McShay's ESPN Tiered Draft Prospects

[Chuck 54]

McShay's Tier Rankings for 2016 Draft

Interesting format. Bosa still considered the best player in the draft, "a dominant player on the field."

QB's and Ramsey in 2nd tier...surprised by Ramsey, but still 4th highest rating of all players.

 

[DFWJC]

Whether we agree with actual rankings or not, tiers are by far the best way to rank players...and is more the norm for personnel departments.

If you're buying a house and you think it's worth 400k, you don't pay 650 k because you need a better garage and that 400k house has one. Way Overpaying for perceived need is bad business and a terrible way to build a team.

The 4th pick in the draft is worth 50% more than the 12th pick...so don't just throw all that value away. Be smart.

 

[Alexander]

Not surprising. There is a thin top layer of perhaps five, I think McShay's three is discounting a few. But once the top ten is done, all bets are off.

That is why trading down is not exactly advisable.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

McShay's Tier Rankings for 2016 Draft

Interesting format. Bosa still considered the best player in the draft, "a dominant player on the field."

QB's and Ramsey in 2nd tier...surprised by Ramsey, but still 4th highest rating of all players.

McShay knows who the man is

 

[Oh_Canada]

Ramsey is top tier. He allowed a completion rate of 38% and has elite athletic ability.
Jack, if healthy, would also be considered elite.

 

[texbumthelife]

Buckner in the top-3 prospects now? Wow

 

[Sydla]

Not surprising. There is a thin top layer of perhaps five, I think McShay's three is discounting a few. But once the top ten is done, all bets are off.

That is why trading down is not exactly advisable.

I would think the opposite. The Top Tier isn't exactly the strongest of top tiers we've seen in previous drafts. If you believe some of the experts, this draft is short on elite talent but long on depth. So in that sense, I could see a trade down. The problem is that in a draft that's deep, some teams might not be willing to part with assets to move up.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have no issue with the tier approach but how do you put a player who, by his own description "Is Not A Premier Pass Rusher" and is a bit undersized? Bosa is a Strong Side DE IMO.

How do you put a DE in the top tier who has only had one double digit sack year (10.5 last season) and posted 1, 2.5 and 4 sacks in each of the previous seasons? A DE who is not fast, is not quick and does not post explosive numbers in agility drills. For a man his size, his numbers are good but not exceptional. Buckner is also a Strong Side DE and not a premier Pass Rusher.

Both of these players are good but neither, IMO, is top tier or elite. IDK....

 

[tyke1doe]

McShay's Tier Rankings for 2016 Draft

Interesting format. Bosa still considered the best player in the draft, "a dominant player on the field."

QB's and Ramsey in 2nd tier...surprised by Ramsey, but still 4th highest rating of all players.

Surprised because you thought Ramsey should be in Tier 1?

 

[bodi]

Ramsey is top tier. He allowed a completion rate of 38% and has elite athletic ability.
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maybe that's because in COLLEGE why throw the ball in his direction

In the pros he will be tested

lets wait until then an see how he does

 

[CIWhitefish]

I have no issue with the tier approach but how do you put a player who, by his own description "Is Not A Premier Pass Rusher" and is a bit undersized? Bosa is a Strong Side DE IMO.

How do you put a DE in the top tier who has only had one double digit sack year (10.5 last season) and posted 1, 2.5 and 4 sacks in each of the previous seasons? A DE who is not fast, is not quick and does not post explosive numbers in agility drills. For a man his size, his numbers are good but exceptional. Buckner is also a Strong Side DE and not a premier Pass Rusher.

Both of these players are good but neither, IMO, is top tier or elite. IDK....

Can't always tell by stats. Watt had 11.5 sacks in two years at Wisconsin and VERY similar 40 yd, 3 cone and SS times. Watt had 5.5 sacks his rookie year and then boom. Now he's a stud. No one knows what Bosa can become. If he's got one knock it's size/ strength, Watt was 290 or so when he was drafted instead of 260 something and benched 34 vs mid 20s. The no sacks argument was used by plenty of fans not wanting Poe a few years back too. Seems he's pretty good.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can't always tell by stats. Watt had 11.5 sacks in two years at Wisconsin and VERY similar 40 yd, 3 cone and SS times. Watt had 5.5 sacks his rookie year and then boom. Now he's a stud. No one knows what Bosa can become. If he's got one knock it's size/ strength, Watt was 290 or so when he was drafted instead of 260 something and benched 34 vs mid 20s. The no sacks argument was used by plenty of fans not wanting Poe a few years back too. Seems he's pretty good.

