JVita17;1504959 said:
Hostile;1504963 said:
jrumann59;1505161 said:
Hostile;1505485 said:From the same website, a close up.
That doesn't look like a Black and Mild cigar to me at all.
Unless you're telling me that what we're seeing is the filter. Then I'm going to tell you the filter would be white like his shirt, shaped differently and you'd see a rectangular slit in it. In a picture where you can see this kind of detail in his hands, the slit should be really evident.
I'd also want an explanation of why you can't see any bit of the "cigar." I mean the match he used to light it is still in his lap, but that thing is smoked down to less than the width of his finger? I'm supposed to believe that the "cigar" is basically a half inch long? The gap between his fingers is clearly blue like his jeans.
Nah.
His eyes look a little glazed too, although he very well could have been drinking, and that could explain that.
silverbear;1505547 said:
Hostile;1505485 said:From the same website, a close up.
That doesn't look like a Black and Mild cigar to me at all.
Unless you're telling me that what we're seeing is the filter. Then I'm going to tell you the filter would be white like his shirt, shaped differently and you'd see a rectangular slit in it. In a picture where you can see this kind of detail in his hands, the slit should be really evident.
I'd also want an explanation of why you can't see any bit of the "cigar." I mean the match he used to light it is still in his lap, but that thing is smoked down to less than the width of his finger? I'm supposed to believe that the "cigar" is basically a half inch long? The gap between his fingers is clearly blue like his jeans.
Nah.
His eyes look a little glazed too, although he very well could have been drinking, and that could explain that.
I don't see flat and square. I see pressed flat from lips.adamknite;1505630 said:
Sorry, no. That's not a white plastic filter that has turned tan. Unless you want to tell me whatever is in his mouth is so foul that it can decay white plastic.
No it isn't. It is shaped exactly like a rolled joint and furthermore as I have already pointed out is nowhere near the length of a cigar.adamknite;1505637 said:
Hostile;1505658 said:I don't see flat and square. I see pressed flat from lips.
Sorry, no. That's not a white plastic filter that has turned tan. Unless you want to tell me whatever is in his mouth is so foul that it can decay white plastic.
Come on man, how naive are you?
No it isn't. It is shaped exactly like a rolled joint and furthermore as I have already pointed out is nowhere near the length of a cigar.
I am by no means a Vick fan and I fully believe that he is just another punk thug with too much money. But that picture is so inconclusive as to be not worthy of discussion. If that photo was all the evidence there was against Vick it would be laughable to be having this discussion. Unfortunately there is a great deal more evidence to his lack of character that is far more convincing.Hostile;1505658 said:I don't see flat and square. I see pressed flat from lips.
Sorry, no. That's not a white plastic filter[/b[ that has turned tan. Unless you want to tell me whatever is in his mouth is so foul that it can decay white plastic.
Come on man, how naive are you?
No it isn't. It is shaped exactly like a rolled joint and furthermore as I have already pointed out is nowhere near the length of a cigar.
JVita17;1504959 said:
Yeah, naive.adamknite;1505667 said:
About the rolled paper...Zig-Zag makes a "wheat straw" rolling paper which is a yellowish color. Also, a joint rolled with white paper would be discolored once it has been smoked down. In fact that is one of the factors that makes me believe it is a cigar; the coloration is too even across the surface of the entire object whereas a smoked down joint would be more dirty looking. So the part of your arguement about white rolling paper is not necessarily valid.adamknite;1505667 said:
LOL I have witnessed far too many of your discussions to think that you are an easy sell. However, simply because YOU are convinced that it is an illicit object does not make it "ludicrous" that I do not see what you believe that you see. It may very well be a joint; we will never know for sure. But the interpertations that you have presented of what you see are far from convincing IMO. You see I'm not an easy sell either.Hostile;1505688 said:
I have never seen a 1 inch long cigar in my life unless it had been smoked for a long time. Certainly long enough to have removed the match from the lap. To believe that the bell of the filter and the remainder of the cigar can be hidden behind the width of one finger....JackMagist;1505692 said:
Hostile;1505697 said:
Go back and look at the picture again...take note of the area between his first and second finger just at the back of his fingernails. You can clearly see the cigar extending from behind his first finger down behind his middle finger (the one he shots to the crowd); it is covered by more than One finger. Also, those small cigars are only about three inches long to start with and they are quite frequently smoked down to only one inch long. Of course they are about ready to put out at that point because they become harsh tasting but it is not at all unusual to see them smoked down to one inch.Hostile;1505697 said:
