McC-ran offenses *have always* included at least one big boy in backfield

[shabazz]

…..makes one reminisce about the football era with the Moose Johnstons Larry Center, and Tom Rathmans of the world being utilized.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What "indications" would those be? It's preseason. And the first preseason where McC has had complete and total ownership of the offense, no compromises with the understudy. And and, they did bring Luepke and Fant into the fold, but neither thus far are distinguishing themselves.

the fact that he said so before he took the job. he realized he needed to adjust his scheme to the current NFL. He brought in several of coaches to pick their brains on his year off.

that and we have not brought in any of that archetype with meaningful assets and just cut one with that playstyle just this offseason.

 

[_sturt_]

the fact that he said so before he took the job

He made no such specific comment, and you know it.

He did make a very broad statement, and to be fair to you, maybe that was part of what he had in-mind... I don't pretend to know things I cannot possibly ascend beyond the time/space continuum to know.

Maybe someone should ask him.

we have not brought in any of that archetype with meaningful assets and just cut one with that playstyle just this offseason.

False. We have brought in that archetype, and paid one of them a bonus that is typical of what this team has paid UDFAs who proved to eventually stick.

Fant is 240, Luepke is 230... I'll grant you that his guys in GB routinely were in the 240-250 range, but as I'd said and as virtually all of us understand, the NCAA inventory of FBs is what it is, and there's just not a lot of jumbos to even consider anymore.

Mind you, I'm only trying to read some tea leaves here... I'm not saying what should happen, but what, based on history and point-of-fact "indications"... we should anticipate happening.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

McCarthy hasn't had one of those guys for the last 3 seasons.

 

[_sturt_]

McCarthy hasn't had one of those guys for the last 3 seasons.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mcc...one-big-boy-in-backfield.512711/post-12858173

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mcc...one-big-boy-in-backfield.512711/post-12858173

I don't know what this is supposed to be referencing.

Have the Cowboys under McCarthy carried one of these guys? No. So the idea that McCarthy offenses always carry one of them is wrong.

 

[Risen Star]

Why cheaper for veterinarians? That's weird.

 

[Risen Star]

McCarthy will be hard pressed to improve on Kellen Moore. No matter what fans have to say about it.

 

[CouchCoach]

McCarthy hasn't had one of those guys for the last 3 seasons.

He also hasn’t been playing on the same field conditions as he did back then.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Im just happy Big Mike is here for another season ,

You know Jerry cant wait to fire him and put an awful puppet.

 

[_sturt_]

I don't know what this is supposed to be referencing.

It's referencing that your assertion has already been addressed. You can offer counterpoints, but we know that until now McC has been an overseer but not really the architect of the offense. He is that now, which is why Kellen's not here. Until now, arguably, the compromise was that, from time to time, an OG would line up in the backfield on certain plays.

McCarthy offenses

That's not what we've had. We've had Kellen Moore offenses within some boundaries that his boss established.

 

[blueblood70]

Go look it up if you don't believe me, but most will recall McC's appetite in GB for having a Ripkowski or a Kuhn or a Lacy... big boys listed at 240-250 lb.

But there's really no one like that currently seeming to be a competitor for the 53-man. Think they may have been (and may still be) hoping to catch the proverbial lightning in a bottle with Luepke, but even if he was turning heads, he's only 230.

Leads to the question whether they've got their eye on some other teams' larger RBs and FBs that they suspect could be on the bubble.

One interesting radar blip I've discovered is that LAC writers are thinking FB Zander Horvath, in his 2nd year out of Purdue, is quite possibly going to be on the outside looking in to the new Kellen Moore offense. He didn't get a lot of snaps last weekend.

Yeah of course way back in the day that doesn't mean he's not adaptable to the running back by committee new age way of running I think he's got enough analytics and people realizing that's what we're going with just because he did that with Green Bay doesn't mean he's gonna do exactly the same thing I mean would you want him to somebody go back look at all the old and just be able to diagnose them no he's integrating our old offense with his offense and they're gonna fine tune it to our current crop of players.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It's referencing that your assertion has already been addressed. You can offer counterpoints, but we know that until now McC has been an overseer but not really the architect of the offense. He is that now, which is why Kellen's not here. Until now, arguably, the compromise was that, from time to time, an OG would line up in the backfield on certain plays.

