McShay/Kiper 1st round mock 2/6/14....

[Doomsday101]

I would have no issue with this selection. Having said that I will hope for a DL with the 1st pick but I do think Clinton-Dix would be a quality pick for Dallas.

 

[Nirvana]

If I'm the GM I let my bets ride on the safeties we have, including Matt Johnson, so I can address the front 7 over that position in the early rounds of the draft. Particularly because of what's on the menu in this draft at the safety position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

sounds more like a project. You do not draft projects in the first round. The only time you take a safety in the first is if he is ready to start and shine.

Unless this guy is a future Ed Reed or equivalent then no way

He's the starting Safety for Alabama. Typically, Alabama doesn't start projects but if this is your opinion, that's fine by me.

i would not be disappointed if our pick was Clinton Dix. He's a player and Safety is a need position for us IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's the starting Safety for Alabama. Typically, Alabama doesn't start projects but if this is your opinion, that's fine by me.

i would not be disappointed if our pick was Clinton Dix. He's a player and Safety is a need position for us IMO.

I agree. If the question is do you take DT Jernigan or Clinton Dix then I say Jernigan. Right now Cowboys need impact defensive players and Clinton Dix is just that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree. If the question is do you take DT Jernigan or Clinton Dix then I say Jernigan. Right now Cowboys need impact defensive players and Clinton Dix is just that.

I agree. In fact, I think both where you have the player ranked and the importance of the actual position, along with need should all be factored in and then you make the pick based on that.

However, if it's like last year and we see a run on DL like we did OL last year, Clinton-Dix would not be a bad option IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. In fact, I think both where you have the player ranked and the importance of the actual position, along with need should all be factored in and then you make the pick based on that.

However, if it's like last year and we see a run on DL like we did OL last year, Clinton-Dix would not be a bad option IMO.

No doubt the kid is a quality player and Dallas would benifet greatly on defense in getting him. I'm not looking to just fill holes on defense I want quality on defense

 

[jterrell]

I would rate him as the BPA at #17. I think he would be good at Guard as well as OT.

he is not worth 17 imho.
very strong guy who can play OG or RT but he'll never be elite because he lacks quickness and displays only average feet.

a lesser player to dj fluker imho if only because of less experience.

 

[jterrell]

sounds more like a project. You do not draft projects in the first round. The only time you take a safety in the first is if he is ready to start and shine.

Unless this guy is a future Ed Reed or equivalent then no way

he is not a project.
he was coached by the best db developing coach in college football... nick saban.
in fact saban is a better db coach than any one coaching just that position in the NFL.

he has upside but it not the elite prospect of an earl thomas or eric berry.
that's why he isn't going top 10.

16 imho is the high water mark for dix.

he'd easily be a day 1 starter and massive improvement here.
question is do you pay pick 16 for a guy who may start 7 years but never make a pro bowl at safety.
tough call....
then again drafting a part-time DL at 16 is a tough call too.

 

[unionjack8]

surprised lots havent jumped off the cliff becuase aaron donald wasnt our pick, in fact he didnt make the first round for either guy, coincidentally neither did kony ealy

 

[CowboysLaw87]

sounds more like a project. You do not draft projects in the first round. The only time you take a safety in the first is if he is ready to start and shine.

Unless this guy is a future Ed Reed or equivalent then no way

Wait, seriously? You think the only way you can justify taking a FS in the middle of the 1st round is if he's projected to be equal to the greatest FS in the history of the league? OK...

Clinton-Dix is no project. I do understand why you thought that (you're basing it off a scouting report that I feel is inaccurate). But he's much more starter-ready than the report leads on.

 

[jterrell]

and fwiw....
i badly, badly want a new starting FS but I'd drop down on this scenario and take aaron donald late 1st.

we cant run this scheme without a disruptive 3T imho.

 

[xwalker]

he is not worth 17 imho.
very strong guy who can play OG or RT but he'll never be elite because he lacks quickness and displays only average feet.

a lesser player to dj fluker imho if only because of less experience.

He is more athletic/quicker than Fluker. Kouandjio played in 8 games in 2011 and started all of 2012 and 2013.

Maybe you're thinking of his brother Arie who only started in 2013 at LG.

