Mark My Words

[dbair1967]

What makes you think that Garrett, is all that and a bag of chips....I haven’t seen anything from him at all......NADA. Zip... rein du Tu... Please explain to me what you think he has shown glimmers of brilliance
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Gee I dunno, record setting yr out of our QB last yr perhaps?

 

[BigDFan5]

Whenn should I start the rue'ing?

 

[rcaldw]

If thats the case then Garrett is as weak as the rest of the staff. If Garrett lets himself get overruled, hes the same as you say Wade is.





Well that settles it, I guess.



It is a circus but IMO he is thinking about leaving because he can ONLY lose. If he stays and doesn't produce a monster offense, hes screwed. If he stays and produces an offense, what the hell happened this year? Hes in a situation where he needs to strike while the iron is hot. Garrett is going to do what is best for him. He has a built-in excuse in Detriot. If he is offered the job, I think he goes and won't be sad to see it.

There are plenty of teams getting a lot more from their offense with a lot less talent. If Garrett goes and blows up somewhere else, so be it. 13th best on offense doesn't cut it. Ill take my chances that someone can get a little more out of this team.

So, I guess you aren't settled that Wade is weak? You think he is strong? Ok.

Are you serious about Garrett being weak if the QB audibles? Really? QB's never audible in the NFL? Cmon.

And in terms of this MONSTER offense, have you been listening to the general consensus of NFL people, past players, past front office people, since yesterday? Almost to a man they think that Dallas needs a coaching change. I haven't heard one so far who thinks that keeping Wade Phillips is the answer for this team.

I'm telling you that this team has a culture for losing, and it isn't a culture for success. Get Garrett into a position where he can dictate the culture and I think you will see positive results.

49ers under Mike Nolan 2-5

same team, same players, SAME SEASON, 49ers under Mike Singletary 5-4

 

[zeromaster]

Listen, I'm not a Jason Garrett apologist, I'm a Cowboys fan who can remember when this franchise was led by some high quality people and made their reputation on WINNING not on Jerry's flying circus.

Garrett, to me, from the way he carries himself to the way that the people who know him well talk about him, is a quality person. We know he is a bright guy. I think he will eventually do a great job in the NFL.

If you are going to argue "continuity", that would be the kind of guy you would do it with. Let him develop.

Instead, we are doing "continuity" with 62 year old captain cupcake, who on the very day he declares he is going to be different has his starting inside linebacker attack a fan. The two incidents are not directly connected, but are almost prophetic.

Like I said, I've been a fan of this team for over 30 years. I'll be around to admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong. We'll see.

Then we should not talk about competing for a championship while people are learning on the job. Continuity is laudable IF patience goes with it. The NFL is no longer about patience and tradition. It's about highlights and market share.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't pretend to know exactly what Garrett is trying to do offensively, but if it is according to what they ran in Dallas in the 90's then I know it is a timing based offense.

If that is the case, then the QB is supposed to make his reads, and the ball goes out quickly, on timing, on the 3rd, 5th or 7th step drop. Watch how Aikman ran it, WATCH PHILIP RIVERS right now running it in San Diego. It is a get the ball out fast offense.

I think that Tony Romo doesn't see the field that well, and I don't think he gets the ball out as fast as he should. His great success last year involved many, many times when he could stand back there forever until he found a guy. This year he didn't have the luxury and he didn't know where to go with the ball.

We will see. I know what I'm saying isn't popular, and I know everyone wants to believe its Garrett. Time will tell.

 

[zrinkill]

Gee I dunno, record setting yr out of our QB last yr perhaps?

once again

 

[Idgit]

I might agree with you rcaldw, but for none of the same reasons. I think a coaching staff of Garrett at HC and two experienced coordinators like Wade and, say, a Norv Turner in the coordinator roles could be very successful. Garrett is a quality guy and a talented coach. He's got significant shortcomings that were exposed this year, though, and he'd need backup to be successful early. Mike Singletary's another guy in a similar position.

You're nuts about Tony Romo, though.

 

[rcaldw]

Then we should not talk about competing for a championship while people are learning on the job. Continuity is laudable IF patience goes with it. The NFL is no longer about patience and tradition. It's about highlights and market share.

No, lets don't talk patience and continuity if the continuity is with people who will never win a championship. Wade Phillips approach won't do it. If you are going to practice patience, practice it with someone who either has potential, or his approach is proven to win.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't pretend to know exactly what Garrett is trying to do offensively, but if it is according to what they ran in Dallas in the 90's then I know it is a timing based offense.

If that is the case, then the QB is supposed to make his reads, and the ball goes out quickly, on timing, on the 3rd, 5th or 7th step drop. Watch how Aikman ran it, WATCH PHILIP RIVERS right now running it in San Diego. It is a get the ball out fast offense.

Larry Brown has said on some of the DC.com shows that, and this is pretty close to an exact quote, "I know what Norv Turner's offense looks like, and what Garrett is running is NOT a Norv Turner offense." Went on to say he didn't know what it was.

But you can tell that just by watching the Chargers play. They appear to have very little in common.

And I don't get what the "classy" comment meant about Garrett. What does "classy" have to do with it? It didn't help Garrett on 3rd and 1 this year.

