Marinelli input in '15 draft

[Cowboy from New York]

Now that we have him under contract and we assume this will be a defensive draft, does anyone have any insight or stories in to Marinelli's ability to pick talent coming out of the draft? We have all read the stories about him telling the brain trust he could do without the 1st round pick previously which allowed us to go O-line and that played out so well for us, but with defense the obvious need for this draft I would like to know if he can help pick players well. Thanks.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Now that we have him under contract and we assume this will be a defensive draft, does anyone have any insight or stories in to Marinelli's ability to pick talent coming out of the draft? We have all read the stories about him telling the brain trust he could do without the 1st round pick previously which allowed us to go O-line and that played out so well for us, but with defense the obvious need for this draft I would like to know if he can help pick players well. Thanks.

Yes good question:

1. For one thing Marinelli was instrumental in getting Frederick here. Dallas was supposed to draft Sheriff Floyd. But with his input we were able to trade that pick to San Fran which got us Frederick and Williams. So based on his input we were able to stray away from a potential bust to a reliable probowl center and dependable 2nd receiver.

2. Last years draft focused on defense. I think he influenced our draft board on who to pick. We targeted Barr, Donald, and Shizner. When those were off the board thats when we took Martin. We traded up for Lawrence with our 3rd pick because he said that he was the last natural passrushers in the draft.

What I can conclude from this is that Marinelli wants natural passrushers and knows one when he see's it. It may sound obvious to us. But for the FO it wasn't clear cut because we were willing to select Floyd. So gotta give props to Marinelli from avoiding that disaster.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

JG respects his input. You can absolutely believe that any defensive player we pick he'll have had his say.

 

[thunderpimp91]

who really knows how much say he has had in drafts over the years. Looking back he didn't have too much success with his time in Detroit and no real impact players that i really remember them drafting on the defensive side of the ball other than maybe Cliff Avril? Similar with Chicago. I know there were a few decent players, (Conti, Paea, ect.) but nothing earth shattering.

What i find optimistic is what he has done with recent picks this season. I give him a lot of credit for the development of guys like Crawford, Hitchens, Lawrence. I'm not crazy about his schemes, but it seems like no one underachieves under Rod.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yes good question:

1. For one thing Marinelli was instrumental in getting Frederick here. Dallas was supposed to draft Sheriff Floyd. But with his input we were able to trade that pick to San Fran which got us Frederick and Williams. So based on his input we were able to stray away from a potential bust to a reliable probowl center and dependable 2nd receiver.

2. Last years draft focused on defense. I think he influenced our draft board on who to pick. We targeted Barr, Donald, and Shizner. When those were off the board thats when we took Martin. We traded up for Lawrence with our 3rd pick because he said that he was the last natural passrushers in the draft.

What I can conclude from this is that Marinelli wants natural passrushers and knows one when he see's it. It may sound obvious to us. But for the FO it wasn't clear cut because we were willing to select Floyd. So gotta give props to Marinelli from avoiding that disaster.

Very good points. Most of the defensive players from the draft that Dallas was rumored to be in on have seemed to be successful this past season. Who knows if thats all Rod or not, but it certainly makes me feel good about the 2015 draft.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Very good points. Most of the defensive players from the draft that Dallas was rumored to be in on have seemed to be successful this past season. Who knows if thats all Rod or not, but it certainly makes me feel good about the 2015 draft.

Yeah I should have stated that I read it on the Internet and not make claims that I got from inside sources. All I know is that these two drafts they leaned towards his input enough to sway the FO to not draft Sheriff Floyd and to trade up for Lawrence.

 

[d_dub88]

I hope Rod is thinking secondary.

 

[TonyS]

I hope Rod is figuring out how to blitz or otherwise get to the QB. We could make our secondary look like probowlers with a semblance of a pass rush.

