Manningham not as slow

[burmafrd]

There is not one WR in this years draft that I REALLY like. Hardy interests me due to his size; but other then that I say pass on the whole class.

 

[Jordan55]

I have better hands than Manningham has...

For once, I might agree with the Bear, but of course I haven't seen the Bear personally catch a ball, where as I have seen Manningham drop a few to many.
Their has to be other options to consider.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

How is that? One productive year and good numbers at the combine? I don't know that Manningham will be a better pro, but people are going gaga over Thomas' combine and projecting him like he's a sure fire pick when he literally had 9 catches the year before this one.

Well don't you think that a guy who had 9 catches the year before all of a sudden has a great season out of nowhere must have some special skills that once he got his chance, he made it count?

He's got everything you want in a n NFL W.R. with his triangular numbers of height/weight/speed and has good hands leaping ability and the only thing he's missing is breaking out earlier in his college career, but that's not uncommon!
I like him and wouldn't mind him at #28, would prefer to move up a few spots to #18 if Malcolm Kelly is still there, but I like Thomas!

 

[TheCount]

Well don't you think that a guy who had 9 catches the year before all of a sudden has a great season out of nowhere must have some special skills that once he got his chance, he made it count?

Yes. Still, I wouldn't spend a 1st round draft pick to find out whether he caught lightning in a bottle or really is so good. If he really is good, he should have had no problem staying in school another year, doing even better, and being a sure fire 1st rounder next year.

I like him too, but he is neither a sure thing nor worthy of a 1st round pick with pretty much only a single seasons worth of tape on him.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

If he really is good, he should have had no problem staying in school another year, doing even better, and being a sure fire 1st rounder next year.

You don't know the Q.B. situation, or his financial situation either, you can't just say simply go back to school if he was so good!

I like him too, but he is neither a sure thing

No one in the draft is EVER a sure thing!

nor worthy of a 1st round pick with pretty much only a single seasons worth of tape on him.

Late 1st round, I think he's worthy!
I really like Jerome Simpson to be a steal in this draft in round 3 if he lasts till our pick!
6'-2 210 ran a 4.37 and constantly beat double teams, now this is a kid I REALLY LIKE if we don't get a W.R. in round 1!

 

[TheCount]

You don't know the Q.B. situation, or his financial situation either, you can't just say simply go back to school if he was so good!

It doesn't matter what his reasons are, and whether or not his reasons are valid. He isn't going back, so we'll never know.

No one in the draft is EVER a sure thing!

Pearls of wisdom.

Late 1st round, I think he's worthy!
I really like Jerome Simpson to be a steal in this draft in round 3 if he lasts till our pick!
6'-2 210 ran a 4.37 and constantly beat double teams, now this is a kid I REALLY LIKE if we don't get a W.R. in round 1!

Not sure where you get your information from, I didn't see Simpson run a 4.3 40, I see 4.47, maybe you had a typo.

Anyway, once again you may be relying too much on combine numbers. Simpson played for a no name school, against no name competition, and wasn't even dominant on that level (not a single 100 yard game all year). I'd much rather have Jordy Nelson in the third, although he may be gone early in the 3rd, at least he faced good competition and produced.

Even still, there are a couple of guys I'd take before Simpson. I'd probably still rather Adarius Bowman at that point.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB
You don't know the Q.B. situation, or his financial situation either, you can't just say simply go back to school if he was so good!

It doesn't matter what his reasons are, and whether or not his reasons are valid. He isn't going back, so we'll never know.

Um, no shiit sherlock!
I was reasponding to his question is all!

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB
No one in the draft is EVER a sure thing!

Pearls of wisdom.

See above, donkey!

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Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB
Late 1st round, I think he's worthy!
I really like Jerome Simpson to be a steal in this draft in round 3 if he lasts till our pick!
6'-2 210 ran a 4.37 and constantly beat double teams, now this is a kid I REALLY LIKE if we don't get a W.R. in round 1!

Not sure where you get your information from, I didn't see Simpson run a 4.3 40, I see 4.47, maybe you had a typo.

You are correct, had old notes on him, must of been rumoored to run that or ran it last year on campus or something.

Anyway, once again you may be relying too much on combine numbers.

Once again you ASSUME a lot of stuff that simply ain't true!
I just stated his combine numbers, I in no way are relyign on them too much!

Simpson played for a no name school,

So have a lot of hall of famers!

against no name competition, and wasn't even dominant on that level (not a single 100 yard game all year). I'd much rather have Jordy Nelson in the third, although he may be gone early in the 3rd, at least he faced good competition and produced.

I'd take Nelson too, I thinkj he'll be gone beforeourpickinround2.

Even still, there are a couple of guys I'd take before Simpson. I'd probably still rather Adarius Bowman at that point.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

How is that? One productive year and good numbers at the combine? I don't know that Manningham will be a better pro, but people are going gaga over Thomas' combine and projecting him like he's a sure fire pick when he literally had 9 catches the year before this one.

Again, I'm stating MY opinion... I believe he's a better pro prospect because of his ability to run after the catch.

 

[StarHead69]

There is not one WR in this years draft that I REALLY like. Hardy interests me due to his size; but other then that I say pass on the whole class.

... not in the first round anyways!

 

[ThatsmyQB]

... not in the first round anyways!

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/college/Oklahoma_logo.gif Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma
Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
Projected 40 Time: 4.47.
Combine 40 Time: Did not run.
Vertical: . Broad .
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick.

