"Martyball" and the passage of time

[Established1971]

Chiefs didn't exist before Marty.
And Marty did make it to a championship game with the greatest clean player of all time-Joe Montana
So the generic KC Chiefs were turning down their nose at
10-6
11-5
10-6
13-3
9-7
13-3
10-6

I don't believe you

Even the generic Golden State Warriors acknowledge their past that doesn't involve winning championships. They acknowledge Don Nelson and Nelson didn't nowhere near as much as Marty Ball...

Chiefs didnt exist before Marty? dufug dat mean?

 

[Kevinicus]

Marty's teams generally overachieved. KC performed well above their talent level during his tenure.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Need to pick up Chubb damnit! Marty ball needs a better back than we got.

 

[exciter]

It's pretty much the complete opposite of Air Coryell. It's pretty much running the ball. Even the passing game is with running the ball in mind.

2 of 4 of Russel Wilson’s highest passing attempt seasons (500 plus) came under Shotteheimer. Carroll fired him for not running enough.
His one season with Bradford he didn’t get hurt 550 attempts!
Buttfumble had over 500 hundred attempts in 2 seasons!
The only times the QB didn’t were when he was a rookie, the starter became injured or Rex specifically told him not to.
He runs a modified Coryell that passes off the run game but it’s not reminiscent of what his dad ran!

 

[Ironicalicon]

I noticed a lot of my fellow Zoners gleefully talking about how many of our problems will be solved because we have "Martyball" now. As someone who was around during "Martyball"it's interesting because back then Marty came to be known as basically a simpleton who was famous for soul crushing losses and who couldn't get over the top, e.g., he's the only coach in NFL history with 200 wins but a losing playoff record (and his playoff record STUNK). He was also on the losing end of iconic playoff losses, e.g., "The Drive", "The Fumble."
I'm curious what it is about Martyball that has people excited? Let me know Zoners.

You're not wrong at all but anything to spark a glimmer of hope is a breath of fresh air at this point. Most fans have lost faith in Dak to provide anything special so what else do you have? A run game... Hopefully.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I remember "Martyball" very well, and living in SW Missouri since 1994, I've heard many Chiefs fan bemoan that chapter of their history. However..... Jethro isn't paying Dak all that money to hand the ball off 30 times a game. I'm willing to bet the Cowboys will still pass more than they run, unless Dak gets injured again.

I wonder if will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Marty was a great coach. You've been brainwashed into thinking the so called post season is some greater validation. Its not. Its as illegitimate as the preseason

This may be the most bizarre statement I've seen on this forum. Maybe you are a big fantasy football guy?

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Chiefs didn't exist before Marty.
And Marty did make it to a championship game with the greatest clean player of all time-Joe Montana
So the generic KC Chiefs were turning down their nose at
10-6
11-5
10-6
13-3
9-7
13-3
10-6

I don't believe you

Even the generic Golden State Warriors acknowledge their past that doesn't involve winning championships. They acknowledge Don Nelson and Nelson didn't nowhere near as much as Marty Ball...

Are you nuts? Len Dawson? Hank Stram? Marty isn't fit to hand wash their jocks.

 

[INCowboysFan]

Are you nuts? Len Dawson? Hank Stram? Marty isn't fit to hand wash their jocks.

The period between stram and Schottenheimer (1975-1988) the chiefs had a winning record twice and made the playoffs once, losing in the WC game. So yeah they pretty much were non existent for a long time before Marty showed up

 

[big dog cowboy]

Marty was a great coach.

No. If you are a great coach, you are in the HOF.

.613 regular season winning percentage
.278 playoff winning percentage

His coaching style was playing not to lose. That's not a formula to win championships.

 

[jazzcat22]

I will wait and see.
Talent on the field will be the bigger issue for now.
Yes coaching and schemes matter, but still need the talent. They lack in overall great talent, on paper for now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Chiefs didn't exist before Marty.

That couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Rayman70]

Our issues will be solved once we can stop the run, and show up prepared in the post season. If games were simply won and lost based on talent, it would be easy. But they aren't. Much of it is being prepared and honed in. We have had far too many distractions to be prepared and focused. Much of it is we allow too much access to the team during practice days. We need to close off our practices to all media, family. It's the only way. Instead of an attraction or exhibit at a zoo, let's treat this team like a dang football team, period. Stop the carnival crap.

 

[Rayman70]

I will wait and see.
Talent on the field will be the bigger issue for now.
Yes coaching and schemes matter, but still need the talent. They lack in overall great talent, on paper for now.

We are a bunch of carnies . We need this to stop. Talent has been overrated here for a while. But the biggest issue is the excessive access to the team by outside forces during the season,post season. It lends itself to being ill prepared and focused. That's coaching. The hc can control this if he has the will to. MM was just happy to be here. A gutless wonder. Let's hope Marty's son can do the job needed.

 

[AZPaul3]

Recent opinions sometimes do not carry the weight of reality with them. Marty Schottenheimer was a greater NFL coach then anyone in this forum. He did the job and he did it very well. He may have failed to achieve the ultimate but that does not negate the winning history and the winning spirit he fostered in KC for more than a decade. He kept these guys in the national spotlight every season. He racked up the highest winning % of all Chief’s coaches until Santa Clause came to town.

Don’t disparage his legacy. He may not have been Belichick but he was damn good.

Does this translate thru the bloodline? Is it nature or nurture? Will we inherit the disciplinarian with a penchant for smashmouth ram it in their face football or something other. The major issue is that, whatever Brian is, he is under Jerry’s thumb which does not bode well for any HC.

 

[SlammedZero]

If people hated that Big Mac always ran on 1st down, they're going to really hate Marty Ball. lol

 

[Aven8]

The NFL trend is young HC’s these days. For some reason even at what 51 Schott reminds me of all those guys because of his youthful enthusiasm and he looks fairly young. The positive is that he has a ton of experience unlike a lot of these young dudes.

 

[Vtwin]

Until proven otherwise, this team has nowhere near the defense to play Martyball.

Ball control only works if you can control the ball.

 

[Xizor]

In 2019 Russell Wilson threw for over 4000 yards with Shotty as offensive coordinator. It won't be Martyball. He just believes more in running the ball more than Mccarthy which is exactly what this offense needs. More balance.

 

[Verdict]

In 21 seasons Marty finished below ,500 twice. Fwiw, he knew how to build a competitive team, he just couldn't get them over the hump.

We've seen the same thing with Jason and McCarthy.

Brian seems to have a little more Parcels judging by the draft. He appears to want blue collar players willing who work more and talk less.

I'm in the wait and see section.

Marty built winning teams. He was just notorious for playing far too conservatively in the playoffs. It’s like his whole game plan was different for the playoffs.