Melvin Gordon - pre-draft visit

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I would have to think that the Boys #1 priority this draft is now a rb. Red and team always wanted and have built the Boys over the past 4 years to be a running dominant team, last year is the 1st year that we were able to take it to teams physically...Thus 12-4 or 13-5. I do not believe that any of that has been lost on this ownership or coaching staff. RB in my estimation has to be at the top of their list, I just cannot see any way that they would be thinking differently.
 

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Im guessing by the combine interviews they bring in most of the top HBs for a visit
 

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Michael Bennett?

Or are we going a little too far back?

He had speed but after a strong 2002 only ended up with around 3700 yrd in 10years. Monte Ball has had flashes. Anthony Davis..no. Ron Dayne..couple of good games..but no. James White....I mean there are a ton of articles about it and Gordon I'm sure wants to change it

http://badgerofhonor.com/2015/02/20/melvin-gordon-mishandling-wisconsin-running-backs-nfl/

Why does this continue to happen? Why do most NFL teams still believe that drafting a key Wisconsin back and changing him is the best fit for the back and for the team? Montee Ball was a second round pick by the Broncos. The NCAA’s career touchdown leader (plus a season-high tie with Barry Sanders) was immediately put behind Knowshon Moreno and had to fight for time with Ronnie Hillman and later C.J. Anderson.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/st...don-aims-change-wisconsin-badgers-rbs-nfl-rep

"Me, Montee and James, we're in a group together and we all said, 'We've got to step up and change that,'" Gordon said. "We all had the opportunity to play in the NFL, and we're still young, all three of us. So we can change that perception they have about us. If we go out there and ball and do what we need to do, they won't be saying that anymore, I can tell you that."
 

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Think Gordon's range is from sneaking into the end of round one to round two. I don't see him as a lock in round one predicting teams go different direction
 

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I'm afraid so. After today's visit, they look to be in the running for sure.

If the Cowboys are able to at least snag Gordon, I would not be dissappointed. The talk about his OL being responsible for his success sounds very much like the same conversation people have been having about Murray, so it sounds like to me Gordon would still be a good fit.
 

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If the Cowboys are able to at least snag Gordon, I would not be dissappointed. The talk about his OL being responsible for his success sounds very much like the same conversation people have been having about Murray, so it sounds like to me Gordon would still be a good fit.

I like Gordon. I really do. I think he, along with a power back, would give Dallas a nightmare rushing attack for opponents. Just watch Gordon run and pay attention to his natural run instincts. He finds daylight.
 

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I like Gordon. I really do. I think he, along with a power back, would give Dallas a nightmare rushing attack for opponents. Just watch Gordon run and pay attention to his natural run instincts. He finds daylight.

Which is something DeMarco Murray failed to do on a consistent basis. Gordon has good explosion, excellent balance, and incredible vision. He may not have the explosion that Gurley displayed when he was healthy, but Gordon seems to have more then enough to be successful. Furthermore, there is no telling rather or not Gurley will ever play as fast as he did before the injury. ACL's can be tricky in that regard.
 

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Which is something DeMarco Murray failed to do on a consistent basis. Gordon has good explosion, excellent balance, and incredible vision. He may not have the explosion that Gurley displayed when he was healthy, but Gordon seems to have more then enough to be successful. Furthermore, there is no telling rather or not Gurley will ever play as fast as he did before the injury. ACL's can be tricky in that regard.

Yes, I think that I've been wanting a back with good run instincts and vision so bad because Murray would just blindly run into a pack of defenders instead of taking the cutback that was wide open. That might be overstating it but Murray did not have great vision. Gordon might not have a killer 40 time but he has game-speed, is quick as lighting and has terrific vision. The guy just finds the opening and shoots through.

I think he'd be dangerous as hell in this offense.
 

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Yes, I think that I've been wanting a back with good run instincts and vision so bad because Murray would just blindly run into a pack of defenders instead of taking the cutback that was wide open. That might be overstating it but Murray did not have great vision. Gordon might not have a killer 40 time but he has game-speed, is quick as lighting and has terrific vision. The guy just finds the opening and shoots through.

I think he'd be dangerous as hell in this offense.

Honestly, what bothered me more than watching Murray run into a pack of defenders, which to an extent served a positive purpose in wearing down opposing defenses, was watching him run into the back of his own offensive lineman. That was infuriating. At times it looked as though he was running with a blindfold on. And so I'm clear, I appreciate what he was able to accomplish for the Cowboy's in 2014, but I was never a huge fan of his running style.
 

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Honestly, what bothered me more than watching Murray run into a pack of defenders, which to an extent served a positive purpose in wearing down opposing defenses, was watching him run into the back of his own offensive lineman. That was infuriating. At times it looked as though he was running with a blindfold on. And so I'm clear, I appreciate what he was able to accomplish for the Cowboy's in 2014, but I was never a huge fan of his running style.

Nope, I didn't like him as a runner a ton either. It was a big reason I was OK with him leaving and think a replacement could create more opportunities if he gets the same blocking (which he should). I loved Murray's toughness and his attitude but he just wasn't a great natural runner.
 

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Nope, I didn't like him as a runner a ton either. It was a big reason I was OK with him leaving and think a replacement could create more opportunities if he gets the same blocking (which he should). I loved Murray's toughness and his attitude but he just wasn't a great natural runner.

The question that looms is rather or not Gordon or Gurley will be available at 27 and rather or not the Cowboys will take a RB that high with dire needs on defense.
 

