Mel Kiper 1st Rnd Mock - I hate it!

[marchetta]

Kelly is the WR I've wanted since fall. But I'm going by the assumption that he won't be around by then so that is why I was looking at Sweed. Now, admittedly, I don't watch him weekly or anything so I could be way off on how good I thought he was.

If Kelly is still sitting there, and we got him, I'll do the happy dance.

I know I'm being juvenile, but this just reads so gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :laugh2:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

LOL. I guess it does.

 

[silverbear]

I would not be upset taking Trae Williams on day 1, Mike Jenkins teammate.

He's a little smaller than I like, but from what I've read about him, he could be very good in the NFL locking up on slot receivers... I think there is a niche out there for his services, with the Cowboys and any number of teams...

 

[silverbear]

I'm sorry, but what has Sweed done lately, except for get hurt, and rehurt?

He hurt his wrist back before the season started, tried to play through it, eventually (in his own words) the bone was close to protruding through the skin, and he had to shut it down for the last half of the season... then, about a week after the cast came off, he made a tactical mistake, he shouldn't have tried to play in the Senior Bowl...

But it's just a wrist injury, it will heal in plenty of time for him to be ready for some team's training camp...

And before that injury, he had started 39 consecutive games, so it's not like he's been injury prone or anything...

It really is funny, all these people go to trashing Sweed, but few of them ever raise any LEGITIMATE criticisms... they say he's slow, but in high school he finished 6th and then 4th in the state track meet's 100 meter hurdles his last two years... they say he's slow, but he averaged over 15 yards per catch in his college career, and over 30 yards per catch for his 20 career TD catches...

And then some of you point to his injury as if it's some problem that's gonna plague Sweed for the rest of his playing career, or as if it's an indication that he's injury prone, when he's actually been rather durable in his college career...

If you want to criticize a relative lack of production for such a highly rated receiver, I'll grant you that you have a bit of a point there, but even then I'll note that the Horns have had a LOT of other weapons at their disposal during Sweed's time in Austin-- Roy Williams at WR early on, Cedric Benson, Selvin Young and Jamaal Charles at RB, Bo Scaife and Jermichael Finley at TE, Vince Young and Colt McCoy at QB... that's a lot of NFL-caliber talent at the offensive skill positions, all of them needing their touches... this obviously limits the number of opportunities Sweed could have, and is hardly an indictment of his ability...

And for all the Sweed bashing that goes on on these boards here lately, the guy is still rated as a high draft pick, if he runs a decent time (under 4.5 seconds) at the combine or at his Pro Day workout, then he'll be a solid first rounder... so apparently those who make a living evaluating college talent don't go along with the message board consensus re: Limas Sweed...

I would definitely take Manningham over Sweed.

LOL... of the top 10 WRs on this draft board, Mario has easily the highest bust potential...

And Mendenhall would just be icing on the cake.

He's good, but he's too similar to Marion Barber to be a good match for the Boys... now, if the Boys were looking to REPLACE Barber, Rashard would be high on my draft list... but if they plan on keeping Marion around a while, then I'd be looking for a complementary type, either a true sledgehammer, 250 pounds up the gut runner, or a lightning quick waterbug who can get outside, who can catch the football for you... I don't really see any big thumpers that I like all that well, but there are a slew of really good speed backs available-- Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton...

 

[silverbear]

That is completely true and he admits it.

I often laugh at Mel's mocks, but I'll tell you what, that guy's one of us, I mean, he's a true draftaholic... a few years back, I was having a problem with my subscription to his draft book, and called the office in Baltimore to complain... I got ol' Mel his own self (and this was like two weeks before the draft), but rather than being in a hurry to get me off the phone, and on to what certainly had to be more important business, he talked to me for d*mn near a half an hour... I asked him about some of his sleepers, he expounded at length on them, then he turned around and asked ME who some of my favorite sleepers were, and why...

