Mazie Smith (All-22) review?

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yea, you should listen to the experts on this board instead of a guy who has actually made a living evaluating players.
Yea, I don’t listen to people on this board either.
I form my own opinions.

Actually Some on here do know more, as he was not very good at his evaluation gig. IMO of course as you seem to have an issue about it with me.
 

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I suppose you’ll have to do some research and find out how many first round picks, particularly those at the tail end of the round, end up being “perennial pro bowlers” with at least two seasons as an “all pro”.

That’s what you hope for with a top ten pick. Even that might be a stretch.

I think you just have expectations that are more like hopes and dreams

A dude taken as a nose tackle at the end of the first round is a good pick if he can play in the league five or six years and deliver solid run defense.

Most of the top NTs in the league don’t meet your own criteria for “great”.
Every fans hope for a first round pick is they turn into a great player. The best players we’ve drafted with premium picks all showed great promise as rookies during camp, preseason and the regular season. I don’t remember any of them getting off to slow starts where fans and the media were critical of them. Just look at the past couple of decades. Tyron, Dez, Sean Lee, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, CeeDee and Parsons all looked real good right from the start. You could tell during their rookie seasons they were going to be real good players. Tyler Smith looked good as a rookie. The premium draft picks that flamed out for us, including second round picks struggled early and never developed into what we were hoping for. Morris Claiborne, Bobby Carpenter, Jaylon Smith, Connor Williams, Gavin Escobar, Bruce Carter and Taco. Kelvin Joseph struggled from day one when he arrived. The best players we currently have all got off to good starts as rookies.
 

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Mazi had some really nice snaps. When it clicks for him he just manhandles whoever is trying to block him. He’s powerful with a mean streak… he’ll put it together. This weekend is a great opportunity for him to take another step, the Jets are going to lean heavy on the ground game.

It’s just a matter of time with Mazi. Interior DL is a lot about feel, the more reps he gets the more he’ll improve. All the tools are there.
 

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That was one play, he was up and down and he didn’t start. Not good when you draft a player in the first round and they’re not starting and only get 17 snaps.
In the 20s first round pick on a great defense.

Were you one of the ones telling everyone how great Jordan Davis was last year? He was playing less than this and didn't have the production.
 

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That is not what you expect from a player selected in the 1st Rd . . . Top 10 pick maybe but not 1st Rd
I said I “hope” for a great player in the first round but I don’t expect it. My expectations for a first round pick is that they become consistently good players.
 

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In the 20s first round pick on a great defense.

Were you one of the ones telling everyone how great Jordan Davis was last year? He was playing less than this and didn't have the production.
I know nothing about Jordan Davis other than the Eagles selected him, so I wasn’t one of those talking about him.
 
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If you expected a late first DT to set the world on fire then that’s on you.

Is this your normal football evaluation style?

Just wanting to know if you’re a serious person or not.
I didn’t expect him to set the world on fire, but I did expect him to look a little better than he has. I didn’t expect him to be so slow off the ball. Has he met your expectations so far? By the way, anyone who reads my posts knows I’m serious about football. I’ll stack my insight against any fan on this board.
 

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Feels like you’re focused on the wrong things. Gilmore is 32, on his 5th team and cost a cheap pick. Doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be starting.

And to be honest it was a small sample size but i thought mazi had a solid game Sunday. Nothing flashy but he did his job
Gilmore is still a terrific player and is only four years removed from being defensive player of the year. He was an absolute bargain for a fifth round pick. I wouldn’t be comparing him with Jonathan Hankins. If the Cowboys thought he was anything special they wouldn’t have burned a first round pick on Mazi.
 

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I didn’t expect him to set the world on fire, but I did expect him to look a little better than he has. I didn’t expect him to be so slow off the ball. Has he met your expectations so far? By the way, anyone who reads my posts knows I’m serious about football. I’ll stack my insight against any fan on this board.
It’s been one game.

Think about that.
 

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It’s been one game.

Think about that.
I know it’s only been one regular season game, but have you been pleased with what you’ve seen of him so far? He did play in three preseason games.
 

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I know it’s only been one regular season game, but have you been pleased with what you’ve seen of him so far? He did play in three preseason games.
I’m pretty neutral on it. I didn’t have expectations of all-pro flashes during training camp and after one game.

I wanted Mazi because he could be a solid role player at a position the Cowboys haven’t invested in for ages.

I’m willing to be patient.

If you’re expecting every draftee to be Micah or Emmitt, then you’re 100% going to be disappointed.
 

