Marnelli On Det Roy Williams And Rogers...

[HardHittingRoy31]

Lions head coach Rod Marinelli said that the Lions won't give Shaun Rogers his outright release.
Rogers is due a $1 million bonus on March 2nd, and rumors had been swirling that the Lions would cut him loose before that date. Marinelli didn't deny the possibility that the Lions would trade Rogers, though, saying that the team would listen to offers for everyone - even Roy Williams - if would improve the team.
Source: MLive.com

 

[sjordan6]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receiver they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but could thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also allow newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE instead being an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receivers they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but to thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also also newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE inside of an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

I don't see that. Too many players involved. To be honest, I think a trade of Picks for Williams would make more sense. I probably wouldn't trade for Rogers, especially if it cost us Tank. That, to me, would be unwise. Tank is young and can play effective minutes at NT. Why trade him for a guy who maybe plays 50% of the snaps if he's healthy? Would be smart just to keep Fergy, who can still play and do a very nice job. Rogers is a dominating player when he's on the field but I would not make a trade for him. If he could be signed after he was released, then maybe that might not be a bad move. Would depend on cap implications etc.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What in the blue hell would we want Shaun "I like to disappear for 8-10 straight games a season" Rogers for?

That is the most idiotic trade idea I've seen yet. Yeah, sure, lets give up Johnson who we've got for peanuts in place of a guy whose only going to play if he has a HUGE contract.

Rogers will not be playing in Dallas. He's extremely talented but he's extremely lazy, has zero work ethic, and doesn't care in the least about actually being a dominate DT.

Roy Williams might wind up in Dalls but Shaun Rogers will not.

 

[jman]

What? No magic gum ball machine involved in this trade...No Deal.

 

[DCBoysfan]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receiver they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but could thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also allow newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE instead being an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

When Rogers played Dallas last year he was out of the game by the third play of the game, he is not in good shape which is the reason he is being traded. He wont be a Cowboy

 

[TellerMorrow34]

When Rogers played Dallas last year he was out of the game by the third play of the game, he is not in good shape which is the reason he is being traded. He wont be a Cowboy

EXACTLY! It's been his knock his whole career, going back to when he was in college.

Fantastic, fantastic talent. Could EASILY be the best DT in the entire NFL. Has no heart, desire, or determination to do so. He's fat, lazy, and doesn't care.

 

[sjordan6]

Rogers is still young and has a huge upside and sometimes players just need a change of address to rejuvenate their career ( i.e. Randy Moss). Rogers is a tackle who actually gets sacks. Besides, with the Cowboys he will not be asked to play as many plays because of fergie. I think he is worth the risk to get and i think the enviroment may just bring out the best. Some players simply need the right support cast around them and I think with him coming from Texas and playing with fellow longhorns like Davis and Williams the receiver, it might be just what he needs to get him back to the Pro Bowl.

I think this would be a great trade. Remember you guys was saying the same thing about Leonard Davis and see how it turned out. Going from a losing culture to a premier franchise could do wonders for a player and the team. I actually think he would be better at nose than both Ratliff and Fergie. The guy playing weight is 340. HUGE!

 

[jimmy40]

EXACTLY! It's been his knock his whole career, going back to when he was in college.

Fantastic, fantastic talent. Could EASILY be the best DT in the entire NFL. Has no heart, desire, or determination to do so. He's fat, lazy, and doesn't care.

Pretty much exactly what 95% of this forum was saying about Davis a year ago. Well, maybe not the fat part.

me included

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I wasnt saying anything like this about Davis. I was thrilled with the pickup of davis.

I just don't buy Rogers playing better. This isn't some knock that came to him in Detroit. He had one in college. He's played, to his potential, exactly one season of his career.

His contract year.

Sorry, but for my money (if it were my money), he's not worth the risk.

 

[notherbob]

(Sigh) It's going to be a long off-season.

 

[TheCount]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receiver they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but could thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also allow newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE instead being an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

You see this or you wish it? The situation you describe is so complicated it's near impossible.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

maybe something can be accomplished.