I think what I'm trying to say is that for such a successful man, he's a h*ll of a nice guy too, just making a living doing something that he truly loves... I don't subscribe to his book any more, it's an expense that's unnecessary now that I have the internet and all of its draft sources, but I still think a lot of both his work, and him personally...

 

[the kid 05]

Not crazy about that projection at all.

me either, why does everyone insist on the cowboys taking a rb in the first when their is plenty of depth to go into the 2nd-3rd round

 

[Hostile]

me either, why does everyone insist on the cowboys taking a rb in the first when their is plenty of depth to go into the 2nd-3rd round

Avoiding CB is what gets me. I admit, I do want a CB, RB, and WR in this draft, but CB is the only position I definitely want in round 1.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Kiper's First-Round Projection
Name Team Player Position

1 Miami Dolphins Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long, DE Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons** Matt Ryan, QB Boston College

4 Oakland Raiders** *Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas

5 Kansas City Chiefs** Jake Long, OT Michigan

6 New York Jets *Vernon Gholston, DE Ohio St.

7 New England Patriots (from SF) *Aqib Talib, CB Kansas

8 Baltimore Ravens Sedrick Ellis, DT USC

9 Cincinnati Bengals *Phillip Merling, DE Clemson

10 New Orleans Saints Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina

11 Buffalo Bills *Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma

12 Denver Broncos *Ryan Clady, OT Boise St.

13 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh

14 Chicago Bears Sam Baker, OT USC

15 Detroit Lions Leodis McKelvin, CB Troy

16 Arizona Cardinals *Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon

17 Minnesota Vikings *DeSean Jackson, WR California

18 Houston Texans Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida

19 Philadelphia Eagles Chris Williams, OT Vanderbilt

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers *Felix Jones, RB Arkansas

21 Washington Commanders *Calais Campbell, DE Miami

22 Dallas Cowboys (from CLE) *Mario Manningham, WR Michigan

23 Pittsburgh Steelers *Chilo Rachal, OG USC

24 Tennessee Titans Limas Sweed, WR Texas

25 Seattle Seahawks Fred Davis, TE USC

26 Jacksonville Jaguars *Derrick Harvey, DE Florida

27 San Diego Chargers *Reggie Smith, CB Oklahoma

28 Dallas Cowboys *Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois

29 San Francisco 49ers (from IND) *James Hardy, WR Indiana

30 Green Bay Packers Keith Rivers, LB USC

31 New York Giants Dan Connor, LB Penn St.

32 New England Patriots Forfeited pick



There is no way SD takes Reggie w/ Jammar and Cromartie in place. I think Dallas needs to take Reggie Smith at 22 if he is still on the board.

I would hope that if Kenny Phillips dropped as much as he did in this Mock that Dallas would take him.

If he is still there at 28 and the other projected 1st rd corners and Felix Jones are gone, Jerry would be stupid not to take him.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I like looking at Kipers player ranks but lets just say his insight into the machinations of NFL clubs is specious at best.

Exactly. How this guy still is the main draft "guru" is beyond me. He may be good at scouting, but he has absolutely no clue when it comes to NFL needs. I dont think he has correctly picked who we were going to draft...ever. I may be wrong but as far as I can remember, he has always been wrong when it comes to us. Now when it comes to the first 5 picks or so...then yeah he may be right most of the time...but those are the easy ones.

 

[fortdick]

If we take a rb at #28 it better be Chris Johnson or Felix Jones.

If Kiper's mock played out that way we should take Antoine Cason and Johnson.

This is the way I would like to see it go. Gives us kick returner as a bonus.

 

[Tyronosaurus77]

Ill tell you what if Mendenhall slips to us we better take him. I would prefer him or Stewart but I feel that both will be gone by 22. If we had the chance to draft Mendenhall we better take it. But I feel we should deffinately go CB at 22, so if we go RB at 28 there will still be quality guys there.