 

[TheCount]

Again, I'm stating MY opinion... I believe he's a better pro prospect because of his ability to run after the catch.

I've got no problem with your opinion, I'm just making mine clear so when Jerry comes on Cowboy Zone looking for future draft scouts, maybe he'll notice me and pay me 2 mil a year.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If he really runs near that fast and is there mid-round 2 then y eah I'd be thrilled if we grabbed him up.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I've seen him play 2 or 3 games, and it's the same for me... I've even heard the announcers comment on it, leading me to believe it's a problem he's had in games I didn't see, too...

Beyond that, he's more or less a one season wonder, having put up just 65 catches in 22 games played in his first two seasons... when you read comments about him not being real physical, not being willing to work the middle of the field, and having a hard time getting off the jam, you start to think he sounds like a faster Brandon Lloyd...

Here's a sentence from NFL Draft Dog that sums him up nicely, IMO:



I was being playful when I said I have better hands than he has (though I do have really good hands, LOL), the point I was making is that although he's capable of making the highlight reel grab, he's way too prone to dropping what should be fairly easy catches... if he does that a time or two or three in preseason games, coaches are not going to give him much of a role in the offense come the regular season...

I just don't think that Mario will be a particularly good receiver in the NFL... he gets compared to Terry Glenn on the Cowboys boards, but his game is much more limited than Glenn's is, and his consistency catching the ball is nowhere near Terry's either...

He ranks somewhat lower on my draft boards than he does on most of the experts', I'll give you that...

How is Manningham a one year wonder? He caught 27 passes, 6 of which went for tds, as a freshman. Not bad for a freshman.

As a sophomore he caught 38 balls for over 700 yrads with 9 tds in 9 games. He missed 4 games with a knee injury which he had surgery on and still came back to play in UM's final 3 games. If my math is right that projects to 60 rec. for over 1,000 yards and 13 tds.

His junior year he caught 72 passes for over 1100 yards and 12 more tds.

I wouldn't classify him as a one year wonder. That designation should go to Limas Sweed more than Manningham.

 

[TheCount]

How is Manningham a one year wonder? He caught 27 passes, 6 of which went for tds, as a freshman. Not bad for a freshman.

As a sophomore he caught 38 balls for over 700 yrads with 9 tds in 9 games. He missed 4 games with a knee injury which he had surgery on and still came back to play in UM's final 3 games. If my math is right that projects to 60 rec. for over 1,000 yards and 13 tds.

His junior year he caught 72 passes for over 1100 yards and 12 more tds.

I wouldn't classify him as a one year wonder. That designation should go to Limas Sweed more than Manningham.

I was with you all the way to that point. Sweed's college career is pretty similar to Manningham's, I'd say.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I was with you all the way to that point. Sweed's college career is pretty similar to Manningham's, I'd say.

Really? Well, Sweed played 4 years at UT and appeared in 40 career games. His numbers were 124 receptions for 1915 yards and 20 tds.

Manningham only played 3 years at UM, and appearing in 8 fewer games than Sweed did, caught 137 passes for 2,310 yardas and 27 tds. So , in basically 1 fewer season Manningham had more catches, yards, and tds than Sweed.

Sweed also never sniffed 1,000 yards in any season and will be 24 in 2008. Manningham turns 22 in May.

 

[TheCount]

Really? Well, Sweed played 4 years at UT and appeared in 40 career games. His numbers were 124 receptions for 1915 yards and 20 tds.

Manningham only played 3 years at UM, and appearing in 8 fewer games than Sweed did, caught 137 passes for 2,310 yardas and 27 tds. So , in basically 1 fewer season Manningham had more catches, yards, and tds than Sweed.

Sweed also never sniffed 1,000 yards in any season and will be 24 in 2008. Manningham turns 22 in May.

I don't think stats tell the whole story there, but you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[DFWJC]

Read on footballs future he ran a a 4.39 at his pro day on a slow track!

If he's there middle round 2, I'd trade up to get him, I really like him and would be GREAT VALUE!
Especially if we go for a big W.R. like Hardy in round 1.
I'd like to get Romo a future #1 and a speed slot guy for the rest of his career NOW to grow together and not have to worry about W.R. for a long time!

I was surpised he was timed at 4.6+ originally, but 4.39 is a head scratcher. I don't see how you can drop that much. In any case, I consider him very polished compared to msot of the others, but not enough to take before late Rd2. Seeing that we may grab a WR in Rd 1, I would not use that 2nd rd pick for another WR.

 

[lkelly]

Not mentioned in this awe inspiring debate is the fact that Manningham has some Antonio Bryant in him. He's a bit of a head case.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Man that would be terrible. I'm really upset about the Bryant deal cause I thought the kid had plenty of talent, and upside, if he could have lost his attitude and stupid nature.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

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Originally Posted by parcells316
Really? Well, Sweed played 4 years at UT and appeared in 40 career games. His numbers were 124 receptions for 1915 yards and 20 tds.

Manningham only played 3 years at UM, and appearing in 8 fewer games than Sweed did, caught 137 passes for 2,310 yardas and 27 tds. So , in basically 1 fewer season Manningham had more catches, yards, and tds than Sweed.

Sweed also never sniffed 1,000 yards in any season and will be 24 in 2008. Manningham turns 22 in May.

I don't think stats tell the whole story there, but you're entitled to your opinion.

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