side and/or as a base DE on the right side. I would like to see them add a speed freak type at RDE.

 

[gmoney112]

They have multiple options at DT for 2015 but have a much bigger need at DE. Hopefully, they sign a free agent DE and go BPA at a position of need in the draft.

While it's true that they won't draft a pure 1-tech in the 1st, they do like to have a second 3-tech that plays almost as much as the starter because the 3-techs play together in obvious passing situations.

Existing Options at DT:
1-tech
Josh Brent (most likely the starter)
Ken Bishop (I thought he was physically better than Hayden when he played early in the season, but was raw)
Hayden (He is mister hustle, but has minimal talent and is a free agent)

1-tech/3-tech
T. McClain (He has been really good as the 4th DT in the past several games after a slow start due to injuries)

3-tech
Crawford (the starter)
Coleman
Whaley
Okoye
Jack Crawford

Existing Options at DE:
DLawrence
Mincey
Gardner
Edwards
Selvie and Spencer are free agents

IMO, several of the DTs have interesting upside, but other than DLaw, there's not much in terms of developmental guys with high upside at DE. Gardner/Edwards might develop into OK 4th DEs on the strong side, but I don't see either as a #2 or #3 DE. None of them are elite speed guys. DLaw looks like his optimum position might be on the Strong Side and/or as a base DE on the right side. I would like to see them add a speed freak type at RDE.

Ugh, when you see all our lineman listed like that, you realize we really do need about 2 more impact players on the line before I think we can be considered a "good" DL.

JPP is turning it on, and has been rated as one of the best run defending DE's in the NFL this season. He has 10.5 sacks as well, I think on a different team with Marinelli coaching him he could return to form. He may not be a "speed freak" but he can definitely enforce his will when hes culpable.

I don't really see much at DT either. We have Crawford, a rookie who has potential and would probably be the 3rd DT I carry on game day (don't we usually activate three 3-tech players and one 1-tech?) because he needs developing, a guy coming out of a coma where he was force fed through a tube for months, and a college player who tore his ACL and he wasn't very special to begin with. With the amount of snaps they split, I think 3-tech is definitely a need. Especially if Crawford goes down, can you imagine what the gameday depth chart would look like at the 3? Ouch.

I'd love to draft a legitimate pass rusher in the first, but I also wouldn't hate it if we signed a talented DE in the offseason, and a very talented 3 tech fell to us. Brown/Crawford would set us up there for a long time. I don't know much about the UCLA guy but if he has potential like others are claiming, he could always be a target for us in the 2nd/3rd to finish out a good rotation with a JPP/Lawrence/Mincey/UCLA guy. Crawford/Brown at the 3.

I really want a talented 1 too. Hayden gives me heartburn and I think Brent's a crapshoot at this point. If we could have a 1 that holds his ground, Brown/Crawford at the 3, and McClain in the middle, our interior defense would be pretty stacked.

 

[Bluefin]

Existing Options at DT:

1-tech
Josh Brent (most likely the starter)
Ken Bishop (I thought he was physically better than Hayden when he played early in the season, but was raw)
Nick Hayden (He is mister hustle, but has minimal talent and is a free agent)

I know Nick Hayden is a favorite of Rod Marinelli and I appreciate the effort our current NT gives, but he's a limited player best suited to a reserve role and he may not be re-signed during free ageny.

Josh Brent will be ready to play football next season and is a superior player to Hayden. Ken Bishop should also be prepared to compete for a spot next year after his first full NFL off-season at Valley Ranch.

The team may be unwilling to spend on this position during free agency, though I won't rule it out, but adding a talented prospect during the draft is a definite possibility.

1-tech/3-tech
Terrell McClain (He has been really good as the 4th DT in the past several games after a slow start due to injuries)

McClain's versatility helps and the remaining two years of his contract are cheap, but there will be a posse of young DTs nipping at his heels in camp next year. He needs to keep showing up and give the team no reason to churn.

3-tech
Tyrone Crawford (the starter)
Davon Coleman
Chris Whaley
Amobi Okoye
Jack Crawford

We just need one of these reserves to make a jump and prove capable of playing in a reserve role.

I'm hoping for a better hit rate than that.

Davon Coleman already made the 53 once and should be a better player next July. Chris Whaley was an injury red shirt this year but Rod Marinelli already compared him to fellow Texas alum Henry Melton because of similar college stories.

Amobi Okoye is a wild card.

Jack Crawford is an interesting player, I like the idea of keeping him at UT instead of LDE, but Dallas' plans are unknown at this point and we have bigger issues out on the edge right now.

Existing Options at DE:
DeMarcus Lawrence
Jeremy Mincey
Kenneth Boatright (come on, X, you forgot Motorboat!)
Ben Gardner
Lavar Edwards

I'm open to moving DeMarcus Lawrence to LDE if a better RDE is acquired.

Whatever happens, Law Dog needs to make a big jump in production in 2015.

We need to be right on this player.

I know some fans are ready to flush Mincey already, but he's a high motor player with heart and I'd love to use him in a reserve role next year spelling both starters.

Ben Gardner will be in the mix at LDE, might be a practice squad option, the same goes for Kenneth Boatright at RDE.

I don't think Lavar Edwards will survive cuts or join the practice squad.

George Selvie and Anthony Spencer are free agents

We need to get better, that means doing everything possible to upgrade from these players.

Building a dominant DL is a must.

I would like to see them add a speed freak type at RDE.

We can only hope.

If we find a rookie later in the draft or thereafter, being a pure pass rusher might not be enough to make it.

Youngsters not protected by their draft status need to be team players and buy in when it comes to special teams.

That is the best way to buy developmental time.

 

[supercowboy8]

I don't see a dominate or real good 3 tech in this draft. There are alot of 1s and some good 3 techs but non I think dallas should spend a 1st on.
I like brown ad a 1 tech who I think could also stay on the field on 3rd downs but I think he will be dline before we pick and also Dallas doesn't value 1 techs as a 1st round grade.

Marinelli also never valued CBs early either.
It's all about the safety, Mike, Will and 3 tech and DE.

After Leonard williams and Brown there is a big drop off in talent with DTs IMO.

 

[xwalker]

Ugh, when you see all our lineman listed like that, you realize we really do need about 2 more impact players on the line before I think we can be considered a "good" DL.

JPP is turning it on, and has been rated as one of the best run defending DE's in the NFL this season. He has 10.5 sacks as well, I think on a different team with Marinelli coaching him he could return to form. He may not be a "speed freak" but he can definitely enforce his will when hes culpable.

I don't really see much at DT either. We have Crawford, a rookie who has potential and would probably be the 3rd DT I carry on game day (don't we usually activate three 3-tech players and one 1-tech?) because he needs developing, a guy coming out of a coma where he was force fed through a tube for months, and a college player who tore his ACL and he wasn't very special to begin with. With the amount of snaps they split, I think 3-tech is definitely a need. Especially if Crawford goes down, can you imagine what the gameday depth chart would look like at the 3? Ouch.

I'd love to draft a legitimate pass rusher in the first, but I also wouldn't hate it if we signed a talented DE in the offseason, and a very talented 3 tech fell to us. Brown/Crawford would set us up there for a long time. I don't know much about the UCLA guy but if he has potential like others are claiming, he could always be a target for us in the 2nd/3rd to finish out a good rotation with a JPP/Lawrence/Mincey/UCLA guy. Crawford/Brown at the 3.

I really want a talented 1 too. Hayden gives me heartburn and I think Brent's a crapshoot at this point. If we could have a 1 that holds his ground, Brown/Crawford at the 3, and McClain in the middle, our interior defense would be pretty stacked.

The great thing is that they have 11 wins with Hayden, Selvie and Mincey starting. It's shouldn't be too hard to upgrade over Hayden/Selvie and hopefully move Mincey from the #1 DE to #3 or #4 assuming DLaw is at least #2.

I'm certain that Brent is better than Hayden after a full training camp.

Bishop is a player that I focused on in training camp and I believe that he has a really nice upside. I have no doubt that he is both stronger and quicker than Hayden but he was very raw coming from a very small school. In college he was one of the biggest mismatches that I've even seen on any level. OLinemen at that level offered almost zero resistance to him and he didn't really need to use any technique.

Terrell McClain has played both the 1 and 3. IMO, when he has played the 3, he has at times looked better than Melton. He tends to play a little out of control at times, but he is strong and quick. At worse case I could see him as the backup 3-tech next year and he would be good enough.

The biggest question is whether they go for a significant free agent DE or if they wait until the draft to try and upgrade at that position. I prefer both.

I'm sure JPP is better than Mincey, but as a big name guy I can see him getting over-paid in free agency.

The best free agent DE is Hardy. His legal issues could take him off the table or it could make him more affordable.

I think both Brandon Graham and Jabaal Sheard could be better pass rushers than Mincey and they should be mid-tier in terms of cost. Both are currently miscast as 3-4 OLBs.

 

[LatinMind]

But dallas has lived by that the last year's and has shown it. They had chances to take a good 1 tech early and passed both times.

Also I think Jerry Steven and Rob all value DE pass rushers over a 1 tech. So given the choice they would take Orchard over Brown.

Think this team will get a proven DE in FA. These top DE's in this draft after gregory are all undersized and probably fit better in a 3-4. Give me JPP or Hughes over any of these guys