Although I feel Kiper's draft is a stretch in some areas, I mean Talib 7th overall ??? how could anyones mock draft be accurate at this stage of the processt though before the combine and such. there is no way to judge the underclassmen other than game tape. I do know about not going CB int he first round but Id be happy with those 2 players.

 

[skinsscalper]

Ill tell you what if Mendenhall slips to us we better take him. I would prefer him or Stewart but I feel that both will be gone by 22. If we had the chance to draft Mendenhall we better take it. But I feel we should deffinately go CB at 22, so if we go RB at 28 there will still be quality guys there.

Although I feel Kiper's draft is a stretch in some areas, I mean Talib 7th overall ??? how could anyones mock draft be accurate at this stage of the processt though before the combine and such. there is no way to judge the underclassmen other than game tape. I do know about not going CB int he first round but Id be happy with those 2 players.

That's the rub. No one's mock is going to be real accurate at this point. FA hasn't even started and the combine is still weeks away.

I will concur with silverbear, here, though. I met Kiper while on vacation in Las Vegas about5 7-8 years ago and the cat is as genuine as anyone you'll meet. Really cool guy that is just a football NUT! He's a lucky fan that fell into a really cool situation. Now, don't get me wrong, the guy busts his *** to dig up info and study film of these guys from day one of a new year until the last day of December. But, he'd be the first to tell you that he's lucky beyond imagination. He was given an opportunity to do something that he truly has a passion for and a venue to showcase his work. And, like it or not, Kiper was the first TRUE draft guru. Many have followed (hell, ANY of us could put up a site and try and predict the draft), but the first name (when it comes to the draft) in the pecking order is Kiper.

 

[Rack]

I wouldn't be crushed...but I'd be disappointed if we took them in the first, depending on what else was on the board at the time.

For example I don't like Manningham over Sweed at 22. If we take a WR there, and Sweed is there, I'd rather we took him.

Manningham isn't worth a 1st round pick IMO, but I'd take him LONG before I wated a draft pick on Limas Sweed.

Sweed couldn't carrry Manningham's jock. Sweed is the most over-rated WR in the draft as far as I'm concerned.


Blargh!! No thanks!

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I wouldn't be crushed...but I'd be disappointed if we took them in the first, depending on what else was on the board at the time.

For example I don't like Manningham over Sweed at 22. If we take a WR there, and Sweed is there, I'd rather we took him.

But he has Sweed going before we pick. Do you think he is worth trading up for over Manninham?

 

[Tyronosaurus77]

Maybe thats why Kiper is only really on during the draft time. He has his posts for the insider but ESPN has been putting a lot of McShay on to the the draft segments.

 

[Tyronosaurus77]

But he has Sweed going before we pick. Do you think he is worth trading up for over Manninham?

I like Manningham over Sweed. I think that were going CB at 22, and that Sweed should be gone by 28. I wouldnt mind taking ILB or WR at 28 and perhaps move up in teh second to land a RB.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No I'm not saying we should move up and give up anything for Sweed, or anything like that. I just meant if things could shake out a way I liked better I just happened to like what I'd seen of Sweed when I've seen him play.

But my opinion on it is biased in that I've seen Sweed play a handful of times and haven't really seen Manningham, other than in highlight reels on youtube and to me you really can't go by those.

I just liked Sweed when I'd seen him play and he's a big guy (6'5" about 225 and runs a 4.5 at that size) and has great adjustment to the ball (When I've seen him).

Of course if I had my absolute pick of any WR I'd love to see Dallas grab Malcom Kelly. But, really, I'm not a really picky person. If we got either Kelly, Manningham, Jackson, or Sweed I'll be happy.

 

[newlander]

Mixed emotions on that mock. I'm with nyc and others re. Manningham. I just don't see him going that high, nor should he. I saw him alot the last three years: just too inconsistent. I also saw Mendenhall play on TV 3 times this season. VERY big upsided on him. I like that pick quite a bit actually. He and Barber would be NICE together.