Marino voted to Pro Bowl after ony 9 starts...

[stealth]

I forgot how good marino was, shame for him not to ever won the super bowl. Lets sign his as a back up so he can get his ring.

 

[Established1971]

Fiveandcounting: Wow didn't know that about Staubach. His being voted to the pro bowl in 71 along with Marino's many years later certainly indicates to all those opposing Romo's selection only cause he started in only 8 games need to reevaluate their ideas. On other hand as a Cowboy fan, gotta admit that Romo is sure in real good company. We can only hope he plays anywhere near the level of those 2 great HOF QBs. Wonder what those TV pundits on the sports shows would say when info re Staubach & Marino going to pro bowl with similarly few starts would have to say. If they don't believe Romo should go cause he started so few games, then they better be prepared say same thing about Staubach and Marino.

Abolutely. I know that Staubach had started one game earlier game that year (maybe Morton was banged up) and game 7 of that year was the infamous game where Landry had Morton and Staubach alternate plays, if you can beleive that. They lost that game to the Bears and were 4-3. Staubach was then named starter and they went 11-3 and won the SB. Now I cannot swear he was chosen to the Pro Bowl on the first ballot, so to speak and wasnt a later replacement. But he was in that Pro Bowl. If anyone on the board knows please share.

 

[coach316]

So this "having no defense forced 2 turnovers......hmmm....

No, giving up 537 yards and 5 TD's is having no defense

The Dolphins set a Super Bowl record for least rush attempts in a game (9).
They didnt even try. Thats the problem. They abandoned the run. Sometimes you need to run even if you dont see results right away.

And why did they do that? Either the running game wasn't working because it was putrid, or the defense allowed way too many points and they were forced to play catch up. Once again, does our Saints game ring a bell to you?

In the second period, the 49ers began to take control of the game. Safety Dwight Hicks broke up two consecutive Marino passes, and the Dolphins were forced to punt from their own 10-yard line.
They werent using the running game. 2.8 ypc x 2 instead of 2 inc passes leaves you with 3 and about 5ish. hmmm...

So you some up the entire game on one series? Interesting.....

Again... no rushing attempts. They saw Marino as one dimension and he didnt help his cause.

I think you meant to say they saw the offense was one-dimensional. Not the QB's fault that the entire offense is one-dimensional and they have to rely on the QB to win games. Did you overlook Elway's performances when he was playing in one-dimensional offenses?

 

[joseephuss]

Not a Marino or a Favre hater. They are amazing to watch.... but it is well known that both teams/coaches put it on the QB's... they let the QB's deviate away from running game, QB's have more say than the coaches in those two cases... etc...

Those two were more about passing... than TEAM. Talk about TO... hmmph!

I think I lost you. Isn't the coaches responsiblity to call the plays? They are the ones that neglected the running game, not the QB.

Marino was great. He would probably had been the greatest if he could have won a SB or two. Winning it all is a team accomplishment and not once in Marino's career would I say the Dolphins had the best team. He was on some very good teams, but Miami faced a better team in San Fran in the Superbowl and other better AFC teams along the way later in his career to keep him from going back to the SB. He played some stinkers in the post season and he also played some good games, yet his team lost. He was not the biggest problem for them not winning it all. If you put any of the other all time greats on those Dolphins teams, the Fins probably still aren't good enough to win a SB.

 

[joseephuss]

Troy Aikman had to play a one dimensional game against San Fran in 1994 and Dallas lost. I guess Aikman made the decision to forego the team and just try passing the ball to win.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Uh oh! I guess some in here have some SPLAININ' to do, being that they don't feel that Tony is deserving of a Pro Bowl.

Ludicrous, Fletch, Ludicrous.

 

[adamknite]

Marino played in 18 playoff games, in 13 of those games he threw atleast one intercepion, in 10 he threw 2 or more. The Dolphins were 1-9 in those 10 multi-interception games.

