Marcel Dareus vs Cam Jordan

[acer941]

Who do u think is better for 3-4 end and why?

 

[realtick]

This shouldn't even be up for debate.

Cam Jordan > Dareus

Dareus has little to no repitiore of pass rush moves outside of a bullrush and club. He's too often stalemated at the LOS and disappears for series at a time. He's not stout enough to play nose and offers little as a 3-4 DE. He's at the top of my list as the most overhyped prospects in the draft.

 

[The Realist]

This shouldn't even be up for debate.

Cam Jordan > Dareus

Dareus has little to no repitiore of pass rush moves outside of a bullrush and club. He's too often stalemated at the LOS and disappears for series at a time. He's not stout enough to play nose and offers little as a 3-4 DE. He's at the top of my list as the most overhyped prospects in the draft.

Their 3-4 ends.

Dial em both up for 1-3 sacks average per year.

 

[CATCH17]

As of today? Dareus..

If we want to just do what we've done in the past with our D Ends?

Dareus.


If we're looking for more upside and a bigger playmaker? Jordan.



It just depends on what fits Ryans scheme and I don't know what that is.


For me I like them both but Jordans upside is phenomenal imo. I love the high motor guys.

 

[NeonNinja]

I would go with Jordan.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jordon is under weight for a 3-4 DE to start today at 287lbs. Marcell Dareus is listed at 306lbs which maybe slightly heavier that you want. (say 295lb minimum, 305lbs maximum)

If you want your DE to not be flashy and just straight up stop the run, I take Marcell. If you want a guy that can do more than stop the run, I go with Jordan.

I think if both are on the board, I take Jordan just because we aren't playing Bill Parcells brand of the 3-4 and there is a chance he could develop in the mold of Ratliff though probably not as dominate. That said, I wouldn't have a single problem taking Marcell either.

 

[The Realist]

Jordon is under weight for a 3-4 DE to start today at 287lbs. Marcell Dareus is listed at 306lbs which maybe slightly heavier that you want. (say 295lb minimum, 305lbs maximum)

If you want your DE to not be flashy and just straight up stop the run, I take Marcell. If you want a guy that can do more than stop the run, I go with Jordan.

I think if both are on the board, I take Jordan just because we aren't playing Bill Parcells brand of the 3-4 and there is a chance he could develop in the mold of Ratliff though probably not as dominate. That said, I wouldn't have a single problem taking Marcell either.

Dead on. Richard Seymour almost had what it took to be a good 3-4 DE if he wasn't over 305.

If I had to take one I'd take Dareus as SDE.....move Rat next to Ware and draft a NT behind Brent like Powe or Taylor.

 

[CATCH17]

Instead of spending a quality pick on a DE why don't we just chase Cullen Jenkins from Green Bay?

He is proven and can play both DE positions in a 3-4.

 

[CATCH17]

Dead on. Richard Seymour almost had what it took to be a good 3-4 DE if he wasn't over 305.

If I had to take one I'd take Dareus as SDE.....move Rat next to Ware and draft a NT behind Brent like Powe or Taylor.

I like the idea of Ware + Rat on one side.

But not if we're going to ask our DE's to contain.


My question is...


How does Rob Ryan use his Ends?

 

[YosemiteSam]

My question is...


How does Rob Ryan use his Ends?

I don't know, but I'm pretty damn excited to find out!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I like the idea of Ware + Rat on one side.

But not if we're going to ask our DE's to contain.


My question is...


How does Rob Ryan use his Ends?

From the size of them, I would say As Cushions to sit on.:

J/K.

Yeah I am curious how he sees their role as well. If he is someone who just wants them to contain the rush and rarely rush the passer...I would prefer we resign spears or draft a DE later.

 

[The Realist]

I like the idea of Ware + Rat on one side.

But not if we're going to ask our DE's to contain.


My question is...


How does Rob Ryan use his Ends?