That's not what we've had. We've had Kellen Moore offenses within some boundaries that his boss established.

Yea I know what you said, but it's wrong.

The idea that the HC isn't an "architect" of the offensive personnel is bunk, especially when he's an offensive coach.

 

[_sturt_]

McCarthy will be hard pressed to improve

Define "improve."

I think that's the pivot point here.

Based on McC's comments, he doesn't want to see the offense measured in yards or TDs. He wants to see the offense measured in wins... theory being, perhaps put too simplistically... there are times to score as fast as you can, and there are times when you want to give your defense some downtime.

 

[_sturt_]

doesn't mean

It's true. History does not always predict what to expect.

But it often does. And again, I'm not saying what should happen. I'm only observing that McC's philosophies historically have included use of a big boy in the backfield. The Luepke experiment doesn't appear to be working out, neither Fant. It should not surprise anyone that the same motivation that brought those two to the roster at all might persist, and especially so, again, given McC's history.

 

[blueblood70]

It's true. History does not always predict what to expect.

But it often does. And again, I'm not saying what should happen. I'm only observing that McC's philosophies historically have included use of a big boy in the backfield. The Luepke experiment doesn't appear to be working out, neither Fant. It should not surprise anyone that the same motivation that brought those two to the roster at all might persist, and especially so, again, given McC's history.

I'm standing by the fact that he's not gonna be that predictable and go back to some old age doubt offense that won't work in today's NFL there's a reason we got rid of zeke and we now have what we might have running back by committee type rotation with smaller faster backs and we can use other people on the team as fullbacks and short yardage blockers we don't need it to be a staple of the offense.. He literally said that they're only changing about 30% maybe 40% of the offense and most of it is passing game IE the passing routes and the shorter quicker pass game and that will include a lot of these running backs we have that can actually catch the football.

 

[eromeopolk]

Go look it up if you don't believe me, but most will recall McC's appetite in GB for having a Ripkowski or a Kuhn or a Lacy... big boys listed at 240-250 lb.

But there's really no one like that currently seeming to be a competitor for the 53-man. Think they may have been (and may still be) hoping to catch the proverbial lightning in a bottle with Luepke, but even if he was turning heads, he's only 230.

Leads to the question whether they've got their eye on some other teams' larger RBs and FBs that they suspect could be on the bubble.

One interesting radar blip I've discovered is that LAC writers are thinking FB Zander Horvath, in his 2nd year out of Purdue, is quite possibly going to be on the outside looking in to the new Kellen Moore offense. He didn't get a lot of snaps last weekend.

You are right. But the Big Blue M&M has never been a lame duck coach before with an owner like Jerry Dumbo GM Jones. Think about all the FBs post Moose and Red Rock that for whatever reason a roster spot was not given. Parcells had the last FB of memory in Richie Anderson. Every year the need one and every year they don't have one.

 

[_sturt_]

there's a reason we got rid of zeke

Agreed.

Money.

 

[Creeper]

I assumed they drafted Luepke to fill that role if he showed he was more than just a blocker in preseason. Of course they can put a big linemen in at FB and let him block for the RB, but the role of the big back in McCarthy's system was more than just a lead blocker. Luepke can run routes, catch passes, lead block and also carry the football occasionally and gain positive yards - in theory. If he can do it in games, I think McCarthy will incorporate him into the offense. If not then he sticks with the "jumbo" package.

 

[Risen Star]

Define "improve."

I think that's the pivot point here.

Based on McC's comments, he doesn't want to see the offense measured in yards or TDs. He wants to see the offense measured in wins... theory being, perhaps put too simplistically... there are times to score as fast as you can, and there are times when you want to give your defense some downtime.

Exactly. Nonsense is what you mean.