Manson Denied Parole... Of Course

[Tusan_Homichi]

I don't buy the brainwashing stuff. They had the power to leave and they chose not to. Further, they choose to follow the nut of their own accord before they even got to the compound where all of this was to take place. Even during the Lobianco murders, one of the women said she knew what they were doing was wrong so she wasn't under some kind of spell where she didn't know right from wrong. I don't view the killers as a bunch of mixed up crazy kids. They are what they are. Killers.

JMO.

That's how I've always leaned. I just can't buy that they didn't have any idea what they were doing. Just because they're loons and let another loon lead them down the path they went down doesn't mean they get any sympathy from me.

 

[Hostile]

That's how I've always leaned. I just can't buy that they didn't have any idea what they were doing. Just because they're loons and let another loon lead them down the path they went down doesn't mean they get any sympathy from me.

It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

My understanding is that he sent them to that house because he thought the producer was still there and they just happened to be the ones there. I guess Manson didn't know he moved.

That was always my understanding but Hos provided some information that I don't recall reading before. Or possibly I forgot it because I'll be honest I've never dug very deep into the study of this particular set of events. It's just not something that I've been intently interested enough in to do any real research.

I know there is that book Helter Skelter that a lot of people have read, including my wife, but I've never even read that.

Does it give a lot of details on this case and the circumstances surrounding it?

I don't buy the brainwashing stuff. They had the power to leave and they chose not to. Further, they choose to follow the nut of their own accord before they even got to the compound where all of this was to take place. Even during the Lobianco murders, one of the women said she knew what they were doing was wrong so she wasn't under some kind of spell where she didn't know right from wrong. I don't view the killers as a bunch of mixed up crazy kids. They are what they are. Killers.

JMO.

That's how I feel about a large majority of the situations where people kill someone or torture them or anything like that.


There is definately that element where people aren't right in the head for wanting to do these kinds of things, or liking them, but i've never believed that any of them didn't know what they were doing was wrong.

And heres why. If they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, and really had no grasp of what they were doing, then why do all of them try to keep from getting caught? Why do so many supposedly crazy murders, who didn't know what they were doing, go out of their way to not get caught for doing it?

It's pretty simple really. They know that what they're doing is wrong, is illegal, and they will be punished if they get caught. Thus they attempt to no get caught.


That whole brainwashed, crazy, didn't know, didn't understand type of defense simply doesn't work for me in the large majority of cases.

I'm certain there are some examples out there where it's pretty obvious the person did something and didn't know but the large majority of cases, including this one, proves otherwise to me.

It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.

Of course not. I don't believe anyone would imply such a thing.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.

I don't think you have sympathy for them either. I didn't get that from your post.

But I think there is a difference between brainwashing and simply following a lunatic. People that are brainwashed are otherwise right thinking people generally. Kinda like the people who fell into the cults of Jim Jones and David Koresh. While there are some similarities, there are more things at play here. The drug culture of the Haight/Ashbury district where Manson found his family was teeming with people who chose to be in that lifestyle. They decided that they could get free drugs/booze and sex and went off with him. Maybe after they got to the compound he gained more control but simply because he controlled the food, drink and activities. There were any number of them who had the same experience that left the compound as well.

In either case, they all got what they deserved.

 

[5Stars]

Side note...This story was on Yahoo yesterday and I do believe this guy is Manson's son.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-says-may-charles-manson-son-192931459.html

Wow, freaky....

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

70% of your country is an inhospitable ice shelf, it takes 18 months to get a knee replacement and you were founded by the French. We win.

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

 

[dez_for_prez]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

Give it up. Your not gonna get an American to say Canada is better or vice versa.
As a Canadian, I wish Quebec would explode.

 

[The30YardSlant]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

Most historians agree we would have won anyway, it would have just taken longer and more people would have died. The Americans had to turn the tide before the French were even willing to get involved and ultimately the English would have cut their losses as the war had clearly turned before the French arrived. England's increasing financial struggles in the early 1780s made the war virtually unwinnable given the American's resolve.

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

General population statistics of the US and Canada are not really comparable as the US population is nearly an entire order of magnitude larger. It would be like comparing the average weight of the Dallas Cowboys roster to the average weight of every player in the league, those numbers are going to vary by a good 5-10 pounds simply due to the sample size.

 

[zrinkill]

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

I will play your troll game.

