Marten best lineman last night

[dozin_theknick]

Like I borderline roster player who took advantage of some poor schlub?

Living where I do, I watch alot of Minni games and I have to say I think Robison is actually a decent player. At the very least a good situational DE on passing downs.

 

[aikemirv]

Our line looked worse and worse as the game went on but I also think the Vikes started blitzing and stunting a lot in the second half from what I saw so it really did not surprise me at the trouble the unit was having.

Robison had 4.5 sacks last year as a situational guy I believe so that is not too shabby.

 

[dcfanatic]

Marten and McQuistan may both be on the chopping block by tomorrow.

I think Berger was the best OL last night by far. He doesn't get pushed back at the point of attack like those two above and he can get into space and find someone to block.

Proctor is making the cut because he can play Center.

The Offensive Line was average at best in that game and that's th reason we only saw 16 (maybe should have been 19, but then again Folk had to kick two 50+ yarders as it was) points on the board.

 

[AbeBeta]

Marten and McQuistan may both be on the chopping block by tomorrow.

Cut? Hmm. I do see one on his way to Miami for Beck though.

 

[dcfanatic]

Cut? Hmm. I do see one on his way to Miami for Beck though.

We have no room for Beck because of injuries.

We are only keeping two QB's and they are Romo and Johnson.

 

[gimmesix]

In fairness to McQuistan, he's been plaing Tackle this whole time and was in the last minute -just before this game - thrudt into the LG spot. His flaw was playing too high -- kinda like a T needs to play. So to want to ship a good backup T off too Parcells because he can't switch and play G in a moment's pinch is just plain foolish.

The trouble is that he hasn't been a real good tackle this preseason. I don't know why but his play seems to have slipped rather than progressed ... and he's a point where he needs to be showing progress.

I've been on the McQuistan bandwagon for a while, even wanting him to be moved to guard and replace Kosier before now. But he's not playing at a level needed to be anyone's replacement.

 

[gimmesix]

Man, I'm going to have to go back and watch this closely, cause I trust your analysis gimmesix, but he's been terrible and the line was terrible last night so I just assumed he owned a good bit of blame.

It really caught me by surprise. They gave him help several times, but even when he was matched up 1-on-1 he handled his defender. There were some times when he came close to getting beat, but he recovered well and kept the quarterback from getting hit. I didn't follow him all the way through on his run blocks, but initially at least they looked solid and he had a couple where he pretty much stopped his man cold.

Based on his performance, I think we're miscasting him at the guard spot.

 

[gimmesix]

Marten and McQuistan may both be on the chopping block by tomorrow.

I think Berger was the best OL last night by far. He doesn't get pushed back at the point of attack like those two above and he can get into space and find someone to block.

Proctor is making the cut because he can play Center.

The Offensive Line was average at best in that game and that's th reason we only saw 16 (maybe should have been 19, but then again Folk had to kick two 50+ yarders as it was) points on the board.

Berger blew quite a few blocks and got pushed back a few times. He did show that he's good on the move, though.

 

[JBond]

I went back over the tape last night, specifically focusing on the offensive line, and was surprised to see James Marten have a really solid game at right tackle. Up until this game he was the odd man out, especially after acquiring Montrae Holland, but now I just think Dallas was trying at a position that's not a good fit for him. At tackle, he showed very good form, cutting off the inside rush and moving and sliding to push rushers wide on outside rushes. It might have been a product of whom he was facing, but he just played very well and I hope that after Dallas reviews the tape that it keeps him and leaves him at tackle.

The next-best lineman was probably Cory Proctor. Proctor didn't have many mistakes and he didn't get pushed back near as much as in previous games. He didn't move the line of scrimmage, but he didn't give up ground and he was technically strong. When moved to guard, he did allow a lineman to swim around him, but kept a hand on him (possibly held) to keep him from going to the quarterback.

After that, we weren't very good overall. Free was having a good game until his guy went wide to get around him and hit the quarterback twice (the first one was at least partly Bartel's fault for holding the ball too long). After that, he either overcompensated or lost confidence and was beaten several times.

Berger was very good on the move, but missed a stunt and was beaten a lot by an up-and-under move. For a guy who is supposed to be one of the strongest linemen in the weight room, he doesn't show a lot of strength on the field. I would not be comfortable with him in the starting lineup, but the only time he's consistently good is when he's pulling or going to the second level.

McQuistan was worst of all and did nothing to deserve to start. It's amazing to me that the guy who is supposed to be the most athletic lineman on the team shows no agility, no ability to adjust well in space. About the only positive I saw was good speed on screen. Other than that, he was beaten regularly often not getting low enough to keep his man from driving through him.

If I had to pick a lineman from this group to start at guard, I'd go with Proctor. He plays with good technique and doesn't get outright beat very often, so he's the safest choice even though he's not going to add anything to the line. But we'd be best off getting Holland ready.

The lineman that I would cut or attempt to pawn off on Parcells is McQuistan. I sort of dismissed the pretty rough preseason he had at right tackle, but his play at guard last night showed that he's not at the level of development we should expect at this point in his career. I know he hasn't played guard really since college, but we need more than what he has shown out of our backups and it's time to move on. ... If not McQuistan, then Berger because he hasn't shown much either, but at least he made a few key blocks, esp. on Tashard Choice's two TD runs in the preseason.

