Mcfadden RB analysis vs Murray

[EMMITTnROY]

I appreciate the OP's time and effort into this. Truly.

But my analysts is a lot simpler...

DeMarco > McFadden
Randle => McFadden
McFadden > Dunbar
Williams = ???
Gurley/Gordon > Randle/McFadden
Randle/McFadden => all other rookie RBs
Peterson > all of the above

 

[AzorAhai]

I appreciate the OP's time and effort into this. Truly.

But my analysts is a lot simpler...

DeMarco > McFadden
Randle => McFadden
McFadden > Dunbar
Williams = ???
Gurley/Gordon > Randle/McFadden
Randle/McFadden => all other rookie RBs
Peterson > all of the above

I don't really think it's debatable that Murray is better than DMC. Better in certain area? Yes. A better RB? No, absolutely not.

 

[Seanleebaby]

I appreciate the OP's time and effort into this. Truly.

But my analysts is a lot simpler...

DeMarco > McFadden
Randle => McFadden
McFadden > Dunbar
Williams = ???
Gurley/Gordon > Randle/McFadden
Randle/McFadden => all other rookie RBs
Peterson > all of the above

He said Murray vs McFadden is a push. There was no analysis. It was more "let's see how much crap I clan throw at the wall to justify the Cowboys not addressing the RB position.

 

[Little Jr]

What tape are y'all watching of McFadden? Lol College? I'm not gonna defend or bash Murray. Hes no longer a cowboy so I dont care. Im just curious as to where all the praise for McFadden comes from.

 

[Bullflop]

Last year, Murray proved himself to be highly capable of being an extremely valuable contributor to our offense. McFadden has yet to do so. He's had one 1000-yd. year in Oakland while also logging far lesser ones. Perhaps operating behind a more effective line in Dallas will serve him well in 2015. Nevertheless, it remains to be seen.

 

[windjc]

Murray -
durability (wins)
zone blocking reads (wins)
patience before burst (wins)
keeping legs churning and body forward (wins)
falling forward (wins)
push (wins)


Just mentioning a few comparisons you left out.

 

[AzorAhai]

Murray -
durability (wins)
zone blocking reads (wins)
patience before burst (wins)
keeping legs churning and body forward (wins)
falling forward (wins)
push (wins)


Just mentioning a few comparisons you left out.

I'm not making a case for DMC being better than Murray, but your categories are stretching it to say the least.

Keeps legs moving and body forward, falling forward and push could very easily be categorized as finishing runs. It seems that you're reaching on reasons Murray is better and it's unnecessary. One could easily do similar for DMC and it doesn't add to the comparison, but takes away from it.

 

[d_dub88]

Murray -
durability (wins) One season now he's a durable RB?
zone blocking reads (wins) I have never in my life seen another pro back miss as many holes as DeMarco.
patience before burst (wins) Does DeMarco really have a burst?
keeping legs churning and body forward (wins) Just before he fumbles.
falling forward (wins) Just before he fumbles.
push (wins) Just before he fumbles.


Just mentioning a few comparisons you left out.

And I was a Murray fan.

 

[CF74]

We can revisit this thread if and when Run DMC puts up 1,900+ but I'm thinking it's closer to 1,200...

 

[d_dub88]

We can revisit this thread if and when Run DMC puts up 1,900+ but I'm thinking it's closer to 1,200...

Is 1,200 a bad thing if we actually use RB by committee?

 

[CF74]

Is 1,200 a bad thing if we actually use RB by committee?

Nope

 

[superonyx]

These "measurable" traits are part of the reason so many running backs have been drafted very high just to fall flat at the next level. It doesn't translate to success in the NFL. Murray just signed a huge contract while McFadden is playing on a "prove it" deal.

 

[darthseinfeld]

What tape are y'all watching of McFadden? Lol College? I'm not gonna defend or bash Murray. Hes no longer a cowboy so I dont care. Im just curious as to where all the praise for McFadden comes from.

He's a Cowboy

 

[Section446]

Some of you are hilarious, McFadden isn't comparable to Murray in any way. Murray just finished the best season in Cowboys history by an RB. McFadden on the other hand was stashed on the RAIDERS (let me say that again... THE RAIDERS) depth-chart, in favor of a 6th round pick who wasn't even invited to the Combine.

I get it, his YouTube highlights are fun to look at, but the reality is that he's been an epic bust in the NFL to this point because of his never ending injuries. To think that because he's now a Cowboy that his injuries are going to magically go away is simply illogical.

