Matt Eberflus - Cowboys offered him D-Coordnator job

[northerncowboynation]

Maybe but it’s possible there is hope in the unknown in Indy.

Everyone knows what Garrett is at this point in his career.

True but the Colts aren't going to rebuild in one year even with a healthy Luck. As stated earlier their O-line is dismal and the D not much better. It will take 2-3 years for them to rebuild and if Jg continues his par performance he'll be gone after 2018 when his contract extension ends. JMO of course. I imagine Marinelli retires after his contract is up. He'll be 70 plus years old

 

[jjktkk]

I have a hard time evaluating Marinelli. I really think he is a good coach, but you don't see the results, as far as overall top ten defensive rankings. But I then question exactly how much talent has Marinelli had to work with during his tenure at Dallas? Sean Lee, Lawrence, and recently Irving. The defense did improve late with the young secondary showing improvement, so if the talent is there Marinelli should able to make the Cowboys a very talented defense.

 

[Stash]

How has Rod's coaching hurt the team?

Or will that go the way of my last unanswered question about the talent?

Here's an example during a pivotal loss:

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...an-film-room-green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers/

 

[Sydla]

I have a hard time evaluating Marinelli. I really think he is a good coach, but you don't see the results, as far as overall top ten defensive rankings. But I then question exactly how much talent has Marinelli had to work with during his tenure at Dallas? Sean Lee, Lawrence, are no doubt very talented players, but after these two, who else, maybe Scandrick back in his prime,

I think if anyone was expecting him to turn this defense into the Jags or Vikes or Philly would be fooling themselves. They aren't that talented.

But there has been little, if any, real improvement in his run here if you look at the stats. Of course people will try to use excuses like "well he had to play this year with a rookie secondary" but often times those excuses are exaggerations.

In the end, I think Marinelli is nothing more than a decent DC. I believe you could hire DCs who would get more out of what he have. That doesn't mean I think he sucks. He clearly doesn't.

 

[northerncowboynation]

McDaniel has been patiently waiting to cherry pick his next HC job. His error in Denver was failing to acquire Matt Cassel and pissing of Jay Cutler in the process. After he cut Cutler and drafted tebow with a 1st round pick, he was basically screwed trying to win with Kyle Orton. No way he makes that mistake again. If there was any doubt about Luck's shoulder, he wouldn't take the job.

I don't know about Luck's shoulder issues. certainly significant enough to keep him from playing ball over the past year and a half. Last news I heard he was heading to Europe to see specialists there and rehab. It was probably November-December when I read that si it's current. Doesn't sound overly positive but hey, I'm no Colts fan so really don't care.

We're all assuming that McDaniels is going to make the leap to head coach in Indy. Yes he will make the leap. How successful is the ? Remember, 11-17 with Denver and fired because of some video taping fiasco not to mention major disagreements with players and management over QB issues. As much as some say Bellichik makes Brady, I doubt they will say McDaniels makes Brady or Bellicik. I wish Eberfluss well in his endeavours.

 

[jjktkk]

I think if anyone was expecting him to turn this defense into the Jags or Vikes or Philly would be fooling themselves. They aren't that talented.

But there has been little, if any, real improvement in his run here if you look at the stats. Of course people will try to use excuses like "well he had to play this year with a rookie secondary" but often times those excuses are exaggerations.

In the end, I think Marinelli is nothing more than a decent DC. I believe you could hire DCs who would get more out of what he have. That doesn't mean I think he sucks. He clearly doesn't.

Sorry I edited my post, but if you wanted to be truly objectionable, give Marinelli more talent and then see what the results would be.

 

[OmerV]

Granted there is nothing for the Cowboys or Cowboy fans to pound their chest about. It was a disappointing season.

Of course not, fandom often clouds a person's judgement.



It assumes no such thing. It simply reiterates the fact that in this game, that one play was ultimately the determining factor. One play often is. And the fact is that if that fumble doesn't happen, Dallas loses that game. It was a lucky break.



They "deserved" nothing. Once again fandom impairs rational judgment.



I'm not denying the technicality of 9 being greater than 7. At the same time, I'm not blinding myself to the breaks and bounces I pointed out previously. Similar bounces that went against them against the Rams and Packers.

But several of the wins were as "unearned" as the losses.

We agree that "the team struggled and did not have an impressive year". The rest is quibbling over details.

