McKinney at DE?

[ABQcowboyJR]

I dont understand how you don't see orchard. Just put 4 sacks on a 1st round OT Peat. Put up 18 sacks ve top teams. Has a slow 40 and 3 cone drill for a 34 OLB showing he's a but stiff in the hips to play that position and never really dropped back. But oh well.

I woukd love Edwards and Smith. I think both can be Strong side DE and can move inside on passing downs or in the nickel.

I like Jarrett as a 1 tech. Squatty square strong player. Broaddus says he's a 3 but listening to broad us over the years he doesn't understand this defense. He was calling crawford a 1 last offseason.

I like Gabe Wright as a rotatonal 3.

Cooper didn't impress me on film or at the combine. Short arm and not great burst. He's stock was helped by a good 40 but hurt by short arms.

Im just not so high on Orchard. I see hustle and him taking advantage of opportunities rather than creating them. My exact scouting notes for Orchard.
-Liability vs run
-Good quickness
-Decent strength @POA

as for Jarret
-Active hands
-Solid base
-Plays w/ leverage
-No quickness, slow footed
-Run defender

As for Cooper
-First step, great quickness
-Sheds well
-Attacks gaps, penetrating player
-Active

I dont have a problem taking Orchard, just not where we would need to take him to get him. Kid will be over drafted IMO.

 

[supercowboy8]

Im just not so high on Orchard. I see hustle and him taking advantage of opportunities rather than creating them. My exact scouting notes for Orchard.
-Liability vs run
-Good quickness
-Decent strength @POA

as for Jarret
-Active hands
-Solid base
-Plays w/ leverage
-No quickness, slow footed
-Run defender

As for Cooper
-First step, great quickness
-Sheds well
-Attacks gaps, penetrating player
-Active

I dont have a problem taking Orchard, just not where we would need to take him to get him. Kid will be over drafted IMO.

To each their own. I like him but I don't think or really want dallas to draft him. I thinkhe is a RDE only and woukd only be a rotation with Lawerence. We need a LDE thay can get pressure every down. Preston Smith is my favorite for that side

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

To each their own. I like him but I don't think or really want dallas to draft him. I thinkhe is a RDE only and woukd only be a rotation with Lawerence. We need a LDE thay can get pressure every down. Preston Smith is my favorite for that side

I like Smith alot too. Lots of versatility and i love when he was moved inside on passing downs, he bacame a force. Im not so sure yet the DLaw isnt a SDE. I would have no problem with drafting a WDE. I just dont know yet.

 

[xwalker]

Im just not so high on Orchard. I see hustle and him taking advantage of opportunities rather than creating them. My exact scouting notes for Orchard.
-Liability vs run
-Good quickness
-Decent strength @POA

as for Jarret
-Active hands
-Solid base
-Plays w/ leverage
-No quickness, slow footed
-Run defender

As for Cooper
-First step, great quickness
-Sheds well
-Attacks gaps, penetrating player
-Active

I dont have a problem taking Orchard, just not where we would need to take him to get him. Kid will be over drafted IMO.

Be sure to watch something besides the Ohio State game for Jarrett.

 

[supercowboy8]

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I like Smith alot too. Lots of versatility and i love when he was moved inside on passing downs, he bacame a force. Im not so sure yet the DLaw isnt a SDE. I would have no problem with drafting a WDE. I just dont know yet.

I think you have to give him this year to see. Drafting a guy to also play RDE would be a luxury pick and take time away from lawrence

 

[AsthmaField]

I dont understand how you don't see orchard. Just put 4 sacks on a 1st round OT Peat. Put up 18 sacks ve top teams. Has a slow 40 and 3 cone drill for a 34 OLB showing he's a but stiff in the hips to play that position and never really dropped back. But oh well.

I woukd love Edwards and Smith. I think both can be Strong side DE and can move inside on passing downs or in the nickel.

I like Jarrett as a 1 tech. Squatty square strong player. Broaddus says he's a 3 but listening to broad us over the years he doesn't understand this defense. He was calling crawford a 1 last offseason.

I like Gabe Wright as a rotatonal 3.

