Method to the madness?

[blueblood70]

First off, I’d like to state that this thread is not an attempt to defend the way the Cowboys handle their big contracts. I do not agree with how the Joneses have done business lately.

But in looking at the Parsons deal and potential deals for Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, and possibly George Pickens it got me wondering.

Micah Parsons is undeniably a great player and a top pass rusher, but he also plays at arguably the Cowboys most well-stocked position.

Could - the key word here - could the Cowboys live without him in the future?

If EZE is what early reviews suggest. If Sam Williams shows he’s back and a force to be reckoned with.

Could the Cowboys live without Parsons?

Would the team be better off with draft picks and cap space to retain the other players mentioned above?

I don’t think there’s any cap magic that would allow you to pay Parsons $41 million a year-plus and still afford Smith, Bland, and Pickens.

But if you were to tag and/or trade Parsons next year? It might then be manageable.

My thinking is that Diggs is in his last season in Dallas anyway, and his numbers could be replaced with a new deal for Bland.

So I’m wondering, are the Cowboys playing this one out and keeping their options open? Or is this just yet another example of the Joneses poor management?

What exactly are you suggesting ,You think he's gonna play under his 5th year option? Or are you saying the sign in use them for a year and then trade him, That doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense either...

You can't trade a guy and then as soon as his first year of new money starts try to trade him you know how much dead cap there is?

So, the fly in ointment here is I don't think he's going to play under this $24 million I think he holds out all the way till he can't like Week 10...

Have you also thought that other teams would give top draft picks for a guy who's demanding to be the highest paid skill player in the league at around 41 to $42 million you think they're gonna give up big draft picks?

Give me a recent example of a team that traded for a guy on Parsons level that was due a giant contract and then tell me what the compensation was....

I mean in recent years which would be 5 plus years ago when players were taking top five money at their position they were willing to take what the franchise tag said they were worth in that general area you know top five money now they're demanding to be the highest paid new market money skill player in the league//

That changes a lot I know Khalil Mack got a couple of really high draft picks for him he he was in a similar position but not exactly the same he wasn't demanding this type of money he got paid really good money but he didn't get paid new market setting record money..

So show me all these suitors that we're going to have that are going to step in line and give us what a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd because that's probably what he's worth or 2 firsts..

I think you need to dive into this deeper before you think that heat one he's going to play under his current deal and two how tradable is he is it even worth moving him if we can't maximize the draft picks..

 

[blueblood70]

If you planned to not sign Micah then you should have traded him before the draft. That’s a huge part of the problem. There’s no overal plan to maintain the roster.

I think that ship sailed as soon as they sign CD Lamb last year they knew the rest of the stars had to be signed it was either all or nothing in my opinion and once those two deals went down now parsons is probably a must sign..

They literally are saying our veteran window we want to take advantage of maybe the two years we have Prescott and Lamb will still be in his prime and we have Pickens this year they're not going to get rid of Parsons...

The bigger problem here is the assumption is he'll play on his 5th year option and I say he's not going to the odds say that he'll hold out a true holdout all the way to week 10 or whenever he has to report he will take this as far as he can take it so therefore any buddy who thinks that's on the table and you know the franchise him or trade him next offseason before the draft I just don't think that's gonna happen...

Lastly I mean who is willing to trade you what he's worth as far as draft capital and turn around and hand him a new market setting record setting contract for a skilled player?

I mean you can't take less than he's worth just to get rid of him he's too good a player you rather keep him than give him up for too little....

What do you think a team would be willing to give for him with the knowledge that they're gonna have to pay him immediately the deal will probably have to be done before the trade is done...

 

[kskboys]

They're going to pay Parsons before we find out how good EZ is. EZ can be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor. It's too late if they already paid Parsons.

Of course. However, w/ Jerry dragging the Parsons crapp out, he's either thinking of moving on or he's truly a complete imbecile.

 

[Reid1boys]

No method to anything. This team is a joke and has been for 30 years. IM not even the slightest bit excited. I might only watch games if the dancers wear a little less clothing.

 

[kskboys]

Then they should have traded him already. After this season to trade him they have to franchise tag him. That means the Cowboys are unwilling to sign him for what he wants or he’s unwilling to sign an extension with the Cowboys. Either way it reduces his trade value. In addition, the tag amount will be the greater of $28 million or average of the top five compensation at his position. The downside is all of the amount goes against the salary cap for next season. No way to mitigate it.