This is one of the biggest nonsense posts I've ever read. You are telling us the team that made the most mistakes is the one that deserved to win - that the team with 4 fumbles, one lost fumble, fewer offensive yards and fewer points deserved to win, and the team that made fewer mistakes, gained more yards, and scored more points deserved to lose.

And you are telling us if we don't believe this we are blind homers.

I wonder ... if only one play mattered, how is it the team that screwed the play up is the one that deserved to win?

But let me ask you this - did the Cowboys deserve to win and the Packers deserve to lose in the 2014 playoffs because Murray fumbled? Did you give the Cowboys the same credit for the win that you are giving Oakland now?

As for me, my narrative doesn't change in that case. The Cowboys deserved to lose that game because they screwed up, just as Oakland deserved to lose because they screwed up. The team that makes a costly mistake and loses does not get to get credit for the win.

 

[Haimerej]

I don't think he maximizes what he has. I think we've had a pretty average defense every year he's been here with limited improvement, if any improvement at all. We are roundly ranked in the teens in most important statistical measures most years.

Again, I must have a different expectation than you as to what our coaches should do.

Oh and as for talent, no, I don't think we have elite talent on defense. But I think a great DC would get more out of what we do have.

I think it's a talent driven league. Sean Lee is an elite player. Lawrence looked elite this last season. Hopefully he stays healthy and pees clean. The rest are JAGs and young guys. You seemingly dismissed the rookies because they didn't have the most snaps, but by season's end they were starting and the defense was better.

You're basically saying they should have a top defense with what they have by saying another DC could get more out of them. They had no true 1 tech. Their interior defensive line is weak against the run. Jaylon had to learn football again. Hitchens is too small to be a consistently effective Mike and too slow to be a consistently effective Will. Byron Jones has no ball skills. How does a DC fix those issues?

 

[G2]

Lets say Eberflus is the next best thing since the internet. It's still going to be years before the team is rebuilt and competitive.
We know what we have in Marinelli and he has improved the defense progressively. Look what he did with all these rookies. We'll be fine as long as we don't have to fill anymore coaching spots on defense.
Offense? Have at it.

 

[Stash]

This is one of the biggest nonsense posts I've ever read. To assume one play is all that matters in a game, and to assume that mistakes made and the success in overcoming mistakes throughout the entire course of a game are irrelevant - that only the mistake at the most noticeable point in the game is the only one that matters and the only point in a game that matters - that's just BS put out by a guy insistent on complaining.

Yes or no? Did that one play decide that game? Let's see what a fan is willing to tell themselves. Then we'll talk about "nonsense posts".

Let me ask you this - did the Cowboys deserve to win and the Packers deserve to lose in the 2014 playoffs because Murray fumbled? Did you give the Cowboys the same credit for the win that you are giving Oakland now?

As for me, my narrative doesn't change in that case. The Cowboys deserved to lose that game because they screwed up, just as Oakland deserved to lose because they screwed up. The team that makes a costly mistake and loses does not get to get credit for the win.

Yes, undoubtedly the Cowboys deserved to win that 2014 game. But that wasn't one play either, but several. Like the Dez catch.

And I'm not trying to give credit to Oakland, I'm pointing out the obvious. That Dallas was fortunate and not deserving of the win. Somebody had to get it, the Cowboys did. Through good fortune and not ability or skill.

 

[Haimerej]

Hold on here. From what I keep seeing from fans is that the talent is great. We got a great player in Hitchens, that we simply must re-sign. The line is so much better than last year, we got Irving and Collins inside with a breakout star in Lawrence plus Taco Charlton getting better, stacking good performances on top of others, the right way. Then there is the young corners, most felt good about. So where exactly is this huge talent gap at?

You can't have it both ways.

You apparently haven't seen my posts about Hitchens.

If you feel it is the talent, you just resign yourself to the fact that Marinelli cannot field a championship defense without premium picks all over the place. You can take a look at the final four, some defenses have a ton of premium choices (Minnesota, Jacksonville), while others do not (New England, Philadelphia). If that is the case, then it is irrelevant who the DC is. The talent is just not good enough?

Or... you recognize good coaching even when talent isn't elite or may be raw or undeveloped.

To me, the defense as well as the offense suffer from simplicity issues. They are both painfully outdated and can be exploited. Some innovation could cover up the warts.

