Matt Miller 4/14/17

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—One more quarterback note: If you're looking for a Mahomes landing spot, two teams I'm told by scouts and general managers that really like him are the Arizona Cardinals and Kansas City Chiefs.

—If you're looking for a surprise name invited to the draft, Colorado's Chidobe Awuzie might be the least well-known of the 22 invitees.

—Scouting sources with the Tennessee Titans have confirmed the team's interest in Ohio State cornerback Marshon Lattimore and Clemson wide receiver Williams. If Lattimore is on the board at No. 5 overall, I expect he'll be the team's pick. If Lattimore is gone, to Chicago for example, look for Williams to get heavy consideration.

—As mentioned above, Lattimore to Chicago is a hot rumor among NFL general managers. One executive I spoke with felt "99 percent sure" the Bears would draft a defensive back if they keep the No. 3 overall pick.

—The New Orleans Saints are in "win-now" mode, according to a front office source. With the No. 11 pick, the team would love to see Alabama's Reuben Foster on the board, I've been told.

5. Wide Receiver Curtis Samuel, Ohio State

"Don't be surprised if Samuel goes ahead of Dalvin Cook," is what one scout texted me this week. Samuel, who played running back and wide receiver at Ohio State (the same role Braxton Miller played), has elite skills as a speed player. He can affect the game as a runner, receiver and return man. That value—and teams seeing what someone like Tyreek Hill can do to an offense—has pushed up his stock.

3. Edge-Rusher Derek Barnett, Tennessee

"After Myles Garrett, he's the best true edge in the class."

Scouts I spoke to for this article praised Barnett's effort and production. He didn't have the most amazing 40-yard dash times (4.88 seconds), but his tape against SEC competition was impressive. Teams drafting in the middle of the first round that need an outside pass-rusher (Indianapolis, Baltimore, Tampa Bay) could all call Barnett's name.

2. Linebacker Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

"I know we like him, and I don't think he'll get to us."

That's what a team scout told me about Cunningham, who was considered a Round 1 prospect before the combine but started to slip due to concerns about his play power and tackling skills. But as one coach told me, "Cunningham missed some tackles, but did you see how many he made?"

1. Cornerback Marlon Humphrey, Alabama

"Guys that fast and that physical go in the first round," said a scout.

Humphrey's tape isn't the best of the 2017 cornerback class, but his upside and traits are eye-opening. Teams like the New Orleans Saints or Tennessee Titans in the middle of the first round are likely targets for Humphrey. And as one rival scout told me, "don't rule out the Ravens with that Alabama connection."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...latest-on-qbs-new-2-round-mock-draft-and-more
 

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Terrible mock.We take White while Watt,Harris ,Davis and Ross are still available? we take Justin Evans when Basham and others are available.I really really hope we dont pass on Davis just because we resigned Tnew.I believe Davis a legitimate WR1 who can eventually take over Dez and you cant pass on that just because both your starting CBs left in FA.
 

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I really really hope we dont pass on Davis just because we resigned Tnew.I believe Davis a legitimate WR1 who can eventually take over Dez and you cant pass on that just because both your starting CBs left in FA.

Since when do we draft like that? Williams coming back pretty much effectively killed a WR in the first round idea. It is not like he came back just for one year.
 

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Since when do we draft like that? Williams coming back pretty much effectively killed a WR in the first round idea. It is not like he came back just for one year.
They did it with Dez,there is no conceivable way he wont be BPA at 28.I still think he goes way Early but teams do stupid things all the time.
 

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—One more quarterback note: If you're looking for a Mahomes landing spot, two teams I'm told by scouts and general managers that really like him are the Arizona Cardinals and Kansas City Chiefs.

—If you're looking for a surprise name invited to the draft, Colorado's Chidobe Awuzie might be the least well-known of the 22 invitees.