Cooper didn't impress me on film or at the combine. Short arm and not great burst. He's stock was helped by a good 40 but hurt by short a Irms.

For the most part, I see it a lot like you do here. Orchard is a solid guy. I don't think I'd want him at 27 but in a 43 defense, I think he'd be ok.

I do like Preston Smith at SDE a good bit. I think he'd be a nice addition to Marinelli's line and would give some package versatility (SDE in base and rush from inside in the nickel and dime). Somewhat like Crawford actually although I think he might be a little better at DE and not quite as good inside. With Mincey, Crawford, Lawrence, T McClain, etc., Preston would allow Marinelli any number of combinations up front in his rotation.

Edwards isn't a favorite of mine. Although he has really good athleticism for a guy his size, I'm not crazy about his intangibles. Something about him I just don't like. He should have been much more productive in college with his measurables and playing for a defense that was always playing with a lead. I simply don't think you will get 100% from Edwards on every snap... and that is what Marinelli wants and demands. I could be wrong about him but I don't like him.

Jarrett, I like a lot for a mid round DT. I see him as a 1-tech, just like you do. A hard to move 1-tech with a little wiggle that wouldn't wear down in a rotation. He moves well for a 300 pound guy, in part because of his low center of gravity. At 6-1 his change of direction is simply better than a guy 6-4 can have. His shorter stature also allows him to have terrific leverage and hold up well against the run. I don't think he's going to get you very many sacks but IMO he would be very nice in a rotation at the 1-tech. Broaddus just sees that Jarrett is undersized and has some quickness and so thinks he's a 3-tech, but Bryan has shown a number of times that he's not real good at figuring out where Marinelli will want to play a guy.

I also like Gabe Wright and see him as able to play some at the 3. I just wouldn't want him or Jarrett very early though. Third round or lower IMO would be fine for adding either one to the rotation. I don't see them as first or second round players.

 

[AsthmaField]

As for Edwards, I'd rather have Za'Darius Smith than him. Smith has all the intangibles that Edwards doesn't IMO and while he isn't quite the natural athlete that Edwards is, I think he will be the better SDE in Marinelli's scheme... not to mention that Smith is exactly the type of player that Rod likes.

Here is a part of a scouting report on Smith:

Stays assignment sound and rarely take himself out of plays. Physical striker and reliable tackler, using his length to wrap and finish. Only average speed, but terrific effort each snap and fights through the whistle. Fiery competitor and plays with a passionate demeanor, always fired up. Versatile experience as an edge rusher at both left and right end, also lining up inside as a 3-tech tackle.

Always smiling and carry himself with a positive attitude and the coaches talk highly about his growth, both physically and mentally.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061139/zadarius-smith

Smith will be drafted after Edwards IMO and will provide really good value for a defense like Dallas'.

 

[xwalker]

As for Edwards, I'd rather have Za'Darius Smith than him. Smith has all the intangibles that Edwards doesn't IMO and while he isn't quite the natural athlete that Edwards is, I think he will be the better SDE in Marinelli's scheme... not to mention that Smith is exactly the type of player that Rod likes.

Here is a part of a scouting report on Smith:

Stays assignment sound and rarely take himself out of plays. Physical striker and reliable tackler, using his length to wrap and finish. Only average speed, but terrific effort each snap and fights through the whistle. Fiery competitor and plays with a passionate demeanor, always fired up. Versatile experience as an edge rusher at both left and right end, also lining up inside as a 3-tech tackle.

Always smiling and carry himself with a positive attitude and the coaches talk highly about his growth, both physically and mentally.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061139/zadarius-smith

Smith will be drafted after Edwards IMO and will provide really good value for a defense like Dallas'.

Yes, I think I would prefer Za'Darius Smith to Edwards.

 

[Risen Star]

Yes, Cooper should be ranked ahead of Jarrett.

Jarrett is an interesting later round developmental guy, but the Cowboys already have several developmental DTs.

Smith and Edwards don't wow me.

I will say that I think Jarrett is much better then the review by Dantheman. My guess is that he just reviewed the Ohio St. game. That team made many players look bad.

I completely disagree. Jarrett's a 2nd round value to me. A complete steal after that.