I always wonder why Rod is accused of a lack of innovation when he debuted the 3-2 odd against NE which led to Harry's only good game. Belichick even said postgame it gave them some problems.

Many elite defenses are simple. Seattle for example. The Ryan's like complex. Complex tend to be prone to giving up big plays.

It is a little bit of both as far as I see it. So then you have to decide about the talent resources. Can Dallas afford a defensive geared draft on days one and two? Seems to me the offense had a serious problem scoring points. That also demands resources.

Free agency first. I haven't even looked at who's available. Not ready for draft talk yet.

 

[mardwin]

Hahahahahahaha

At this point we should just root for everything to blow up next year. unreal

Oh I also love how Marinelli would have been assistant head coach that just goes to show you what a puppet Garrett really is

That's my thought process, hope they go 0-16 to solidify Jason Garrett's tenure as a lame duck coach.

 

[northerncowboynation]

This is one of the biggest nonsense posts I've ever read. To assume one play is all that matters in a game, and to assume that mistakes made and the success in overcoming mistakes throughout the entire course of a game are irrelevant - that only the mistake at the most noticeable point in the game is the only one that matters and the only point in a game that matters - that's just BS put out by a guy insistent on complaining.

Let me ask you this - did the Cowboys deserve to win and the Packers deserve to lose in the 2014 playoffs because Murray fumbled? Did you give the Cowboys the same credit for the win that you are giving Oakland now?

As for me, my narrative doesn't change in that case. The Cowboys deserved to lose that game because they screwed up, just as Oakland deserved to lose because they screwed up. The team that makes a costly mistake and loses does not get to get credit for the win.

The team that takes advantages of the other teams screw ups usually win. Case in point Falcons/Philly. The Gals laid the ball on the carpet four times and the Falcons score 10 points. 10 frickin points!! Some would credit the Eagle defense for that, I say the Falcons offense crumbled like they did in the SB. Matty "Ice" is called ice for a reason, he freezes when things get tough.

You're right it's tough to say "one play" is the reason, Good teams take advantage of bad plays or calls. See "spike" the ball with over a minute left in the playoff game against the Pack. See burn a time out when the offense was moving against a gassed Packers D. See two passes and FG leaving time on the clock left for Rogers to weave his magic. Would the end result have been the same if the "spike call" had not happened. Impossible to say. The better team won the game that day. They took advantage of a very bad series of play calls and may well have won in OT too. Who knows

 

[Sydla]

Sorry I edited my post, but if you wanted to be truly objectionable, give Marinelli more talent and then see what the results would be.

But can't you make the argument for any coach getting subpar or average results? Just give them better talent.

IMO, I think you can see enough from a guy even when the talent isn't optimal to get an idea of what kind of coach he is. Maybe my expectations are faulty, but I think you can have a coach that is able to scheme and overcome some talent issues and raises the level of defensive play over what their talent might dictate. Now, again, that doesn't mean I expected Marinelli or any DC for that matter to turn what we have into a Top 3 defense. But at this point, I expected he'd get more out of what he has. And certainly, I expected his entire defense to not fall apart simply because one player goes out. If his defense is that reliant on a WILL LB, guess what? That's a coaching issue, not a talent issue.

 

[Stash]

True but the Colts aren't going to rebuild in one year even with a healthy Luck. As stated earlier their O-line is dismal and the D not much better. It will take 2-3 years for them to rebuild and if Jg continues his par performance he'll be gone after 2018 when his contract extension ends. JMO of course. I imagine Marinelli retires after his contract is up. He'll be 70 plus years old

A guy with options - like Eberflus - has decided he'd rather leave than stay and continue to work on Garrett's staff.

It looks a lot like what everyone who's had the option has done. Anyone not under contract with the ability to leave has done so. In fact, even someone that was under contract in Bisaccia has chosen to leave.

To me it clearly speaks of abandoning ship. Realizing that they would have better chances to remain employed elsewhere than spending another year in Dallas. People with options feel they're better off leaving rather than staying.

They clearly must feel that this staff isn't on borrowed time and that 2018 could be the year that the plug is ultimately pulled and everyone wis I'll be looking for work. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Get out now while you have options in front of you and have the security of more than a year in your new job.

Like many fans, the coaches who have the choice are not expressing confidence in this coaching staff either.