—Scouting sources with the Tennessee Titans have confirmed the team's interest in Ohio State cornerback Marshon Lattimore and Clemson wide receiver Williams. If Lattimore is on the board at No. 5 overall, I expect he'll be the team's pick. If Lattimore is gone, to Chicago for example, look for Williams to get heavy consideration.

—As mentioned above, Lattimore to Chicago is a hot rumor among NFL general managers. One executive I spoke with felt "99 percent sure" the Bears would draft a defensive back if they keep the No. 3 overall pick.

—The New Orleans Saints are in "win-now" mode, according to a front office source. With the No. 11 pick, the team would love to see Alabama's Reuben Foster on the board, I've been told.

5. Wide Receiver Curtis Samuel, Ohio State

"Don't be surprised if Samuel goes ahead of Dalvin Cook," is what one scout texted me this week. Samuel, who played running back and wide receiver at Ohio State (the same role Braxton Miller played), has elite skills as a speed player. He can affect the game as a runner, receiver and return man. That value—and teams seeing what someone like Tyreek Hill can do to an offense—has pushed up his stock.

3. Edge-Rusher Derek Barnett, Tennessee

"After Myles Garrett, he's the best true edge in the class."

Scouts I spoke to for this article praised Barnett's effort and production. He didn't have the most amazing 40-yard dash times (4.88 seconds), but his tape against SEC competition was impressive. Teams drafting in the middle of the first round that need an outside pass-rusher (Indianapolis, Baltimore, Tampa Bay) could all call Barnett's name.

2. Linebacker Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

"I know we like him, and I don't think he'll get to us."

That's what a team scout told me about Cunningham, who was considered a Round 1 prospect before the combine but started to slip due to concerns about his play power and tackling skills. But as one coach told me, "Cunningham missed some tackles, but did you see how many he made?"

1. Cornerback Marlon Humphrey, Alabama

"Guys that fast and that physical go in the first round," said a scout.

Humphrey's tape isn't the best of the 2017 cornerback class, but his upside and traits are eye-opening. Teams like the New Orleans Saints or Tennessee Titans in the middle of the first round are likely targets for Humphrey. And as one rival scout told me, "don't rule out the Ravens with that Alabama connection."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...latest-on-qbs-new-2-round-mock-draft-and-more

Everything i have read had CHI taking Trubisky. The team loves him. Even Dane Brugler said it in the latest draft show. Even said hes talked to nfc north people who say Trubisky will be the pick for the bears.
 

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Everything i have read had CHI taking Trubisky. The team loves him. Even Dane Brugler said it in the latest draft show. Even said hes talked to nfc north people who say Trubisky will be the pick for the bears.
Smokescreens are imperative for the QB position. Hey get overdrafted so much and teams do stupid stuff all the time. If that's who they really want, it serves them well to put out rumors about another player to hopefully prevent a team from jumping them.
 

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Smokescreens are imperative for the QB position. Hey get overdrafted so much and teams do stupid stuff all the time. If that's who they really want, it serves them well to put out rumors about another player to hopefully prevent a team from jumping them.
I dont think any team will trade up for a QB. Especially the way that worked out for Philly and Rams lol
 

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I dont think any team will trade up for a QB. Especially the way that worked out for Philly and Rams lol

Wait did trading up backfire on Philly?

Wentz certainly looks like he has the tools to be a good QB and the Eagles recouped their first round pick by finding a sucker to take Bradford.
 

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Wait did trading up backfire on Philly?

Wentz certainly looks like he has the tools to be a good QB and the Eagles recouped their first round pick by finding a sucker to take Bradford.

Does he? Wentz looks like a system QB to me. Once teams had tape on him Wentz couldnt complete a pass over 8 yrds is what i saw. He was never a RD1 QB none of those guys were. Its not his fault that philly traded up for a project QB at 2. lol
 

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Does he? Wentz looks like a system QB to me. Once teams had tape on him Wentz couldnt complete a pass over 8 yrds is what i saw. He was never a RD1 QB none of those guys were. Its not his fault that philly traded up for a project QB at 2. lol

Philly gave up practically nothing for Wentz thanks to the Sam Bradford trade and some other crafty maneuvers

They essentially just gave up their 2nd in 2016 and a 3rd in 2018... but they also acquired an additional 4th this year and another TWO 4ths in 2018

I hate to admit it, but Roseman looks like a genius for how he went about trading up for Wentz and recouping much of what they lost.