 

[burmafrd]

As usual that only tells part of the story. Like WHEN were the INTs thrown?
Maybe in the last few minutes down by 14? Hail Mary?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Marino played in 18 playoff games, in 13 of those games he threw atleast one intercepion, in 10 he threw 2 or more. The Dolphins were 1-9 in those 10 multi-interception games.

and it was EVERYONE else fault! Arent you reading the posts in this thread?

Look... YES... Favre and Marino are GREAT in many respects when it comes to QB's... just not so much when it REALLY matters.... Peyton is this generations Marino. Brady is Joe.

 

[adamknite]

Playoff Games

1983 - Seattle
Loss 27-20
15-25 193 yrds. 2TDs 2INTs


1984 - Seattle
Win 31 - 10
21-34 262 yrds. 3TD's 2INTs


1984 Steelers
Win 45 - 28
21-32 421yrds 4TDs 1INT

1984 - 49ers SuperBowl
Loss
29-50 318 1TD 2INTs


1985 - Cleveland
Win 24-21
25-45 238yrds 1TD 1INT

1985 - New England
Loss 31-14
20-48 248 2TDs 2INTs


1986
Didn't make the playoffs. 8-8

1987
Didn't make the playoffs. 7-5

1988
Didn't make the playoffs 6-10

1989
Didn't make the playoffs 8-8

1990 - Kansas City
Win 17-16
19-30 221yrds. 2TDs 0INTs

1990 - Buffalo
Loss 44-34
23-49 323 3TDs 2INTs

1991
Didn't make the playoffs 8-8

1992 - San Diego
Win 31 - 0
17-29 169yards 3TDs 0INTs

1992 - Buffalo
Loss 29-10
22-45 268yards 1TD 2INTs

1993
Did not make Playoffs 4-1

 

[adamknite]

1994- Kansas City
Win 24-14
22-29 257 2TDs 0INTs

1994 - San Diego
Loss 22-21
24-38 262 3TDs 0INTs


1995 - Buffalo
Loss 37-22
33-64 422 2TDs 3INTs


1996
Missed Playoffs 7-6

1997 - New England
Loss 17-3
17-43 141 0TDs 2INTs

1998 - Buffalo
Win 24 - 17
23 - 34 235 1TD 1INT

1998 - Denver
Loss 38-3
26-37 243 0TDs 2INTs

1999 - Seattle
Win 20-17
17-30 192 1TD 0INT

1999 - Jaxonville
62 - 7
11-25 95 1TD 2INT

 

[burmafrd]

When the INTS happened is more important. Did it change the game- or was it a last gasp. Bare statistics sometimes lie.

 

[adamknite]

When the INTS happened is more important. Did it change the game- or was it a last gasp. Bare statistics sometimes lie.

Dude... read this very carefully.... not every Interception he has ever thrown has been in garbage time..... I've not watched every mother----ing game Dan Marino has ever played I wasn't even born when he started his career...how about you give me some statistic that says which interceptions were thrown late in games when down by a lot instead of me doing the stat work, does that sound fair to you? Until you can give me some solid facts to support your argument you can shut the hell up..... deal?

You can't say "well stats sometimes lie" without having any kind proof showing a breakdown of every play of the game. All I can do is give you the straight facts as I know them. out of 18 playoff games he's thrown 32 TDs and 22 INTs. He had 10 playoff games with 2 or more INTs and in those games they lost 9 of them.... that's all I know

 

[coach316]

out of 18 playoff games he's thrown 32 TDs and 22 INTs.

That's just a couple games more than a complete season of regular games. How many would take those stats from their QB in the regular season? I would. If you look at his regular season stats, the 32-22 ratio is right in line with them. In fact the post-season TD/INT ratio you listed is just a few points short of his career TD/INT ratio.

Regardless of the stats, it still doesn't prove that the QB is solely responsible for winning or losing a SuperBowl game or a playoff game for that matter. To say that Marino is the only person responsible for not having a ring is absurd.