I pray to the football God's that McFadden can get it together this year, truly, but until proven otherwise, he's got nothing on Murray, and I say this as someone who was 100% for letting Murray walk for what the Eagles paid him.

 

[Ashwynn]

Either way, with either back, were still good. Murray - Mcfadden....Really guys its not like were debating Quincy vs Hutchinson. Both the guys in the current question are good and the guys behind McFadden are good. Williams, Randle, Dunbar. Not a one of em is even close to Quincy-Hutch. Murray is gone,

If we do get AP we have to get rid of someone else, who then goes. With AP it could be a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians.

I think were golden at RB and nned to spend more time debating whether Lee is going to make it through a full season without an injury. Just my thoughts.

 

[superonyx]

Either way, with either back, were still good. Murray - Mcfadden....Really guys its not like were debating Quincy vs Hutchinson. Both the guys in the current question are good and the guys behind McFadden are good. Williams, Randle, Dunbar. Not a one of em is even close to Quincy-Hutch. Murray is gone,

If we do get AP we have to get rid of someone else, who then goes. With AP it could be a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians.

I think were golden at RB and nned to spend more time debating whether Lee is going to make it through a full season without an injury. Just my thoughts.

If we get AP then who goes? How about who cares? That's a good problem to have. I'm surely not going to worry about the training camp battle for the last RB spot when we have Adrian Peterson.
I don't think debating if Sean Lee will make it through a full season without an injury is going to generate much of a response. No one expects him to and there is no way of even having an intelligent discussion on a players injury risk.

 

[jrumann59]

For a guy that was dominant in college and blew up the combine, he has obviously not met expectations in the NFL. He ran a 4.33 at the combine. Has stature 6'1 210. Analysis:

Scores are for Mcfadden:

Vision: 5/10 -average. On par with Murray. Push to pick one, I'd go with Murray. Really, both are below average to average.McFadden has far better vision, Murray ran to darkness in the open field. Murray always seemed to make that cut that took himinto the arms of defender once he got to the 2nd level.

Wiggle/elusiveness: 4/10 -Mcfadden is a one cut. Fast through the line but won't make people miss much. Hopes to blow by them. Murray was not extraordinary here either but Mcfadden is worse. Advantage Murray.You are not elusive when you try and take on tacklers 90% of the time. No top gear Murray.

Speed: 9/10 Neither is as fast as they used to be. Murray ran 4.41 and Mcfadden a mind-blowing 4.33. Injuries and age are probably to blame. For 4.33, Mcfadden does get angled/chased down quite often but he gets the Adv. here.

Burst: 7/10: Both are up right runners but I think Mcfadden has more burst or short area quickness through the line.

Pass catching: 10/10 Both do this well. Mcfadden has natural + hands and gets the slight Adv.

Power: 7/10 Though Mcfadden is a nice NFL sized back, Murray is a power proven work horse. Adv. Murray.

Fumble/Reliability: 8/10 in the last two seasons Mcfadden has lost 2 fumbles and Murray a canoe load. Adv. Mcfadden. McFadden is no Murray but he does not shy away from contact.

Blitz pick up: 8/10 Mcfadden is good, Murray exceptional.Murray blew 3 assignments last year, McFadden is actually considered a better overall blocker in the passing game

4/4 - tie. Murray is a proven commodity and got paid. Mcfadden is not but cost 5.85 over 2 years. Could be a surprise with this line and playing with a top 5 QB. I agree with not paying Murray and that GB fumble was a killer. That's what fumblers do.

Comments in red-ish

 

[jrumann59]

Did you compare total fumbles or fumbles per touch?

McFadden had a fumbling problem in his early years, he has averaged 1 lost over the last 4-5 seasons.

 

[jrumann59]

I don't know what people see when they say Murray doesn't have good vision. It's one of his best traits.

He see's the field much better than DMac

Maybe in traffic but once he gets to the open field he always zigs instead of zags. Part of that was his plan to prove he is tough back by seeking out contact part of it was he has poor peripheral vision in the open field. I would say over the course of the season he probably left 400 yards on the field.

 

[jnday]

He's a Cowboy

The day that he signed with Dallas, he became a great RB that was just on a bad team. It didn't matter that he wasn't the best RB on the Raider's team and has had a very disappointing career. Some of these guys are acting like Dallas just signed a top ten draft pick with great potential . They are overlooking his history in the pros and his injuries. The guy has been a bust and can't remember any RBs that was a bust in his prime years that suddenly improved after his first contract in the league.