Method to the madness?

Flamma said:
I know that. But Jerry is the final word. No one is telling him when to pay a player. For whatever reason, Jerry has chosen to drag this out. Remember last year? I think Dak got an extension on game day of week 1. Or close to it.
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Look I've commented on this before, this is my belief, and it makes sense,

Last offseason looked bad there was a lack of activity before the draft the draft was strange,

but I believe Jerry knowing Mike Mccarthy was on his last deal as was a one year for Mike Mccarthy pretty much the whole coaching staff with a whole bunch of big-name players up for contracts, if there was going to be a window for him to just blow it all up and start over this would be it...

I believe he was torn and struggling in his own mind to make a decision ,and that's why it took so long, I think he was going to just trade guys like Lamb ,Parsons, diggs, and just blow the team up trade away everything you can but he backtracked, and then he signed Lamb and then he had to sign Prescott...

That's my belief and it makes sense And in the end he got scared And now once you went down that road with Lamb and Dak, Parsons has to be signed,(AND WILL).

Jerry's feeling like there's a small window whether it's two years and now you have to bring back your stars, you opened up the can of worms ,you had one opportunity just to say no...

I mean, he could have got a lot of draft value for a guy like Lamb , Parsons, and even someone like Tyler Smith ,and then allow Prescott to just simply walk along with cutting diggs, and then get whatever you can from anyone else and start it over.

But he went this route had a better offseason a better draft and it seems like in a better place got some guys signed brought back some guys like Fowler I mean there's a plan this year whether it's a good one or a bad one and like I said Parsons will get signed...

That's my opinion but common sense says there was something wrong last offseason and I believe he was in a position where he was fighting his own instincts and he was thinking about starting over it had been the perfect time...
 
Stash said:
First off, I’d like to state that this thread is not an attempt to defend the way the Cowboys handle their big contracts. I do not agree with how the Joneses have done business lately.

But in looking at the Parsons deal and potential deals for Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, and possibly George Pickens it got me wondering.

Micah Parsons is undeniably a great player and a top pass rusher, but he also plays at arguably the Cowboys most well-stocked position.

Could - the key word here - could the Cowboys live without him in the future?

If EZE is what early reviews suggest. If Sam Williams shows he’s back and a force to be reckoned with.

Could the Cowboys live without Parsons?

Would the team be better off with draft picks and cap space to retain the other players mentioned above?

I don’t think there’s any cap magic that would allow you to pay Parsons $41 million a year-plus and still afford Smith, Bland, and Pickens.

But if you were to tag and/or trade Parsons next year? It might then be manageable.

My thinking is that Diggs is in his last season in Dallas anyway, and his numbers could be replaced with a new deal for Bland.

So I’m wondering, are the Cowboys playing this one out and keeping their options open? Or is this just yet another example of the Joneses poor management?
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A few things…..

If you need to let Pickens and Bland go to get Micah you do it.

If the plan is for Micah to go they needed to trade him yesterday. ASAP. The last thing they should do is hold on to him so he can walk.

But I suspect the Cowboys are gonna sign him. How I don’t know.
 
blueblood70 said:
Look I've commented on this before, this is my belief, and it makes sense,

Last offseason looked bad there was a lack of activity before the draft the draft was strange,

but I believe Jerry knowing Mike Mccarthy was on his last deal as was a one year for Mike Mccarthy pretty much the whole coaching staff with a whole bunch of big-name players up for contracts, if there was going to be a window for him to just blow it all up and start over this would be it...

I believe he was torn and struggling in his own mind to make a decision ,and that's why it took so long, I think he was going to just trade guys like Lamb ,Parsons, diggs, and just blow the team up trade away everything you can but he backtracked, and then he signed Lamb and then he had to sign Prescott...

That's my belief and it makes sense And in the end he got scared And now once you went down that road with Lamb and Dak, Parsons has to be signed,(AND WILL).

Jerry's feeling like there's a small window whether it's two years and now you have to bring back your stars, you opened up the can of worms ,you had one opportunity just to say no...