I'm going to say that it's probably no coincidence that Cyrus Kouandjio's play was not as good in 2013 with his brother at LG as it was in 2012 with Chance Warmack at LG.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

He is more athletic/quicker than Fluker. Kouandjio played in 8 games in 2011 and started all of 2012 and 2013.

Maybe you're thinking of his brother Arie who only started in 2013 at LG.

I'm going to say that it's probably no coincidence that Cyrus Kouandjio's play was not as good in 2013 with his brother at LG as it was in 2012 with Chance Warmack at LG.

I'm glad we're talking about Kouandjio. Not because I've watched him enough to be a huge fan or anything, but I will say this... if we're going to entertain the thought of going OL in R1, I think it has to be a guy that provides this kind of position flex.

Specifically of interest in the first few rounds: guys who can play OG right away (at least compete with Leary/Mack) and be a viable option as the RT of the future.

Guys who fit the bill: Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Billy Turner, Antonio Richardson? Morgan Moses? David Yankey?

If we're trying to protect/invest in the most important aspect of our football team and also get a lot of bang for our buck, these guys seem to provide that kind of value. I know Broaddus recently talked about the idea. Thoughts?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pryor is very interesting as well, at Safety. I am not sure which of these players will grade out better. Will probably come down to the combo scores but either of them would be upgrades at a very important position for us.

 

[Western]

With regards to safety position, I'd take Pryor over Clinton-Dix.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

With regards to safety position, I'd take Pryor over Clinton-Dix.

Agreed. Broaddus is pumping up Terrence Brooks FS Florida State. Checking him out now.

 

[xwalker]

I'm glad we're talking about Kouandjio. Not because I've watched him enough to be a huge fan or anything, but I will say this... if we're going to entertain the thought of going OL in R1, I think it has to be a guy that provides this kind of position flex.

Specifically of interest in the first few rounds: guys who can play OG right away (at least compete with Leary/Mack) and be a viable option as the RT of the future.

Guys who fit the bill: Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Billy Turner, Antonio Richardson? Morgan Moses? David Yankey?

If we're trying to protect/invest in the most important aspect of our football team and also get a lot of bang for our buck, these guys seem to provide that kind of value. I know Broaddus recently talked about the idea. Thoughts?

Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking in the earlier post where I said I thought he could play Guard.

I think Guard is the biggest need but a player that can play both is more valuable. The Cowboys have zero depth at OG. Parnell as the backup OT is 100x better than Phil Costa as the interior backup.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking in the earlier post where I said I thought he could play Guard.

I think Guard is the biggest need but a player that can play both is more valuable. The Cowboys have zero depth at OG. Parnell as the backup OT is 100x better than Phil Costa as the interior backup.

True. What's really scary is the possibility that if Leary or Bernadeau gets hurt, we may actually move Frederick or Free over to guard and either play Costa at C or Parnell at RT. So we'd be getting worse at 2 positions and destroying cohesion just like that. We got extremely lucky with health on the OL this season (ironic, huh?). We can't expect that every season.

Taking a guy out of the group I mentioned in the first couple rounds basically kicks Bernadeau to our #3 OG (thus improving us at OG2 and OG3) and also provides another decent option at backup OT... maybe even the RT of the future in the case of Martin, Kouandjio, Richardson, at minimum. Whole lot of value for that pick.

 

[ghst187]

Dix is not going to be the pick....at least I hope not.

me too! In fact, if the draft plays out exactly like either of those mocks...i'd be perfectly fine, maybe prefer, trading completely out of round 1 and having multiple 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to get a pair of DL, an OL, S, and RB

 

[jterrell]

He is more athletic/quicker than Fluker. Kouandjio played in 8 games in 2011 and started all of 2012 and 2013.

Maybe you're thinking of his brother Arie who only started in 2013 at LG.

I'm going to say that it's probably no coincidence that Cyrus Kouandjio's play was not as good in 2013 with his brother at LG as it was in 2012 with Chance Warmack at LG.

Every time I watched him he was easily beaten.
He has great overall athleticism but showed terrible feet and form at Bama.

He looks like a potential future LT but is definitely a project. Striker and Ford both mercilessly ate him alive.
Not sure how a guy who gives up that many sacks is seriously an R1 prospect.

I'd rather have Fluker who at least is a true and known starting RT. Something you disagreed with last year BTW.