 

[ilovejerry]

Gee I dunno, record setting yr out of our QB last yr perhaps?

One year doesn’t make a coach... Sean Peyton’s doing real good out in New Orleans. Do you think your going to get some hell bent madman in here to scare these multi-millionaires into playing when there’s a salary cap THINK again. Those days of Jimmy Johnson are over. Look at the Pats, You play there way TEAM football or your Gone! Yes they have a stud as a QB but are drafting every year replacements for there higher priced free agents. This team pays players an absorbent amount of money and then they die. And were stuck with them...I know were stuck with our GM. so it’s all a moot point. Just sit in and buckle up its going to be a long and bumpy ride my good man

 

[rcaldw]

LOL. I didn't think you had fully capitulated in that "I was wrong about Romo" thread.



You will never have credibility.

I don't measure my credibility by your view of things. Credibility requires OBJECTIVITY, an ability to acknowledge when are you wrong about something, as well as views that prove to be right over time. On top of that, I don't think anyone on a fan forum gets much with "credibility". I don't think the Cowboys are going to hire me or you anytime soon do you? This is simply a place for us to state our views. I've just done that. You have stated yours. Lets wait and see on this one. Garrett might be back in Dallas this next year. All I know is that if I was going to cut one of the two loose, I would cut Phillips loose and keep Garrett.

 

[rcaldw]

Larry Brown has said on some of the DC.com shows that, and this is pretty close to an exact quote, "I know what Norv Turner's offense looks like, and what Garrett is running is NOT a Norv Turner offense." Went on to say he didn't know what it was.

But you can tell that just by watching the Chargers play. They appear to have very little in common.

And I don't get what the "classy" comment meant about Garrett. What does "classy" have to do with it? It didn't help Garrett on 3rd and 1 this year.

You know what Lab, if what he is running ISN'T that offense, then fair enough. But I don't know how a guy who spent his entire time in that offense wouldn't have that as the basis for what he is trying to do. Again, I ask, could some of it be Romo?

Classy has to do with how you handle all kinds of situations, from how hard you work, to how you prepare for games, to the kind of players you bring in and find acceptable as members of the team you are trying to build. It has nothing to do with 3rd and 1, but it has everything to do with building a team and having a good season, year after year.

 

[ilovejerry]

I don't pretend to know exactly what Garrett is trying to do offensively, but if it is according to what they ran in Dallas in the 90's then I know it is a timing based offense.

If that is the case, then the QB is supposed to make his reads, and the ball goes out quickly, on timing, on the 3rd, 5th or 7th step drop. Watch how Aikman ran it, WATCH PHILIP RIVERS right now running it in San Diego. It is a get the ball out fast offense.

I think that Tony Romo doesn't see the field that well, and I don't think he gets the ball out as fast as he should. His great success last year involved many, many times when he could stand back there forever until he found a guy. This year he didn't have the luxury and he didn't know where to go with the ball.

We will see. I know what I'm saying isn't popular, and I know everyone wants to believe its Garrett. Time will tell.

This isn’t the 90's

and Romo isn’t a pimple on Aikman's arse... and Phillip Rivers (are you kidding) Please he is a nice little QB... and when I say little I mean little everytime he gets sacked its hold your breath time. He is what he is a competitive little bugger that is trying his best...Don't confuse that with a prototype QB..I don’t know if Garrett knows how to get the best out of him or what, but He needs much better protection then he is getting. And I’m not in favor of allot of Garrets play calling as well

 

[iceberg]

as long as i don't have to rue the day.

Whenn should I start the rue'ing?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

LOL @ OP!

Garrett wasn't part of the problem? Are you serious? Did you happen to watch that High School offensive scheme this year?

LOL! That's hilarious.

 

[rcaldw]

This isn’t the 90's

and Romo isn’t a pimple on Aikman's arse... and Phillip Rivers (are you kidding) Please he is a nice little QB... and when I say little I mean little everytime he gets sacked its hold your breath time. He is what he is a competitive little bugger that is trying his best...Don't confuse that with a prototype QB..I don’t know if Garrett knows how to get the best out of him or what, but He needs much better protection then he is getting. And I’m not in favor of allot of Garrets play calling as well

Rivers 2008:
2008 SDG 16 312 478 65.3 4009 8.4 34 67 11 105.5 (1st in NFL)

 

[rcaldw]

LOL @ OP!

Garrett wasn't part of the problem? Are you serious? Did you happen to watch that High School offensive scheme this year?

LOL! That's hilarious.

Yes, he most definitely WAS a part of the problem. Just not THE problem.

Jason Garrett = scapegoat for a Cowboys team that was poorly disciplined and sloppy all year long. That is on the head coach who has been enabled by the owner.

 

[Joe Realist]

I think Garrett would be ok. He was putting toegther a good bunch of assistants before turning the Ravens down.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh I'll give the rest of the staff it's credit. They have major issues and they can't fix everything with Garrett leaving. That is a no brainer.

But Garrett's piss poor ability to play call and his very vanilla offensive scheme was a huge problem this year, especially against quality teams.

The guy isn't a good OC, its just that simple.

 

[Route 66]

Wow, it's going to be a long off-season...