McNabb WAS short of the first down.

[Bleu Star]

I hate to admit it, but I think McNabb did get the first. That picture doesnt show his forward progress. That pic is after he had slid down the pile.

Regardless, Philly got a terrible spot. The 3rd down measurement was closer than the 4th down measurement, meaning the refs actually soppted the ball BEHIND the 4th down LOS.

I won't shed any tears for them, made up for the blatant Samuel PI in the 1st half.

We've had enough bad breaks. It's about time some of these things began to break our way.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Definitely short from those pictures. He had to get to the tip of the beak. He didn't.

 

[Hoofbite]

This is taken off wikipedia and I'm aware of the fallibility of wikis so you can spare me that and stubbornly reject it. But I know for a fact that this has been corroborated by more official sources.

I dunno. I'm sure someone has the rule book. Just doesn't seem reasonable IMO.

What happens when someone challenges the spot without there being any sort of question of 1st down? They automatically lose a timeout no matter what?

Its not unreasonable to see a scenario where the defense challenges the spot of a 3rd down play because they think the opposition should have a longer distance to go on 4th down.

I just can't see that being the rule. If a team challenges and it is decided the ball is going to be moved, how the hell can they lose a timeout for being right? You're either right or you're not. There is no middle ground where you are correct enough to overturn the play but still lose a timeout.

 

[Hostile]

I hate to admit it, but I think McNabb did get the first. That picture doesnt show his forward progress. That pic is after he had slid down the pile.

Regardless, Philly got a terrible spot. The 3rd down measurement was closer than the 4th down measurement, meaning the refs actually soppted the ball BEHIND the 4th down LOS.

I won't shed any tears for them, made up for the blatant Samuel PI in the 1st half.

You're full of crap. That picture shows the ball further than at any point in his forward progress and it was still short of the 10 yards needed.

 

[visionary]

did mcnabb get the first down or not
anyone have any pictures?

 

[superpunk]

I'm not going to lie. I settled this issue a long time ago.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

did mcnabb get the first down or not
anyone have any pictures?

There is a picture of his elbow down with the ball just short of the beak of the Eagle. Even if it had been moved up a few inches, since the first down marker was just past the beak of the Eagle, then it wouldn't have changed things.

Still remains simply as an example of the bEagles and their jackhole fans trying to make excuses.

 

[Doomsday101]

The ref said he did not get it and replay said he did not get it so philly fans can cry all they want

 

[CowboyWay]

I'm glad the OP started this thread, and fantastic job with the photos theogt. I've been saying this to anyone who will listen for days. I went back and forth on my tivo a dozen times and I came to the same conclusion.

IT WAS NOT A FIRST DOWN !!!

Why is it that a bunch of us knuckleheads on a message board can figure this out, but nobody in the national news can do the same?

Journalism is dead.

 

[visionary]

There is a picture of his elbow down with the ball just short of the beak of the Eagle. Even if it had been moved up a few inches, since the first down marker was just past the beak of the Eagle, then it wouldn't have changed things.

Still remains simply as an example of the bEagles and their jackhole fans trying to make excuses.

in case you missed it, i was being sarcastic

 

[Temo]

Look who made the play, by the way: none other than Keith Brooking.

 

[thekavorka]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/12/pereira-admits-error-in-cowboys-eagles-game/

When discussing earlier this week his team's inability to win close games, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb partially blamed the outcome of the most recent narrow loss on an officiating blunder on Sunday night against the Cowboys.

In the online-only bonus portion of his weekly "Official Review" segment on NFL Network's Total Access, league V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira was candid regarding the decision via replay review not to move the ball after McNabb was stopped on a fourth-and-short quarterback sneak during the fourth quarter.

As Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth pointed out during the NBC broadcast, the fact that the play occurred near the midfield Eagles logo made it easy for the referee to identify the precise spot at which the ball should have been placed in advance of a new measurement, in order to determine whether McNabb actually had earned a first down.

Pereira agreed.

"I think I'd move it," Pereira told host Rich Eisen. (Not to be confused with "I think it moved.")

Pereira explained that there was enough evidence on the video to "establish a point" at which the ball could have been placed, in relation to the beak on the bird that has been painted on the grass.

He also said that, without the logo present, the ball could not have been moved. The presence of that point of reference made it easier to re-spot the ball, and then to bring the sticks back out.

"It might have made a difference," Pereira conceded.

And, given the specific circumstances at the time, that might have made a difference in the outcome of the game.

As the league continues to search for the new Mike Pereira, we're hopeful that the next guy has the same willingness to acknowledge areas in which the men in black and white can do a better job.

Any way to contact PFT with these pictures besides the comments section? Someone needs to shut these guys up.

 

[Doomsay]

I remember thinking at the time that the Eagles seemed to be getting away with PI and some offensive holding, I was wondering if Andy was hoping for some more hometown favoritism, or just needed that 4th down gamble to work and the consequences of losing the timeout were an afterthought.

 

[lurkercowboy]

That thing on the field is not the beak, it is a feather.

 

[AsthmaField]

It really wouldn't be a big deal at all if the game announcers didn't say they thought McNabb got the first down. Once Collinsworth and his pal said that McNabb did indeed get the first down... then every Eagles fan in the country automatically had something to gripe about.

I don't know why everybody can't see he didn't make it.

 

[jaybird]

Funny how the eagles fans are not complaining about the two blantant no calls; The push off on Sensabaugh and the PI on Roy E. Williams. Thats a 14 point swing against us becaues of the refs.

 

[theogt]

I'm not going to lie. I settled this issue a long time ago.

:laugh2:

 

[TD-33]

Funny how the eagles fans are not complaining about the two blantant no calls; The push off on Sensabaugh and the PI on Roy E. Williams. Thats a 14 point swing against us becaues of the refs.

Or the BS PI call on Witten that was prob a make-up call.

 

[bbgun]

Only the Zapruder film has been scrutinized more.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

The spot was bad but even if it had been spotted in the correct place, it's still short. It's LAUGHABLE that Eagles fans ( & even dopey Eagle players ) are blaming the loss on that spot, yet forget that there was OVER 10mins left to play in a TIED game that could have gone either way. Pathetic losers as always.