It makes me sick thinking about how they got a top 15 pick for Sam freaking Bradford as we watched Romo go for nothing

AND they managed to clear themselves of bad contracts from Bradford, Murray, Alonso and Maxwell along the way
 
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Wait did trading up backfire on Philly?

Wentz certainly looks like he has the tools to be a good QB and the Eagles recouped their first round pick by finding a sucker to take Bradford.

They gave up their 2nd in 2016... and that's about it.


An absolute robbery moving up to #2 from #14
 

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They gave up their 2nd in 2016... and that's about it.


An absolute robbery moving up to #2 from #14
That's not how the trade works. They gave up a lot for Wentz. They couldn't/didn't know at the time that they'd be able to trade Bradford for a bounty.
 

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Does he? Wentz looks like a system QB to me. Once teams had tape on him Wentz couldnt complete a pass over 8 yrds is what i saw. He was never a RD1 QB none of those guys were. Its not his fault that philly traded up for a project QB at 2. lol
He was a rookie. His OL was a MASH unit. His backfield was lackluster, mainly due to the poor OL play. His WRs had the worst hands on the league. So of course he looked poor out there, most QBs would.
 

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He was a rookie. His OL was a MASH unit. His backfield was lackluster, mainly due to the poor OL play. His WRs had the worst hands on the league. So of course he looked poor out there, most QBs would.

Dak had no names WRs playing for him along with his starting LT LG and a RT hurt During 2016 and he played probably his best football during that time.

Dez was hurt
Tyron was hurt
La'el Collins got hurt
Free was battling his injury but played.

And look at 2017 philly did nothing to improve that OL. They signed 2 WRs who's M.O is deep balls for a QB who is a 1 read guy and will stay a 1 read guy because his OL cant block.

Wisniewski who they signed cant clock to save his life.
Warmack is a bust going to a offense who plays a zone blocking scheme which he cant do because hes a power guy

Those are the OL that they signed.
 

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Terrible mock.We take White while Watt,Harris ,Davis and Ross are still available? we take Justin Evans when Basham and others are available.I really really hope we dont pass on Davis just because we resigned Tnew.I believe Davis a legitimate WR1 who can eventually take over Dez and you cant pass on that just because both your starting CBs left in FA.

The single worst two round I have seen.

White is too soft a player for what they are trying to do at corner and zero chance Dallas passes on both McKinley and Watt for him.

Evans is no better than a late second day prospect.
 

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The single worst two round I have seen.

White is too soft a player for what they are trying to do at corner and zero chance Dallas passes on both McKinley and Watt for him.

Evans is no better than a late second day prospect.
Yeah, White is giving me major bust-vibes
 

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Dak had no names WRs playing for him along with his starting LT LG and a RT hurt During 2016 and he played probably his best football during that time.

Dez was hurt
Tyron was hurt
La'el Collins got hurt
Free was battling his injury but played.

And look at 2017 philly did nothing to improve that OL. They signed 2 WRs who's M.O is deep balls for a QB who is a 1 read guy and will stay a 1 read guy because his OL cant block.

Wisniewski who they signed cant clock to save his life.
Warmack is a bust going to a offense who plays a zone blocking scheme which he cant do because hes a power guy

Those are the OL that they signed.
Roseman is creative with trades but he has no clue how to put a team together. He is almost as big a jersey collector as Snyder was
 

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Does he? Wentz looks like a system QB to me. Once teams had tape on him Wentz couldnt complete a pass over 8 yrds is what i saw. He was never a RD1 QB none of those guys were. Its not his fault that philly traded up for a project QB at 2. lol
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