Mcfadden Similiar to Bush?

[khiladi]

I see. That's what you were doing. You were studying for your mathematics and engineering degrees while the rest of us were watching football games. That does explain why you only have 4 minutes available for your information gathering.

Well done.

Our college background aside, last time I checked, they don't hire engineers and mathematicians to draft players for the NFL..

And is this is another example of his deductive reasoning skills, he probably was in charge of the civil engineering project that built the bridge that collapsed in Minnesota.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

So all those highlights of Jones, Johnson, Charles, Stewart, Mendenhall, Rice, and such that just show them running away from guys, or around guys, and scoring long runs means they can't break tackles either?

Where are the highlights that ONLY show great backs breaking tackle after tackle after tackle on their long runs for TDs? I'm sure they all have a highlight here or there that shows them but I don't recall a back, ever, having only highlights that showed him busting tackles.

 

[BigDave95]

So all those highlights of Jones, Johnson, Charles, Stewart, Mendenhall, Rice, and such that just show them running away from guys, or around guys, and scoring long runs means they can't break tackles either?

Where are the highlights that ONLY show great backs breaking tackle after tackle after tackle on their long runs for TDs? I'm sure they all have a highlight here or there that shows them but I don't recall a back, ever, having only highlights that showed him busting tackles.

Maybe McFadden should have slowed down some and run directly towards the defenders so youtube could get some better clips of him breaking tackles.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you don't think McFadden breaks tackles well, you are either a fool or have never seen him play.

Oh yeah, I remember you. You base all your McFadden analysis off the Sportscenter highlights you caught.

I agree. Having seen a lot of McFadden over the last 2 years.

Strengths:
An outstanding natural athlete...Has very good size...Excellent timed speed with a burst...Has great vision and instincts...Big play threat who can take it the distance at any time..Elusive with nice feet..Quick and agile...Real strong...Tough and loves contact...Runs hard and does not go down easy...Has decent hands and can be a weapon in the passing game..Plays with a nasty demeanor..Extremely productive.

Weaknesses:
Has some off-the-field and character questions...Legs and lower body are a little thin....Might run too high and open himself up to big hits...Could still improve as a blocker...Does not have a ton of experience as a receiver...Did not really play in a conventional offense in college and shared the workload...Ball security is an issue.

Notes:
Burst onto the scene as a true freshman...The Heisman Trophy runner-up as both a sophomore and a junior...In the summer of '06 he dislocated his toe (which later required surgery) while trying to kick someone during a fight outside a night club at 4am...In January of 2008 was handcuffed during a disturbance outside of a bar shortly after midnight because according to the police report he was agitated and provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident....Often worked as a shotgun quarterback in the Razorbacks "Wildcat" package and showed the ability to throw the ball...Pure football player with all the physical tools who is as good or perhaps an even better prospect than Adrian Peterson was coming out...A rare talent who should rank amongst the top running backs in the NFL very early in his pro career.
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[YosemiteSam]

So all those highlights of Jones, Johnson, Charles, Stewart, Mendenhall, Rice, and such that just show them running away from guys, or around guys, and scoring long runs means they can't break tackles either?

Where are the highlights that ONLY show great backs breaking tackle after tackle after tackle on their long runs for TDs? I'm sure they all have a highlight here or there that shows them but I don't recall a back, ever, having only highlights that showed him busting tackles.

I'm a big Chris Johnson fan. Guess what, his highlights actually show him break tackles.

My thoughts are draft two DBs or a DB and a WR in the first, and Chris Johnson in the second. I would be damn happy. (providing that WR wasn't DeSean Jackson of course or Bowman)

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BigDave, I see this is your first go around with nyc... Next thing you know, your ability to think logically will be questioned. :laugh2:

LOL, in looking back I see you already got that.

 

[BigDave95]

BigDave, I see this is your first go around with nyc... Next thing you know, your ability to think logically will be questioned. :laugh2:

Was that your analysis of McFadden or was that from another source? I agreed with most of it but have a couple small issues.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

this thread is laughable at best lol @ highlights showing a player skill

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

If you equate Bush to DMC you don't know **** about the sport of football.

Amen, DMC is a power runner, people look at his frame and don't think so, he's a Eric Dickerson type running back with world class speed...

 

[YosemiteSam]

BigDave, I see this is your first go around with nyc... Next thing you know, your ability to think logically will be questioned. :laugh2:

LOL, in looking back I see you already got that.

Nah, BigDave consistently spews inept, unfounded, biased opinions as fact.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Was that your analysis of McFadden or was that from another source? I agreed with most of it but have a couple small issues.

My analysis? (Just wondering if you quoted the right person.)