Males
Average height and weight USA
190lbs ---- 5' 9.3"


Kinda males
Average height and weight Canada
182lbs ---- 5' 8.5"

 

[dez_for_prez]

I will play your troll game.

Males
Average height and weight USA
190lbs ---- 5' 9.3"


Kinda males
Average height and weight Canada
182lbs ---- 5' 8.5"

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8

Not all that much difference here.

(Side note) Males don't out live females in any country

Obesity

CANADA 14.3%
USA 30.6% You are 6.4% higher then the next country that is listed.

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Clearly this thread has gotten hijacked. If people want to further discuss this maybe we should create a thread. Have we not learned anything from the Zimmerman thread.

Manson was insane and I'm glad he will never live to be a free man. It is kinda crazy how he was able to get his followers to do what he wanted tho.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8

Not all that much difference here.

(Side note) Males don't out live females in any country

Obesity

CANADA 14.3%
USA 30.6% You are 6.4% higher then the next country that is listed.

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Clearly this thread has gotten hijacked. If people want to further discuss this maybe we should create a thread. Have we not learned anything from the Zimmerman thread.

Manson was insane and I'm glad he will never live to be a free man. It is kinda crazy how he was able to get his followers to do what he wanted tho.

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

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[5Stars]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

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(stupid cowboy fans)

 

[Cajuncowboy]

(stupid cowboy fans)

Hey it's like this. We said "Til death do us part." After that the contract is done and we get to do what we want.

 

[5Stars]

Hey it's like this. We said "Til death do us part." After that the contract is done and we get to do what we want.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

You have to love em...

 

[Cajuncowboy]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

Once again, you know not of what you speak.

The French's first physical involvement was mostly the French Navy and then when they did try to do something they got their rear ends kicked in Newport.

Then they sent over 3000 troops at Savannah and again got themselves and the Americans butchered.

It wasn't until Rochambeau landed that there was a marked increase in the number of troops but they were not able to do much because of their proximity to the British, again in Newport.

It wasn't until Washington and Rochambeau suggested that together they and another French General (Can't remember his name) decided to take on the British at Yorktown. That is where Cornwallis surrendered. It was a combined effort but to say the French WON the American Revolution shows a complete lack on knowledge of the events.

 

[Jammer]

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8

This stat is misleading. Take away the murders (sad, but true) and the traffic fatalities, our life expectancy pretty much leads the world. Life expectancy is not a true image of the healthcare in the United States of America.

 

[Hostile]

That was always my understanding but Hos provided some information that I don't recall reading before. Or possibly I forgot it because I'll be honest I've never dug very deep into the study of this particular set of events. It's just not something that I've been intently interested enough in to do any real research.

I know there is that book Helter Skelter that a lot of people have read, including my wife, but I've never even read that.

Does it give a lot of details on this case and the circumstances surrounding it?

This case has always fascinated me, and yes that book does give a lot of details. The actual crime scene photographs are online if anyone cares to go looking for them. They are very brutal.

I have always had a fascination with sociopaths. I've studied Jack the Ripper, Lizzy Borden, Dahmer, Bundy, Gein, the Nightstalker, Zodiac, and all kinds of these monsters. Manson is by far the most compelling to me.

Did any of you ever see the Manson Family Reunion on Geraldo? There are people from that group who still proclaim his innocence. Unreal.

One guy said Charlie was fun. So I guess fun people can't kill. The same guy, TJ I think was his name, admitted he was there when Manson shot a guy right in the chest. But he doesn't think he could kill anyone. How does that work?

Another person said Manson didn't kill anyone so he shouldn't be in jail. I gather these people do not know what conspiracy is. Perhaps they think Mafia dons and other underworld figures who order killings are innocent if minions carry them out since they have free will to walk away like these kids did.

It's nuts.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

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That's one way to look at it.

Or, maybe it just takes women more time to find their way to heaven. Women (on average) have a hard enough time finding a place even with a map and GPS. So, naturally ... it stands to reason that it would take them a lot longer to get find heaven also I kid.

 

[dez_for_prez]

This stat is misleading. Take away the murders (sad, but true) and the traffic fatalities, our life expectancy pretty much leads the world. Life expectancy is not a true image of the healthcare in the United States of America.

:laugh2: They are arguing over what country is better. I think the murder rate is rather important.
Also I noted the difference between the two is rather minamal.

 

[dez_for_prez]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

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You are reading my mind.