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YosemiteSam

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peplaw06;1088185 said:
The noise hurts in audibling. He would have to go back up to the line so they could hear him.

I said it should never be an excuse for a false start. Audibling is a different story as it was called an Audible for a reason. Audibly changing the play at the line of scrimage. :)
 

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CaptainAmerica;1088167 said:
All these excuses for why we can't use it are ridiculous.

Almost every team in the league uses it, but we have a C and QB who can't.

Bledsoe has used it before. I'm not saying it's the "cure-all" to our problems, but it does have some advantages. For all the teams that use it, they do so because it has advantages, not because it looks pretty.

I agree with you. The excuses are somewhat lame. Gurode can practice snapping the ball in the shotgun or Dallas can alternate centers again. Crowd noise is nullified by going to a silent count when in the Shotgun.

The issue with audibles can be rectified by getting the plays in much quicker, much like the Colts, so Bledsoe will have more time to survey the defense and make changes where necessary. With more time on the play clock he can walk near the line make a sight adjustment and relay it to the offense then still get the play off in time.

Not seeing the coverage for a split second is crap as well. Yes the QB needs to see the ball into his hands but it is merely for a milisecond. When a QB playactions or runs a designed bootleg, he has to take his eyes off the coverage as well yet Dallas runs these plays.

The Shotgun needs to be used to hide some of Bledsoe's deficiencies as well as accentuate his positives. Coach Parcells used it in New York with Simms and Hostetler (ck. sp.) and when he had Bledsoe in New England, so it is not foreign to him.
 

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juckie;1088147 said:
hit the nail on the head.Where is the shotgun? he said.Coming from a man who also needed the shotgun to be effective I think Dallas will use it more and more now.


Agreed:suxiggle:
 

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Shotgun or replace slow DB. Yes, in shotgun formation the QB could step back a step or two but that is less than half of the steps when lining up behind the center. DB is slower than his rookie years. C'mon Bill, gotta adapt to the slower Bledsoe or put Romo in.
 

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peplaw06;1088155 said:
Also... and I dont know if this was discussed earlier this week.... but Norm was talking about why the shotgun wouldn't work. Besides Gurode having trouble snapping it, Bledsoe would still take a drop back after the shotgun. Starting 4 yards or so back, then dropping another 3-5 steps would put him 8 yards or so behind the LOS. That would allow the DEs to rush almost straight upfield. When they rush straight upfield, Bledsoe would have to step up into a pocket that is collapsing from the middle, since the middle of the OL wasn't doing the job either. Then if the OL still couldn't get them blocked, then a Bledsoe sack would cost us more yardage. No thanks.

The solution is better blocking with fewer mental errors. Easier said than done, but maybe they just had a bad game.

This is all very fixable. When I was coaching my peewee league football team, I decided to incorporate the shotgun into our offense too. The problem was that my 11-year-old qb would then continue to drop back an additional 4 or 5 steps backwards after getting the snap. In a desperate attempt to prevent him from doing this, I did what any super football genius coach would do - I put a shock collar on the neck of my quarterback.

Everytime the little tyke had the ball hiked to him from the shotgun position, if he so much had taken an inch backwards, I would immediately "zap" him as punishment for his mistake. After about 5 or 6 "zaps" (including a few accidents where he pissed all over himself), he started finally getting it and would only move up into the pocket when his protection started breaking down. This technique proved so successful that I started incorporating the shotgun into every other play when we were on offense.

And even though we only won 1 game that entire season, I still felt strongly that we could have been a .500 team the following year had it not been for the major lawsuit I was facing by the parents of the quarterback.

Sheesh! You'd think that they would have appreciated the efforts that I had taken to make their son a better player.


;)
 

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how about a more mobile QB who can sidestep the rush and buy a few extra seconds...like say.....Tony Romo?
 

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Draegerman;1088403 said:
This is all very fixable. When I was coaching my peewee league football team, I decided to incorporate the shotgun into our offense too. The problem was that my 11-year-old qb would then continue to drop back an additional 4 or 5 steps backwards after getting the snap. In a desperate attempt to prevent him from doing this, I did what any super football genius coach would do - I put a shock collar on the neck of my quarterback.

Everytime the little tyke had the ball hiked to him from the shotgun position, if he so much had taken an inch backwards, I would immediately "zap" him as punishment for his mistake. After about 5 or 6 "zaps" (including a few accidents where he pissed all over himself), he started finally getting it and would only move up into the pocket when his protection started breaking down. This technique proved so successful that I started incorporating the shotgun into every other play when we were on offense.

And even though we only won 1 game that entire season, I still felt strongly that we could have been a .500 team the following year had it not been for the major lawsuit I was facing by the parents of the quarterback.

Sheesh! You'd think that they would have appreciated the efforts that I had taken to make their son a better player.


;)

And when he gets his scholarship to play QB in college they will never remember you.

If they had used the collar at home at time or two, like any good parent does, it would not have taken 5 or 6 zaps.
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Draegerman;1088403 said:
This is all very fixable. When I was coaching my peewee league football team, I decided to incorporate the shotgun into our offense too. The problem was that my 11-year-old qb would then continue to drop back an additional 4 or 5 steps backwards after getting the snap. In a desperate attempt to prevent him from doing this, I did what any super football genius coach would do - I put a shock collar on the neck of my quarterback.

Everytime the little tyke had the ball hiked to him from the shotgun position, if he so much had taken an inch backwards, I would immediately "zap" him as punishment for his mistake. After about 5 or 6 "zaps" (including a few accidents where he pissed all over himself), he started finally getting it and would only move up into the pocket when his protection started breaking down. This technique proved so successful that I started incorporating the shotgun into every other play when we were on offense.

And even though we only won 1 game that entire season, I still felt strongly that we could have been a .500 team the following year had it not been for the major lawsuit I was facing by the parents of the quarterback.

Sheesh! You'd think that they would have appreciated the efforts that I had taken to make their son a better player.


;)

You should be in prison just for the thought.
 

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slick325;1088229 said:
The issue with audibles can be rectified by getting the plays in much quicker, much like the Colts, so Bledsoe will have more time to survey the defense and make changes where necessary.
This is a point I tried to relay in one of my posts earlier this week. If you get the play in and get to the LOS with 15 seconds left on the clock, at some point the blitz has to show itself. You will know exactly where it's coming from, therefore, everyone (the line/QB/WR/ etc) will know where the blitz should come from, you can audible and set up your blocking schemes. But when it's 5 secs left on the play clock, the defense can wait until the last second to show it's hand with regards to the blitz.

ghst187;1088444 said:
how about a more mobile QB who can sidestep the rush and buy a few extra seconds...like say.....Tony Romo?
Funny you say that. Everyone's talking about this and that, and the oline and whatever, but let's look at it.

Drew Bledsoe backs up, sacked from a blitz, or arm hit and INT. McKnabb backs up, corner blitz comes (Ellis doesn't come from the corner and has an instant beat on McNabb) McNabb "doesn't" scramble, but moves up 1 foot to avoid Ellis, fires a TD pass to Baskett.

Moral of the story is:
You don't have to scramble, just freaking move out of the way sometimes
 

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Mr Cowboy;1088181 said:
It is not Gurode with the problem, Bledsoe has said he does not like the shotgun..........he doesn't like it because he has to take his eyes off the coverage to catch the snap.

Maybe not looking at the defense will help lower his interception rate for a change. :D
 
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