I don't get the confusion as to how Ryan uses his ends.

3-4 DE's all do the basically same thing unless they are agile enough to rush inside or out in nickel.

Wade came in and told us he 1 gaps his DL.

Yes, his name is Ratliff.

 

[TheCount]

To me, Cam looks like a very good pass rushing DE in the 4-3 and not like a 3-4 DE at all.

 

[The Realist]

The two best pass rushing 3-4 DE's in the last 10 years or so.

Richard Seymour 4.8 sacks per year.

Aaron Smith 4.4 sacks per year.

Not that sacks are the only thing that matters, but I'm not taking a DE this high unless it's Bruce Smith or Reggie White type guy. Peppers.

He's not in this draft and same 3-4 DE can be had in 2-3.

 

[Marktui]

Who do u think is better for 3-4 end and why?

Watching senior bowl practices, Jordan is going up against the 3 top rated tackles in the draft and he is holding his own. He has good speed and uses his hands really well when rushing the qb. at 6'4 290, he has good size to be the DE position in our 3/4. Similar to Hatcher in build, but looks more explosive than Hatch.

Dareus has a big frame and looks more suited to play DT in a 4/3. He has no speed to get around the edge.

If I had the choice in would be Jordan. He can play DT in the nickel and play DE in the base. He looks like a player. Good motor as well. Dareus has been known to wear down.

 

[Marktui]

Instead of spending a quality pick on a DE why don't we just chase Cullen Jenkins from Green Bay?

He is proven and can play both DE positions in a 3-4.

He is 30 years old. We need to draft players for this defense for the long run. Jenkins is good, but he is on the wrong side of 30, those big guys tend to break down more often.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jordan.

No question.

 

[realtick]

Dead on. Richard Seymour almost had what it took to be a good 3-4 DE if he wasn't over 305.

If I had to take one I'd take Dareus as SDE.....move Rat next to Ware and draft a NT behind Brent like Powe or Taylor.

Lol, then you're effectively advocating taking another Marcus Spears at #9. It's a broke philosophy if you think 3-4 aren't supposed to bring QB pressure.

Spears was actually a good pass rusher at LSU. Unfortunately, Dareus has the same issues Spears did coming to the NFL; he lacks a solid pass rushing repitiore outside of a bullrush.

Further, Dareus' motor is questionable as he disappears in games for stretches and is not to be confused as an effort guy.

People have the tendancy to want to conveinently categorize guys into groups. For example:

I'm sure you've heard this..."If you want a guy to make plays then you want Patrick Peterson...If you want a guy to shutdown a receiver then you want Prince Amakamura..."

Now folks want to insinuate Cam Jordan is the pass rushing threat, while Dareus is the run stopper...

Here's news folks, two things can be equally true: Cam Jordan is the better pass rusher and is just as effective defending the run, if not better than Dareus.

 

[CATCH17]

Lol, then you're effectively advocating taking another Marcus Spears at #9. It's a broke philosophy if you think 3-4 aren't supposed to bring QB pressure.

Spears was actually a good pass rusher at LSU. Unfortunately, Dareus has the same issues Spears did coming to the NFL; he lacks a solid pass rushing repitiore outside of a bullrush.

Spears was unbelievable in college.

He WAS Marcel Dareus with more athletic ability.

 

[The Realist]

Lol, then you're effectively advocating taking another Marcus Spears at #9. It's a broke philosophy if you think 3-4 aren't supposed to bring QB pressure.

Spears was actually a good pass rusher at LSU. Unfortunately, Dareus has the same issues Spears did coming to the NFL; he lacks a solid pass rushing repitiore outside of a bullrush.

I'm far from advocating 3-4 DE at 9.

The best pass rushers at 3-4 DE for the last 10 years or so.

Seymour 4.8 sacks per year.

Aaron Smith 4.4 sacks per year.

I'll take a 3-4 DE high when I see Peppers, Mario, Bruce or Reggie.