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There Is Truth in Tommy West's Rant
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
Posted By Chris Littmann 11:22 AM

In my daily travels through the web, I came across this headline from The Wiz: "Tommy West Is a Bitter Man." I watched the video, which is the one you see above -- Tommy West's exit presser after being bounced by Memphis -- and while some of his remarks at the end certainly came off as bitter, it would be a mistake to dismiss the bulk of what he said.

The first two-and-a-half minutes ring true. It's a harsh reality that people don't really like to talk about in college football: If you aren't trying to play with the big boys, there really isn't much of a point in trying to play at all. It might not be as glamorous to play in a small league, but there are only so many teams in the nation really built to compete, both from a talent and support system perspective.

It might be boring to be a low-level FBS school, but the only thing worse is being a faux-competitor in the FBS, trying to play with the big boys but knowing you never really can. Unless you're the beneficiary of a fat TV deal through your league (SEC) or just yourself (Notre Dame) there's a good chance you're bleed your athletic department's budget dry unless your team is one of the true college football bluebloods.

This is probably just as big of a problem for non-traditional powers that are winning, too. And it can't be a commitment to just maximizing what you've got; it has to be a full-blown escalation of everything about your program. Look at Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati this season. All three are unbeaten, but it's pretty safe to say at this point that none of them will have a chance to play in a title game. Chris Petersen, Gary Patterson and Brian Kelly -- if they finish unbeaten -- will have done everything they can at their respective schools. If, say, Notre Dame comes calling, what could any school say to their coach to keep them? How do you compete with any big, established name-brand? And when you lose that coach and try to find the next up-and-comer, a decision has to be made: Are you happy being fodder for big schools or do you want to play with the big schools?

So yes, it'd be easy to pass off West's remarks as those of a bitter man who just lost his job, but there should be a bit of a "look-in-the-mirror" moment for programs around the country trying to determine whether they want to get into this arms race. If you don't want to, just get out now. Otherwise you're just burning money.
 

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joseephuss;3070945 said:
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/th...view/42625/there_is_truth_in_tommy_wests_rant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLk06dQlyAE&feature=player_embedded

There Is Truth in Tommy West's Rant
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
Posted By Chris Littmann 11:22 AM

In my daily travels through the web, I came across this headline from The Wiz: "Tommy West Is a Bitter Man." I watched the video, which is the one you see above -- Tommy West's exit presser after being bounced by Memphis -- and while some of his remarks at the end certainly came off as bitter, it would be a mistake to dismiss the bulk of what he said.

The first two-and-a-half minutes ring true. It's a harsh reality that people don't really like to talk about in college football: If you aren't trying to play with the big boys, there really isn't much of a point in trying to play at all. It might not be as glamorous to play in a small league, but there are only so many teams in the nation really built to compete, both from a talent and support system perspective.

It might be boring to be a low-level FBS school, but the only thing worse is being a faux-competitor in the FBS, trying to play with the big boys but knowing you never really can. Unless you're the beneficiary of a fat TV deal through your league (SEC) or just yourself (Notre Dame) there's a good chance you're bleed your athletic department's budget dry unless your team is one of the true college football bluebloods.

This is probably just as big of a problem for non-traditional powers that are winning, too. And it can't be a commitment to just maximizing what you've got; it has to be a full-blown escalation of everything about your program. Look at Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati this season. All three are unbeaten, but it's pretty safe to say at this point that none of them will have a chance to play in a title game. Chris Petersen, Gary Patterson and Brian Kelly -- if they finish unbeaten -- will have done everything they can at their respective schools. If, say, Notre Dame comes calling, what could any school say to their coach to keep them? How do you compete with any big, established name-brand? And when you lose that coach and try to find the next up-and-comer, a decision has to be made: Are you happy being fodder for big schools or do you want to play with the big schools?

So yes, it'd be easy to pass off West's remarks as those of a bitter man who just lost his job, but there should be a bit of a "look-in-the-mirror" moment for programs around the country trying to determine whether they want to get into this arms race. If you don't want to, just get out now. Otherwise you're just burning money.