 

[Cowboy from New York]

who really knows how much say he has had in drafts over the years. Looking back he didn't have too much success with his time in Detroit and no real impact players that i really remember them drafting on the defensive side of the ball other than maybe Cliff Avril? Similar with Chicago. I know there were a few decent players, (Conti, Paea, ect.) but nothing earth shattering.

What i find optimistic is what he has done with recent picks this season. I give him a lot of credit for the development of guys like Crawford, Hitchens, Lawrence. I'm not crazy about his schemes, but it seems like no one underachieves under Rod.

I think the Marinelli years in Detroit coincided with the Millen as GM years. AS for Chicago draft picks I would be interested to hear about picks there and how they panned out. He obviously would have had input in them.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Think this is his draft to get the missing players and also FA's

 

[MRV52]

Is our secondary really all that bad? I don't think it is because if you can't get to the QB, it is a huge problem and not even the best of corners can cover for so long.

 

[jobberone]

I hope Rod is figuring out how to blitz or otherwise get to the QB. We could make our secondary look like probowlers with a semblance of a pass rush.

He's not a big blitzer but we don't do it well and I suspect the biggest problem is leaving the CBs on an island with suspect safety help over the top. Better front 4 pressure will allow better blitzing. Better CB and S play makes blitzing less of a risk.

 

[Dwight]

I hope Rod is thinking secondary.

If he is then Jerry should have second thoughts of resigning him.

Dallas needs talent on the defensive line.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think our secondary has major problems, but I think replacing Carr, adding a future replacement for Claiborne, will solve that problem.

Basically you need to replace Carr, and demote everyone by a spot.

1. Carr Replacement
2. Rookie CB
3. Scandrick
4. Moore
5. Patmon

But fixing the pass rush comes first.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Is our secondary really all that bad? I don't think it is because if you can't get to the QB, it is a huge problem and not even the best of corners can cover for so long.

Rogers had all day to throw and at times couldn't find anyone open . Thats not the problem of the secondary. Its a passrush problem.

 

[Eskimo]

The scheme itself really focuses on the DL getting up the field into the pass rush and kind of leaving much of the rushing attack to be handled on the way to the QB or funnelled to the LBs. Since the DL get this advantage in their attack there is less need to blitz so long as the DL are proficient at applying pressure.

So the scheme is really geared towards pressuring upfront and not blitzing. It is also geared towards attacking the football with defenders in zone coverage much of the time and this has allowed us to be towards the top of the league in TOs forced the past couple of years.

I do hope we continue on with this scheme as I do think it allows us to target players who can be successful here who may not fit other schemes quite as well. This makes it easier to find fits in the draft and FA since you aren't competing with everyone else who is looking for the same kind of players.

 

[tico]

Maybe Rod can get Tillman or Briggs to come over for cheap...

 

[ConstantReboot]

who really knows how much say he has had in drafts over the years. Looking back he didn't have too much success with his time in Detroit and no real impact players that i really remember them drafting on the defensive side of the ball other than maybe Cliff Avril? Similar with Chicago. I know there were a few decent players, (Conti, Paea, ect.) but nothing earth shattering.

What i find optimistic is what he has done with recent picks this season. I give him a lot of credit for the development of guys like Crawford, Hitchens, Lawrence. I'm not crazy about his schemes, but it seems like no one underachieves under Rod.

I would take Paea over anything on our Dline right now. In fact, he would be the perfect player to replace Hayden. It would be an instant upgrade to our Dline without having to break the bank. I have the gut feeling Marinelli will get him here if he becomes a FA.

 

[therock1982]

im not to concerned about rods in put on the draft.Let will mclay do his work and find us some talent and let rod do his work and coach it up and get it to hustle

 

[Fmart322]

Marinelli's teams since 2006 and their drafts.

Marinelli coached Detroit from 2006-2008.
http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.php?o=by_team&TeamID=9020

Chicago bears 2009-2012

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0810&type=team

Dallas Cowboys 2013-present

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXdalXX2013_draft.htm&t=all_team_draft