But I just read McQuistan ws the best of the bunch:



I watched McQuistan like a hawk. The video feed wasn't great at times, but I thought he played well and helped himself tonight. He held up nicely in pass protection, and he looked smooth to me in this area. I saw him doing a good job one-on-on and sliding and helping while pass blocking. He looked good on double teams. Also, I saw one play where he picked up a stunt perfectly on a pass play. He did get beat to the inside on one run play. Plus, he had a real nice block down the field that enabled the running back to pick up a first down. Finally, he moved really well. The returns are early, but he passed his test tonight from what I could see. Now, that is just my eyeball test. I don't know all the assignments in the blocking schemes. However, I thought McQuistan played good, and it looked liked he knew what he was doing. He played left guard, and they took him out with about 5 minutes left in the game.

When you consider the fact that Free struggled some at times, and Proctor isn't a good center, I think you have to be happy with his play.

I predict he starts against Cleveland. I bet his play will get even better when he plays between two legit Pro Bowlers.

P.S.

McQuistan had a key block on Felix Jones' 12 yard run to the outside. He pulled to his right and looked good moving on the play. He tried to cut a linebacker on the run. The linebacker backed up a little to protect himself, and McQuistan got just enough of him and kept him from getting an angle on Felix as he turned the corner.

 

[AbeBeta]

We have no room for Beck because of injuries.

We are only keeping two QB's and they are Romo and Johnson.

Why, so we can have an extra WR who is inactive on gameday? Doubt your thinking is correct here -- if a QB comes available we will grab him. It has already been made clear that Witten is going to take some of the 3rd WR snaps in Week 1.

 

[jobberone]

I'm not the best person to qualify offensive lineman but I thought they looked decent. I mean Bartel did pretty well last nite and you can't do that when you're running for your life. And we ran the ball well at times, too. Choice and Lattimore are players IMO. But I didn't look at the OL too much. Just thought the general perspective of how well the running and passing game world shed some light on their overall play.

 

[gimmesix]

But I just read McQuistan ws the best of the bunch:



I watched McQuistan like a hawk. The video feed wasn't great at times, but I thought he played well and helped himself tonight. He held up nicely in pass protection, and he looked smooth to me in this area. I saw him doing a good job one-on-on and sliding and helping while pass blocking. He looked good on double teams. Also, I saw one play where he picked up a stunt perfectly on a pass play. He did get beat to the inside on one run play. Plus, he had a real nice block down the field that enabled the running back to pick up a first down. Finally, he moved really well. The returns are early, but he passed his test tonight from what I could see. Now, that is just my eyeball test. I don't know all the assignments in the blocking schemes. However, I thought McQuistan played good, and it looked liked he knew what he was doing. He played left guard, and they took him out with about 5 minutes left in the game.

When you consider the fact that Free struggled some at times, and Proctor isn't a good center, I think you have to be happy with his play.

I predict he starts against Cleveland. I bet his play will get even better when he plays between two legit Pro Bowlers.

P.S.

McQuistan had a key block on Felix Jones' 12 yard run to the outside. He pulled to his right and looked good moving on the play. He tried to cut a linebacker on the run. The linebacker backed up a little to protect himself, and McQuistan got just enough of him and kept him from getting an angle on Felix as he turned the corner.

McQuistan had his moments ... and possibly all of them are listed here.

If I was at home, I'd rewind the tape and give you a blow by blow ... but the simple summary is that he played too high and got beat quite a bit by leverage and looked awkward and unathletic in space.

He was good at times, but not good enough.

 

[RCowboyFan]

McQuistan had his moments ... and possibly all of them are listed here.

If I was at home, I'd rewind the tape and give you a blow by blow ... but the simple summary is that he played too high and got beat quite a bit by leverage and looked awkward and unathletic in space.

He was good at times, but not good enough.

I don't need to watch tape and I commented that in the Live threads yesterday, that McQuistan was no where near ready to start in NFL. He was going high and seemed like his technique was pretty bad, on Run plays. He seems like did pretty decent on Pass blocking mostly, except for one or two plays.

 

[dcfanatic]

Why, so we can have an extra WR who is inactive on gameday? Doubt your thinking is correct here -- if a QB comes available we will grab him. It has already been made clear that Witten is going to take some of the 3rd WR snaps in Week 1.

If there is any QB in the entire world who would be the #3 it would be Bartel.

But with all these injuries we need extra room for a WR and an OLineman. Plus we are looking at keeping 6 CB's.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I really like all the young guys, but I wouldn't be against using a 1st or 2nd on an Olineman next year

 

[gimmesix]

I really like all the young guys, but I wouldn't be against using a 1st or 2nd on an Olineman next year

I'm probably judging them too strictly, but right now, the only young guy I really like is Free. McQuistan let me down; Berger didn't live up to the camp hype, and Proctor just isn't strong enough.

I throw Marten a mulligan since he absolutely blew at guard but looked natural at tackle last night.

 

[BouncingCheese]

I hope one of these guys can step up, especially mquistan, and take the job from Kosier. He does an okay job on the line, but he is the smallest starter by far, and gurode is constantly helping him out; and Flozell needs to do all he can to keep up with those sprinter DE's he needs to defend and LT.

 

[Bluefin]

Pat McQuistan had some good and bad, which was to be expected. If he's going to start for us, or even be a stopgap until Montrae Holland is ready, the key will be playing lower to maintain better leverage.

I did enjoy seeing McQ get out on a screen pass and knock two defenders down, one at the whistle, helping the back to positive yardage.

You can watch that play on the highlight video at dallascowboys.com's media section. It takes place at the 3:06 mark near the end of the clip.

 

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