When I look at Bosa, I don't see Watt. Watt is a much more powerful player. He was something like 290 coming out and he had better strength, better explosion and similar agility numbers. You put that agility together with power and Watt is a different player. However, even with those numbers, Watt was not a top 10 pick.

 

[garyv]

ESPN Insider folks go ahead and post several of McShays Tiers if you know them.....

 

[Oh_Canada]

maybe that's because in COLLEGE why throw the ball in his direction

In the pros he will be tested

lets wait until then an see how he does

No they threw it and 38% were completed. It's a fact and a very good rate. Is he Deion no, a slight slight notch below Patrick Peterson perhaps, but definitely better than Trae Waynes.

 

[Hardline]

Buckner is listed as tier 1 and Elliott is not.

Credibility shot

 

[CIWhitefish]

When I look at Bosa, I don't see Watt. Watt is a much more powerful player. He was something like 290 coming out and he had better strength, better explosion and similar agility numbers. You put that agility together with power and Watt is a different player. However, even with those numbers, Watt was not a top 10 pick.

Like I said the knock you could have is Bosa's size. Is Watt bigger? Heck yeah and you could even say that he's quick for his size hence the impact he has. I wouldn't say he's more explosive then Bosa since their stats are about the same. I would say that Bosa should be faster considering he's 25 pounds or so lighter. Can Bosa add weight (or would anyone want him to) and keep the same speed? That would be interesting to see.

 

[Chuck 54]

I have no issue with the tier approach but how do you put a player who, by his own description "Is Not A Premier Pass Rusher" and is a bit undersized? Bosa is a Strong Side DE IMO.

How do you put a DE in the top tier who has only had one double digit sack year (10.5 last season) and posted 1, 2.5 and 4 sacks in each of the previous seasons? A DE who is not fast, is not quick and does not post explosive numbers in agility drills. For a man his size, his numbers are good but exceptional. Buckner is also a Strong Side DE and not a premier Pass Rusher.

Both of these players are good but neither, IMO, is top tier or elite. IDK....

And yet everyone claims Bosa is the past pass rusher and the most disruptive Dlineman in the draft? He's not small in any way...he lives in backfields. The negatives started rolling after the Combine when some said his game won't translate to being a top pass-rusher in the NFL because he doesn't turn the corner. Greg Hardy doesn't turn the corner; neither did Reggie White....not saying Bosa is either of those guys, but he's still elite, imo.

 

[Chuck 54]

Surprised because you thought Ramsey should be in Tier 1?

Yes

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Like I said the knock you could have is Bosa's size. Is Watt bigger? Heck yeah and you could even say that he's quick for his size hence the impact he has. I wouldn't say he's more explosive then Bosa since their stats are about the same. I would say that Bosa should be faster considering he's 25 pounds or so lighter. Can Bosa add weight (or would anyone want him to) and keep the same speed? That would be interesting to see.

His Vert and Broad, which measures explosion, were significantly better.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And yet everyone claims Bosa is the past pass rusher and the most disruptive Dlineman in the draft? He's not small in any way...he lives in backfields. The negatives started rolling after the Combine when some said his game won't translate to being a top pass-rusher in the NFL because he doesn't turn the corner. Greg Hardy doesn't turn the corner; neither did Reggie White....not saying Bosa is either of those guys, but he's still elite, imo.

Is he going to be Reggie? Reggie played DT and DE and the thing about Reggie White was that he was huge and quick. To me, there is no comparison there. Now, Greg Hardy might be a better comparison but even still, Hardy wasn't drafted till the 6th round because historically, that's what his size and those numbers dictated. Even still, Hardy was 280 coming out and he ran a 4.79.