 

[Haimerej]

Here's an example during a pivotal loss:

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...an-film-room-green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers/

If anyone would know defensive collapses it's Rob Ryan.

Seriously though, that's just an example of MMQB. You can literally look at every play and say another would have been better. Man coverage happens in the red zone all the time. Heath could have been in better position. Lewis knocks it away or it's a bad pass and nothing is said. That's the nature of the game.

 

[Sydla]

I think it's a talent driven league. Sean Lee is an elite player. Lawrence looked elite this last season. Hopefully he stays healthy and pees clean. The rest are JAGs and young guys. You seemingly dismissed the rookies because they didn't have the most snaps, but by season's end they were starting and the defense was better.

You're basically saying they should have a top defense with what they have by saying another DC could get more out of them. They had no true 1 tech. Their interior defensive line is weak against the run. Jaylon had to learn football again. Hitchens is too small to be a consistently effective Mike and too slow to be a consistently effective Will. Byron Jones has no ball skills. How does a DC fix those issues?

The defense was "better" at the end of the season partially because who they were playing, not solely because they got better. They faced a Giants team that was woeful offensively and faced an Eagles team that benched all their starters and weren't a good offense even with Foles at QB.

Your last paragraph is excuse making and actually undermines your argument. Why did we have an issue at the 1 Tech? I'll tell you why......... because our DC doesn't value 1 Techs. He thinks he can find any joe blow off the street and make them a 1 Tech. It's why over the years under him, we've invested zero premium assets in a 1 Tech. Hayden, McClain, Paea, Thornton, etc. Those are all guys Marinelli wanted. So to sit there and try to say, "poor Marinelli, he didn't have a real 1 Tech" is disingenuous because the reason we don't have a true 1 Tech is because of choices Marinelli has made at the position.

And who makes the decision to play Jones at FS as much as he does? Who made the decision to eschew improving the S position in FA last year and give Heath the job? Marinelli. That's who. You are trying to make excuses for talent and personnel issues and yet many of the personnel issues are tied to Marinelli himself.

Again, nowhere have I suggested that he should make this into a top defense. But for sure, I expect a more consistent defense out of him, especially one that doesn't turn into one of the worst defenses in the league because one player is out.

 

[Haimerej]

I have a hard time evaluating Marinelli. I really think he is a good coach, but you don't see the results, as far as overall top ten defensive rankings. But I then question exactly how much talent has Marinelli had to work with during his tenure at Dallas? Sean Lee, Lawrence, and recently Irving. The defense did improve late with the young secondary showing improvement, so if the talent is there Marinelli should able to make the Cowboys a very talented defense.

Even Irving has his moments of being a JAG. He still loses leverage inside and gets washed out against the run.

 

[northerncowboynation]

A guy with options - like Eberflus - has decided he'd rather leave than stay and continue to work on Garrett's staff.

It looks a lot like what everyone who's had the option has done. Anyone not under contract with the ability to leave has done so. In fact, even someone that was under contract in Bisaccia has chosen to leave.

To me it clearly speaks of abandoning ship. Realizing that they would have better chances to remain employed elsewhere than spending another year in Dallas. People with options feel they're better off leaving rather than staying.

They clearly must feel that this staff isn't on borrowed time and that 2018 could be the year that the plug is ultimately pulled and everyone wis I'll be looking for work. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Get out now while you have options in front of you and have the security of more than a year in your new job.

Like many fans, the coaches who have the choice are not expressing confidence in this coaching staff either.

I'm not going to argue or debate why coaches leave. It's their decision. None of us know the reasons. We can come up with reasons in OUR head but we're not in the COACHES head

 

[Stash]

If anyone would know defensive collapses it's Rob Ryan.

Seriously though, that's just an example of MMQB. You can literally look at every play and say another would have been better. Man coverage happens in the red zone all the time. Heath could have been in better position. Lewis knocks it away or it's a bad pass and nothing is said. That's the nature of the game.

You asked for an example and you got one. What you choose to do with that information is up to you. What you can't deny is that there is an example.

Sure, it's Rob Ryan, and it's certainly MMQB. But that's exactly what film review is. An after-the-fact review and assessment. When teams do it, its positive, but when anyone else does it, it's somehow negative. Funny how that works.

It doesn't change the fact that the criticisms and points made are valid.