 

[adamknite]

That's just a couple games more than a complete season of regular games. How many would take those stats from their QB in the regular season? I would. If you look at his regular season stats, the 32-22 ratio is right in line with them. In fact the post-season TD/INT ratio you listed is just a few points short of his career TD/INT ratio.

Regardless of the stats, it still doesn't prove that the QB is solely responsible for winning or losing a SuperBowl game or a playoff game for that matter. To say that Marino is the only person responsible for not having a ring is absurd.

I don't believe anybody said he was the "only" reason, it's just somebody implied he shouldn't take any of the blame. They were destroyed the SuperBowl he played in and were completely emberessed his last ever game against Jax, so he obviously wasn't the only reason but in some of those losses he played his part. Sure 32 TDs and 22INTs isn't terrible, but 10 games out of 18 with multiple INT's isn't very flattering, espcially considering since they're playoff games so he's supposed to be elevating his play.

 

[burmafrd]

Its real easy to talk about games you never saw. I remember watching Marino and thinking that its almost as bad in some cases as it was with Manning in NO- a reallygreat QB stuck in a not very good situation. I did mention how poor the running game was in virtually Marino's entire career.
You talk about raising the level of his game- he did. Unfortunately when you have a team that is not that good to begin with it usually does not do that much good. Shula, frankly, should have been fired about 6-7 years before he quit. Jimmy did very little himself and by then Marino was worn out. I consider Marino the finest QB to have never won a SB; better then Kelly, for certain.

 

[adamknite]

Its real easy to talk about games you never saw. I remember watching Marino and thinking that its almost as bad in some cases as it was with Manning in NO- a reallygreat QB stuck in a not very good situation. I did mention how poor the running game was in virtually Marino's entire career.
You talk about raising the level of his game- he did. Unfortunately when you have a team that is not that good to begin with it usually does not do that much good. Shula, frankly, should have been fired about 6-7 years before he quit. Jimmy did very little himself and by then Marino was worn out. I consider Marino the finest QB to have never won a SB; better then Kelly, for certain.

You're trying to say that Marino deserves no blame in the losses but all the praise for the wins? Look, I'm not argueing Marino's greatness, I'm just stating a fact and that is Marino didn't lose those games by himself but he also shouldn't be exempt from all the blame. Lets be honest here, some of those games marino could have played better and some of those games the team around him let him down. To say he played awesome in every playoff game he ever played and it was the team around him that caused him to lose is not very intelligent. Not every game where he threw 2+ interceptions were blow outs a lot of those games were very fairly close.

Here's an example our defence got blown apart by the Saints, but that doesn't mean Romo didn't play his part in the loss. Was it Romo's fault we lost the game? NO! Did he play so great that the blame should fall slowly on the rest of the team not playing up to his level? NO!

Marino is the best QB to never win a Super Bowl, right up there with Fran Tarkenton{sp} and Jim Kelly, probably better than both. Is it Jim Kelly's fault the Bills couldn't when a SB in 4 attempts, I don't think so, but he sure as heck didn't play very well in a few of those games, but that doesn't mean it's completely his fault and it isn't the fault of the whole team except him.

 

[burmafrd]

Never claimed that Marino did not deserve PART of the blame- but a couple posters in this thread pretty much claimed it was all his fault. To win a SB you need to be a complete team- or have such a great D that it can win it pretty much itself. Marino never had a team that was close to either. He never had a top D, never had a real good Running Game. You tell me what teams won a SB that did not have a great D without a running game.

 

[adamknite]

Never claimed that Marino did not deserve PART of the blame- but a couple posters in this thread pretty much claimed it was all his fault. To win a SB you need to be a complete team- or have such a great D that it can win it pretty much itself. Marino never had a team that was close to either. He never had a top D, never had a real good Running Game. You tell me what teams won a SB that did not have a great D without a running game.

Well, your argument made it sound as if Marino shouldn't get any of the blame and it rests solely on the team around him. If that was not your intentions then I'm sorry about misunderstanding. As long as we both agree and are Cowboy fans things are right in the world lolZ.