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I am so psyched about the possibility of drafting Gordon. I really think he is a Ricky Williams type of talent that will take his dominance right from the college game to the pro. Most people who post on this board know everything about the guy on the field. Great vision and acceleration. Wicked stiff arm and with his patience he is perfect for our Oline. I noticed Travis Frederick was at Gordon's Pro Day.
The only thing left to add is that Melvin is extremely hard working and just the kind of character we are looking to add to our roster.

I heard a story once about scouts showing up to watch Montee Ball but Gordon stole the show at practice.

All of this said I think a lot of teams will be considering him before we pick. Im starting to doubt he falls to us. Thankfully this draft is deep at RB. We will land a good one at some point.
 

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The question that looms is rather or not Gordon or Gurley will be available at 27 and rather or not the Cowboys will take a RB that high with dire needs on defense.

That's the way I see it too. I think with all things being equal the team would rather go defense at 27. However, the team is focused so much on getting the best player regardless of position that if the defense is already picked over (DE/DT/CB) or there aren't players they really like (LB/S) then I think they'll go offense (RB/OL) at their pick barring a trade back or up.

The closer we get to the draft, the more sure I become that Gurley won't be there at 27. Somebody will take him sooner that that. Gordon very well could be there but the only way I see Dallas taking him in the first is if they really, really like him a lot. If they consider him to be only marginally better than say, Jay Ajayi, they'll pick another position at 27 and go RB in the second or third round.

I could be wrong, of course... but that's what I think right now.
 

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That's the way I see it too. I think with all things being equal the team would rather go defense at 27. However, the team is focused so much on getting the best player regardless of position that if the defense is already picked over (DE/DT/CB) or there aren't players they really like (LB/S) then I think they'll go offense (RB/OL) at their pick barring a trade back or up.

The closer we get to the draft, the more sure I become that Gurley won't be there at 27. Somebody will take him sooner that that. Gordon very well could be there but the only way I see Dallas taking him in the first is if they really, really like him a lot. If they consider him to be only marginally better than say, Jay Ajayi, they'll pick another position at 27 and go RB in the second or third round.

I could be wrong, of course... but that's what I think right now.

It's hard to argue against...the Cowboys found Murray in the second, they may attempt to roll that dice again. But, having acknowledged that, and with the aid of a little wishful thinking, I also can see a scenario where the Cowboys brass, coaches and scouts alike could all agree that the Cowboys running game, above and beyond any other contributing component to the Cowboys attack, is what put the Cowboys in the playoffs last year. Granted, there were Dez/Romo heroics that became big moments in close games, but ultimately Murray and the Oline is what put the Cowboys in position to make those big plays. Moving forward, the Cowboys organization could possibly collectively agree that Murray has visions issues and is not particularly spectacular at any one thing, save maybe blitz pick-up, as a RB in terms of overall speed, vision, agility/elusiveness, lateral quickness and other attributes that RB's are measured by in the NFL. Finally, the question may arise, if not already, what could a RB that may be an upgrade in all the aforementioned qualities, save, once again, blitz-pickup, do behind arguably the best offensive line in the league?

At this point, with what little us couch-scouts know, Gordon or Gurley look to be strong candidates to answer that question.
 

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I have an aversion to Wisconsin backs...slow and plodding but its just a visit
Rand Getlin ‏@Rand_Getlin 19m19 minutes ago
One potential replacement the #Cowboys are considering for DeMarco Murray? RB Melvin Gordon. Has a pre-draft visit to Dallas on the books.

Lions had him in for a visit. With Bush gone, he's probably snatched up by them. Even thought hey lost 50% of their DT's in free agency.
 

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Lions had him in for a visit. With Bush gone, he's probably snatched up by them. Even thought hey lost 50% of their DT's in free agency.

Could be. They seem to play RB roulette yearly or a guy gets injured. J. Bell was good for them but he seems banged up a lot.
 

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It's hard to argue against...the Cowboys found Murray in the second, they may attempt to roll that dice again. But, having acknowledged that, and with the aid of a little wishful thinking, I also can see a scenario where the Cowboys brass, coaches and scouts alike could all agree that the Cowboys running game, above and beyond any other contributing component to the Cowboys attack, is what put the Cowboys in the playoffs last year. Granted, there were Dez/Romo heroics that became big moments in close games, but ultimately Murray and the Oline is what put the Cowboys in position to make those big plays. Moving forward, the Cowboys organization could possibly collectively agree that Murray has visions issues and is not particularly spectacular at any one thing, save maybe blitz pick-up, as a RB in terms of overall speed, vision, agility/elusiveness, lateral quickness and other attributes that RB's are measured by in the NFL. Finally, the question may arise, if not already, what could a RB that may be an upgrade in all the aforementioned qualities, save, once again, blitz-pickup, do behind arguably the best offensive line in the league?

At this point, with what little us couch-scouts know, Gordon or Gurley look to be strong candidates to answer that question.

Murray was in the 3rd, Im not sure any of the top 5 backs last to our 3rd. Im thinking 2nd rnd is as far as we can go in hoping to get one of the top backs.
 

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Murray was in the 3rd, Im not sure any of the top 5 backs last to our 3rd. Im thinking 2nd rnd is as far as we can go in hoping to get one of the top backs.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

I absolutely do not think Gurley or Gordon will fall that far, but Coleman and/or Ajayi might.
 
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