I mean, he could have got a lot of draft value for a guy like Lamb , Parsons, and even someone like Tyler Smith ,and then allow Prescott to just simply walk along with cutting diggs, and then get whatever you can from anyone else and start it over.

But he went this route had a better offseason a better draft and it seems like in a better place got some guys signed brought back some guys like Fowler I mean there's a plan this year whether it's a good one or a bad one and like I said Parsons will get signed...

That's my opinion but common sense says there was something wrong last offseason and I believe he was in a position where he was fighting his own instincts and he was thinking about starting over it had been the perfect time...
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Of course we can't totally know for sure, but I think you're pretty close to the truth. Mainly because of the way we lost to Green Bay. Think about it. He had to ask himself, what am I paying these guys for? It had to be really hard for him to be thinking about extensions after a loss like that.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
I need more than that. Two late round picks aren’t worth it unless it’s the Raiders or Titans or someone who sucks.
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I'm not suggesting we trade him to the Chiefs. But I think Caolina, Jets, or like you said, Titans. Trading him to a contender would be stupid.
 
Flamma said:
I agree with you. I don't see a situation where he plays out his 5th year. Dallas either pays him or trades him. But that's not what we were talking about.

Someone asked why we would use a 2nd round pick on a position of strength.
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He’ll play this season. If he were to get hurt, which would be devastating, his trade value would be further diminished. He’d be a free agent in March. Something he wouldn’t be if he holds out. A healing Micah Parsons at age 27 will still draw big compensation. He’ll take the risk.

A healing Parsons at age 27 that’s going to cost his next team a lot of money won’t get the Cowboys a couple of third rounders in trade, at best. Jerry is taking a risk not signing him. It works both ways. It should have never gotten to this point. A lesson you’d think Jerry would have learned on the Prescott deal.
 
KingCorcoran said:
He’ll play this season. If he were to get hurt, which would be devastating, his trade value would be further diminished. He’d be a free agent in March. Something he wouldn’t be if he holds out. A healing Micah Parsons at age 27 will still draw big compensation. He’ll take the risk.

A healing Parsons at age 27 that’s going to cost his next team a lot of money won’t get the Cowboys a couple of third rounders in trade, at best. Jerry is taking a risk not signing him. It works both ways. It should have never gotten to this point. A lesson you’d think Jerry would have learned on the Prescott deal.
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I'll give you a reason Parsons plays this season. If he gets an extension. Otherwise he's holding out. He can do that because he knows Jerry won't let him sit out the season. Zero chance Jerry would do that.
 
blueblood70 said:
What exactly are you suggesting ,You think he's gonna play under his 5th year option? Or are you saying the sign in use them for a year and then trade him, That doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense either...

You can't trade a guy and then as soon as his first year of new money starts try to trade him you know how much dead cap there is?

So, the fly in ointment here is I don't think he's going to play under this $24 million I think he holds out all the way till he can't like Week 10...

Have you also thought that other teams would give top draft picks for a guy who's demanding to be the highest paid skill player in the league at around 41 to $42 million you think they're gonna give up big draft picks?

Give me a recent example of a team that traded for a guy on Parsons level that was due a giant contract and then tell me what the compensation was....

I mean in recent years which would be 5 plus years ago when players were taking top five money at their position they were willing to take what the franchise tag said they were worth in that general area you know top five money now they're demanding to be the highest paid new market money skill player in the league//

That changes a lot I know Khalil Mack got a couple of really high draft picks for him he he was in a similar position but not exactly the same he wasn't demanding this type of money he got paid really good money but he didn't get paid new market setting record money..

So show me all these suitors that we're going to have that are going to step in line and give us what a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd because that's probably what he's worth or 2 firsts..

I think you need to dive into this deeper before you think that heat one he's going to play under his current deal and two how tradable is he is it even worth moving him if we can't maximize the draft picks..
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The Chicago Bears reached a record-setting six-year, $141 million extension with Khalil Mack on Saturday, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Mack is now the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...h-agreement-trade-khalil-mack-oakland-raiders
 
Rockport said:
To be honest, I’m mystified with how Jerry’s handling Parson’s contract extension. I don’t know what he’s really thinking as far as paying Micah or trading him. IMO now is not the time to trade him. It would shock the players and coaches on the team as they’ve been building and preparing well for the upcoming season. It would be even worse if they let him play out his contract and then franchise tag him for the 2026 season. The culture that the coaches are trying to instill would be destroyed immediately. Why would any player want to give it his all for an organization that treated a player such as Micah like that.