I agree with a lot of what he said. Big changes need to be made. A lot of money was spent over the last few years to bring the basketball program back to it's former glory while not spending anything on football.

On the other hand Tommy just isn't that great of a coach. The only success he had was when DeAngelo Williams played for him and even then we only managed a few low level bowl games.

Big changes need to be made period.
 

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There's a similar concern for Houston as it pertains to Kevin Sumlin.

He came from a big program. He's proven to be a good coach, so there's concern that he may leave after his contract for a bigger program.

Coogs are doing everything they can to put them close to the same level of at least some of the bigger Texas programs.

New AD, big time alumni push, and new or totally renovated athletic facilities.

That's about the only thing you can do to build a better program.

Even then it'll be hard to get in the big time.
 

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WoodysGirl;3071475 said:
There's a similar concern for Houston as it pertains to Kevin Sumlin.

He came from a big program. He's proven to be a good coach, so there's concern that he may leave after his contract for a bigger program.

Coogs are doing everything they can to put them close to the same level of at least some of the bigger Texas programs.

New AD, big time alumni push, and new or totally renovated athletic facilities.

That's about the only thing you can do to build a better program.

Even then it'll be hard to get in the big time.

Our AD needs to be fired also but it won't help until we get a better stadium. I'd prefer a smaller (20 to 30k) on campus stadium but there is to much politics involved.

If we had built one when the NFL added Carolina and Jacksonville we would have had one of those teams. :banghead:
 

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Yeagermeister;3071501 said:
Our AD needs to be fired also but it won't help until we get a better stadium. I'd prefer a smaller (20 to 30k) on campus stadium but there is to much politics involved.

If we had built one when the NFL added Carolina and Jacksonville we would have had one of those teams. :banghead:

Memphis should have had the Oilers/Titans. I remember an article with the headline "Our Dream, Their Team" about Nashville getting the Oilers when Memphis had wanted a team for a long time.
 

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joseephuss;3071549 said:
Memphis should have had the Oilers/Titans. I remember an article with the headline "Our Dream, Their Team" about Nashville getting the Oilers when Memphis had wanted a team for a long time.

We were never going to get the Oilers. Bud Adams already had his deal in place. We learned our lesson when the Grizzlies came calling though. We built a palace for them. Too bad the team sucks.
 

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In the Case of Memphis State, I can see it. That University sank money into the Basketball program like no tomorrow, only to watch the whole thing walk away, along with it's entire recruiting class, to Kentucky. The Football program has comperatively little to work with and the coach sees the disparity. It's unfortunate but it's politics. I feel bad for the guy but it is what it is.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;3072061 said:
In the Case of Memphis State, I can see it. That University sank money into the Basketball program like no tomorrow, only to watch the whole thing walk away, along with it's entire recruiting class, to Kentucky. The Football program has comperatively little to work with and the coach sees the disparity. It's unfortunate but it's politics. I feel bad for the guy but it is what it is.

It didn't help the two coaches didn't get along. West thought more money should come his way and that other coach thought all of it should go to him. We see who won that battle.
 

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WoodysGirl;3071475 said:
There's a similar concern for Houston as it pertains to Kevin Sumlin.

He came from a big program. He's proven to be a good coach, so there's concern that he may leave after his contract for a bigger program.

Coogs are doing everything they can to put them close to the same level of at least some of the bigger Texas programs.

New AD, big time alumni push, and new or totally renovated athletic facilities.

That's about the only thing you can do to build a better program.

Even then it'll be hard to get in the big time.

Don't worry, UCF is about to do them a favor, by putting a whoopin on em. Then Sumlin will look a little less appealing come the offseason!

You are welcome UH fans! ;)
 

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Yeagermeister;3072541 said:
It didn't help the two coaches didn't get along. West thought more money should come his way and that other coach thought all of it should go to him. We see who won that battle.

Unfortunately, I think the ultimate loser was the Memphis State fans Yeags. Sucks all the way around for those folks.
 
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