But if it was my post, yes, it was mine. I try to go by my own eyes and not copy what the so-called draft gurus say.

 

[theogt]

Per usual, nyc got woodshedded in this thread.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

McFadden wasn't stopped even when teams knew who was getting the ball, the guy has world class speed, good power and excellent intial burst and very good vision... There is no comparison as far as I'm concerned.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Per usual, nyc got woodshedded in this thread.

Alright Kiper.

 

[BigDave95]

My analysis? (Just wondering if you quoted the right person.)

But if it was my post, yes, it was mine. I try to go by my own eyes and not copy what the so-called draft gurus say.

Yes. I was talking about this:

Strengths:
An outstanding natural athlete...Has very good size...Excellent timed speed with a burst...Has great vision and instincts...Big play threat who can take it the distance at any time..Elusive with nice feet..Quick and agile...Real strong...Tough and loves contact...Runs hard and does not go down easy...Has decent hands and can be a weapon in the passing game..Plays with a nasty demeanor..Extremely productive.

Weaknesses:
Has some off-the-field and character questions...Legs and lower body are a little thin....Might run too high and open himself up to big hits...Could still improve as a blocker...Does not have a ton of experience as a receiver...Did not really play in a conventional offense in college and shared the workload...Ball security is an issue.

Notes:
Burst onto the scene as a true freshman...The Heisman Trophy runner-up as both a sophomore and a junior...In the summer of '06 he dislocated his toe (which later required surgery) while trying to kick someone during a fight outside a night club at 4am...In January of 2008 was handcuffed during a disturbance outside of a bar shortly after midnight because according to the police report he was agitated and provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident....Often worked as a shotgun quarterback in the Razorbacks "Wildcat" package and showed the ability to throw the ball...Pure football player with all the physical tools who is as good or perhaps an even better prospect than Adrian Peterson was coming out...A rare talent who should rank amongst the top running backs in the NFL very early in his pro career.

It's very good. I didn't know if you cut and pasted it off a draft site or it was yours.

My issues:

1) It's the WildHOG not the Wildcat . Houston and the UofA worked hard to rebrand that formation after Gus Malzahn left.
2) I don't think receiving should be listed in his strengths. He did catch the occasional swing pass and did his thing with it but he really struggled with that bubble screen they tried to install for him. He can always work on that but I don't think receiving is a strength at all for him.
3) Under weaknesses, you mention blocking. I think he is an EXCEPTIONAL blocker. I enjoyed watching him destroy linebackers on blitz pickup and he was deadly on Felix's kickoff return. I wish they kept a pancake block stat for returns. He's a willing and physical blocker who's shown very good technique.
4) And finally, I don't think it's fair to say he has character questions. The toe injury occurred when he was fighting with men he was trying to stop from stealing his cousin's car. He had on flip flops and kicked a curb. After that injury it was said he felt terrible about letting his team down. He quit going out and stayed in almost every night. He'd hang out playing video games with friends and improved his studies. He learned from that mistake.

The second incident was at a piano bar and it was his brother involved in a skirmish. The police cuffed him and kept him way off to the side and gave him the VIP treatment to help him out. He was ticked that his brother took a punch but was never involved with the fight at all.

There are plenty of players with legitimate character issues and that's just not Darren McFadden. He's a very good kid. Very respectful and friendly and by no means goes out looking for trouble.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh no, that isn't my writeup. Someone copied that from some draft site.

BTW, Dave, I'd like to hear your detailed breakdown on Felix. I like him, but I don't think he runs very strong. IMO he has to be out in open space to be effective. What do you think?

 

[BigDave95]

Oh no, that isn't my writeup. Someone copied that from some draft site.

BTW, Dave, I'd like to hear your detailed breakdown on Felix. I like him, but I don't think he runs very strong. IMO he has to be out in open space to be effective. What do you think?

Agree completely.

In space, he's every bit as deadly as Reggie Bush. It's very cliche to say he can take it to the house every time he touches it, but it's completely true with Felix.

My problem with Felix though is ALL his success came when he was able to get to the corner. Out of the Wildhog, defenses would be packed close to the line of scrimmage and in tight to stop McFadden. Felix would line up in the slot, come in motion, take the handoff (already with a running start), and get to the edge. Once out there, he was phenomenal but how does that really translate to the NFL.

When he was running out of the I, he wasn't nearly that effective. He really struggled in standard formations.

Felix really scares me. While I love the idea of him busting the 70 yard touchdown on a swing pass or sweep, I cringe at the memory of his 2 yard gains up the middle. I don't know which we'd get.

One birght spot though is he is an excellent return man. I'm talking Devin Hester-like on kickoffs. I do think that aspect will translate to the NFL so at the very least, he'll give you that.