Whatever Jerry is thinking, he’s created a huge distraction for no reason. Just get out of the way Jerry, run the business and let football people run the football operations. Please Santa, make it come true.
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I don’t think it makes sense to trade him until next year. Maybe a tag-and-trade type of deal.

The Seahawks traded DE Frank Clark and a 2019 third-round pick to Kansas City in return for a 2019 first-round draft pick, a 2019 third-round draft pick and a 2020 second-round draft pick.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/stor...-for-franchise-players-and-teams/79826236007/
 
kskboys said:
To add, I was confused as to why we'd use a 2nd on a position of strength. Only thing that makes sense is that he's Parsons' replacement.
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Notice they also added major talent to OLine (G) and WR. Also, take note that all three positions have ALL-PRO starters. I'm pretty sure their thinking is pairing the ALL-PRO with top talent that makes teams pay for trying to shut them down.
 
Flamma said:
I'm not suggesting we trade him to the Chiefs. But I think Caolina, Jets, or like you said, Titans. Trading him to a contender would be stupid.
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Oh I agree. But at the same time…it’s stupid for a bad team to trade for him no? Like Jets I think they end up good with him like at least 9-8 and that’s only because I don’t know who’s playing quarterback. Carolina and Titans would stink with him I’d assume.
 
StarOfGlory said:
That didn't work out well for the Giants. I'd hate to see Parsons become the next Barkley in that regard.
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I can't blame the Giants for not keeping Barkley. They weren't winning anything with him. They almost destroyed his career. Why pay for a player that isn't helping you? I thought the same when Khalil Mack got traded. Why pay a monster contract at the start of a rebuild?

We're not supposed to be a crap team. I don't think we are. Or there would be no reason to pay Parsons.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Oh I agree. But at the same time…it’s stupid for a bad team to trade for him no? Like Jets I think they end up good with him like at least 9-8 and that’s only because I don’t know who’s playing quarterback. Carolina and Titans would stink with him I’d assume.
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Yeah, I can't argue that. It would most likely be a team not expected to be a contender, but close to it. Like maybe Chicago. Maybe Denver. Some team like that.
 
Flamma said:
I think we could get two 1st rounders for Parsons. Didn't Laremy Tunsil get traded for two first rounders? Teams will pay it.
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No. Houston traded Tunsil and a 2025 4th round pick to Washington for a 2025 3rd, a 2025 7th, a 2026 2nd, and a 2026 4th. And Tunsil was (is) healthy. 1st’s are hard to come by in the contemporary NFL unless you’re giving up a premium 1st in the deal. (See Jacksonville/Cleveland and NYG/LAR)
 
Think of how different the roster could have been if Dallas had simply let Dak walk, and traded Parsons. The combination of picks and cap space (over $100M) would have been transformative. We've seen how quickly other teams have rebuilt and become contenders. Look no farther than the Eagles.

Yes- it's a risk, but a risk worth taking. If it doesn't work out, you just try it again after a couple of seasons. At least there's a chance, unlike Dallas's current permanent residence in mediocrity.

Prescott should have already been traded regardless of the (separate) QB issue. Dallas won't trade him though, but time will prove it would have been the right call.
 
Flamma said:
I'm not suggesting we trade him to the Chiefs. But I think Caolina, Jets, or like you said, Titans. Trading him to a contender would be stupid.
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A bad team needs its draft capital more than it needs Micah Parsons. A good team might be willing to part with some decent picks and/or personnel for Parsons, but how much better would Dallas be?

It’s time to come to terms with the Cowboys are not a good team. They are not going to be better anytime soon without Micah Parsons. The team’s issue isn’t premium edge rushers and rookie linemen. The problem is Jerry Jones and he can’t be traded.
 
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