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Mazi may end up being gone with the wind after his rookie contract or sooner if he doesn’t start stepping up.
Based on how we played in the opener, he's got some time to come into his own. Jonathan Hankins is a pretty good player to have in front of him. Obviously, we want and hope Mazi develops into at least that kind of player.

I don't get in too big of a rush with rookies, though, because each develops at his own speed. Some get it immediately, some take time and some never get there.
 

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I know nothing about Jordan Davis other than the Eagles selected him, so I wasn’t one of those talking about him.
Well...he went top 13 to much fanfare and played less.
 

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I thought after that first drive we shut down the run well. There was one or two plays I can remember mazi taking up a double team. Same with Hankins. As long as they help improve the run d then so be it.

Both will be needed this week vs what I anticipate will be a run heavy jets team
 

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I’m pretty neutral on it. I didn’t have expectations of all-pro flashes during training camp and after one game.

I wanted Mazi because he could be a solid role player at a position the Cowboys haven’t invested in for ages.

I’m willing to be patient.

If you’re expecting every draftee to be Micah or Emmitt, then you’re 100% going to be disappointed.
I never said I was expecting all-pro flashes from him during training camp and preseason, but I did expect him to look better than he has based on his draft status. A lot of fans were disappointed with his play during preseason. There was little talk about him from the media during training camp. He wasn’t impressing anyone. It’s still early and there’s a long way to go. We’ll see if he develops. Hate to say it, but I was having the same discussions and making the same comments about Taco.
 

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I wouldn’t be comparing him with Jonathan Hankins. If the Cowboys thought he was anything special they wouldn’t have burned a first round pick on Mazi.
You need more than one big guy. You can’t use Hankins playing the first snap of the game as proof that Mazi is a disappointment. Just because you expected Mazi to “start” doesn’t make it a valid point. Mazi didn’t play bad at all for his first game ever in the NFL.

You’re locked in to the thinking that you have a starter and a backup. That isn’t really what Quinn is doing here. Hankins and Mazi are both going to play and get a lot of snaps… probably close to equal, I suspect.

Quinn rotates so much on the DL that most of them up and down the line are going to play a lot. That is even more so at NT when you have to keep those big guys fresh.

Sometimes (like short yardage) Quinn is going to have both Hankins and Mazi in at the same time. My guess would be Mazi at 3T and Hankins at the 1 or 0. Sometimes, he won’t have either in (like third and long). If a team is trying to run a lot, Quinn will play them both a lot. If Dallas is way ahead like they were Sunday night, neither big guy will get a lot of snaps.

The team didn’t draft Mazi to take over a starting position from Hankins, who played well last year. They drafted him to help Hankins. The guys who were rotating with Hankins last year is who Mazi replaced (Bohanna and Watkins). When Hankins does hang it up, they’ll probably draft someone at that point to replace him.

You need more than one big guy.
 

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You need more than one big guy. You can’t use Hankins playing the first snap of the game as proof that Mazi is a disappointment. Just because you expected Mazi to “start” doesn’t make it a valid point. Mazi didn’t play bad at all for his first game ever in the NFL.

You’re locked in to the thinking that you have a starter and a backup. That isn’t really what Quinn is doing here. Hankins and Mazi are both going to play and get a lot of snaps… probably close to equal, I suspect.

Quinn rotates so much on the DL that most of them up and down the line are going to play a lot. That is even more so at NT when you have to keep those big guys fresh.

Sometimes (like short yardage) Quinn is going to have both Hankins and Mazi in at the same time. My guess would be Mazi at 3T and Hankins at the 1 or 0. Sometimes, he won’t have either in (like third and long). If a team is trying to run a lot, Quinn will play them both a lot. If Dallas is way ahead like they were Sunday night, neither big guy will get a lot of snaps.

The team didn’t draft Mazi to take over a starting position from Hankins, who played well last year. They drafted him to help Hankins. The guys who were rotating with Hankins last year is who Mazi replaced (Bohanna and Watkins). When Hankins does hang it up, they’ll probably draft someone at that point to replace him.

You need more than one big guy.
Do you honestly think the plan was to use a first round pick on Mazi so he could backup Hankins? Mazi didn’t look bad, but he’s still not getting off the ball quick enough. It’s not like I’m expecting him to be Warren Sapp, but he has to get off the ball quicker which was a problem during preseason. The Cowboys most certainly did draft Mazi to be a starter. They re-signed Hankins to a one-year deal, so they’re not looking past the 2023 season with him. They want Hankins helping Mazi. You definitely need more than one big guy, but you want your first round pick starting, not playing second fiddle to a 31 year old you traded a 7th round pick for and only extended for this season.
 
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