I just worry about Williams injuries......

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I definitely would be fuming if Dallas traded for Rogers, if they're going to release him of course the coach will not outright say it because they won't be able to get a potential draft pick for him...

 

[windward]

You see this or you wish it? The situation you describe is so complicated it's near impossible.

I know, this is not the NBA or MLB where we see six, seven, eight player trades.

 

[Hostile]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receiver they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but could thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also allow newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE instead being an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

Step away from the controller.


:madden:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rogers is still young and has a huge upside and sometimes players just need a change of address to rejuvenate their career ( i.e. Randy Moss). Rogers is a tackle who actually gets sacks. Besides, with the Cowboys he will not be asked to play as many plays because of fergie. I think he is worth the risk to get and i think the enviroment may just bring out the best. Some players simply need the right support cast around them and I think with him coming from Texas and playing with fellow longhorns like Davis and Williams the receiver, it might be just what he needs to get him back to the Pro Bowl.

I think this would be a great trade. Remember you guys was saying the same thing about Leonard Davis and see how it turned out. Going from a losing culture to a premier franchise could do wonders for a player and the team. I actually think he would be better at nose than both Ratliff and Fergie. The guy playing weight is 340. HUGE!

I've watched Rogers play since he was at UT. The poster that said he was as talented as they come, as good as he wants to be is right. Casey Hampton also played for that Horns team. Casey was far better, IMO, then Rogers but Rogers was so much more talented.

It is an interesting question you bring up. In truth, I am not against giving players a chance. However, why do this with Rogers, at the cost of Tank? Why not just take a chance on Frank Okam? Okam is very simular to Rogers, coming out. May be even more talented then Rogers was. Would be cheaper as well and wouldn't cost us a valuable player like Tank.

 

[big dog cowboy]

(Sigh) It's going to be a long off-season.

It's not even Feb yet either.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

As i have said before...I see the cowboys trading bobby carpenter, marcus spears, tank johnson, and sam hurd for roy williams and shaun rogers and switching draft choice of the cowboys 22nd for detroits 15th.

I think it is a win win for both sides. Detroits get rid of a player like rogers who they dont want and a player like williams who they dont want to pay with the addition of Charles Rogers and the other receiver they just paid.
Detroit also pick up players like Carpenter, who has been a bust in the 3-4 but could thrive in the 4-3, and Spears/Johnson who can bolster a defense they needs lineman and they too could play in a system more suited for their skills.

The Cowboys would be able to pick up a much needed young receiver to compliment T.O. and stretch the field. Rogers could also get a fresh start with a winning team and with his gigantic body, play the nose tackle position with Ferguson next season. this move would also allow newly signed ratliff to play his more naturally suited position of DE instead being an under size nose.

Of course this all will depend on Rogers redoing his contract and replacing that high base salary with a more cap friendly, incentive laden contract. Also the cowboys would have to sign Williams to a new contract because you dont want Owens and Williams going into next season after this upcoming one as free agents.

Do it Cowboys.

Too many players involved. Especially Tank Johnson who looked good in backup duty and is getting paid cheaply. Those are the type of players you keep around.

The other thing is you don't want to pick up other team's problems. I've got a friend that works as a Lions beat writer and has told me a long time ago the problems the team has had with Williams' and Rogers' attitude. Some really messy stuff. I'd rather see us attempt to get a WR through the draft. Owens and Glenn may have another year on them and if we can develop another WR through the draft and possibly Stanback, then we're in good shape. If not, chances are we can go after a WR in FA the next offseason since quality WR's are usually available in FA.

I'm also not big on trading Spears. I'd like to see him as a backup LDE behind Ratliff with Fergy/Tank playing the nose.

Carpenter we can trade anytime as far as I'm concerned.






YAKUZA

 

[FCBarca]

Come on, get real...Rogers???...Have you been watching this outta shape dude?...I wouldn't take him for free.