There will be interest from other teams. That’s for sure. But only a few will be simultaneously willing to give up significant draft capital and be able to sign him to a $40+ million deal. All 31 teams will understand the Cowboys have painted themselves into a corner with Parsons’ contract situation. That reduces his trade value. This is where being proactive would have served the Cowboys. The opportunity to get max value for Parsons has passed.

Agree. So stupid to not get some valuable resources if you're not going to keep a player, but that has been Jerry's MO for a long time. Offered a 2nd for Mike Jenkins after we'd drafted MO and paid Carr. Offered a 2nd for MartyB after we proved we weren't going to use him. And get this, was offered a prime Antonio Cromartie for backup Tashard Choice!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

What exactly are you suggesting ,You think he's gonna play under his 5th year option? Or are you saying the sign in use them for a year and then trade him, That doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense either...

You can't trade a guy and then as soon as his first year of new money starts try to trade him you know how much dead cap there is?

So, the fly in ointment here is I don't think he's going to play under this $24 million I think he holds out all the way till he can't like Week 10...

Have you also thought that other teams would give top draft picks for a guy who's demanding to be the highest paid skill player in the league at around 41 to $42 million you think they're gonna give up big draft picks?

Give me a recent example of a team that traded for a guy on Parsons level that was due a giant contract and then tell me what the compensation was....

I mean in recent years which would be 5 plus years ago when players were taking top five money at their position they were willing to take what the franchise tag said they were worth in that general area you know top five money now they're demanding to be the highest paid new market money skill player in the league//

That changes a lot I know Khalil Mack got a couple of really high draft picks for him he he was in a similar position but not exactly the same he wasn't demanding this type of money he got paid really good money but he didn't get paid new market setting record money..

So show me all these suitors that we're going to have that are going to step in line and give us what a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd because that's probably what he's worth or 2 firsts..

I think you need to dive into this deeper before you think that heat one he's going to play under his current deal and two how tradable is he is it even worth moving him if we can't maximize the draft picks..

Carl Pickens?

 

[Bobhaze]

I've been thinking along the same lines. If EZ is 85% of Parsons, the dropoff would be negligible.

I love Parsons, but I think paying him 40+ mil/season would be a mistake. Now, the problem is, if we weren't going to keep him, he should've already been traded.

Yes, But our GM doesn’t think ahead very well. He even brags about being “comfortable with ambiguity”.

Which is great for a businessman taking risks but for a pro sports GM serious about winning a championship, ambiguity is something you want to minimize.

Another reason JJ is not a good GM.

 

[kskboys]

Yes, But our GM doesn’t think ahead very well. He even brags about being “comfortable with ambiguity”.

Which is great for a businessman taking risks but for a pro sports GM serious about winning a championship, ambiguity is something you want to minimize.

Another reason JJ is not a good GM.

33rd in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Flamma]

I'm not following this straight close enough to know where this started or where it ends but if you guys are talking about allowing Parsons to play under his 24 million 5th year option I don't think that's gonna happen I think he will hold out.... And then you try to franchise tag him next year and he'll hold out again I don't think he's going to play unless he has a new deal so you're not going to get him this year if you don't redo his deal so if that is where this conversation has been going in my opinion is you have to sign in because I don't think he'll play..

I could be wrong but I really doubt It.

I agree with you. I don't see a situation where he plays out his 5th year. Dallas either pays him or trades him. But that's not what we were talking about.

Someone asked why we would use a 2nd round pick on a position of strength.

 

[Majic]

Only the Cowboys could consider not paying a star player in Parsons, yet hand millions to an average/good player (Osa).

Priorities!

 

[Flamma]

Of course. However, w/ Jerry dragging the Parsons crapp out, he's either thinking of moving on or he's truly a complete imbecile.

I think that's the wrong use of the word or. That word usually implies choice. Jerry is starting to have more and more loose screws. But his son should know better. I'll go with imbecile because I do not think he has any intention of moving on. But if he thinks that he has a Parsons replacement before seeing him play a single snap in the NFL, that will also make him an Imbecile. See how the word or wasn't needed?

 

[blueblood70]

I agree with you. I don't see a situation where he plays out his 5th year. Dallas either pays him or trades him. But that's not what we were talking about.

Someone asked why we would use a 2nd round pick on a position of strength.

But my answer to that is twofold one you take the best available player and two last year that position was severely weakened and the position of strength won't be proven until actual real games are played...

folwers older

Sams coming back from injury and hasnt learned restraint yet, He's literally got all the speed and his first step and bend and moves to be an elite player but he doesn't know how to finish He only has one speed and that's a problem he doesn't know when to pull up when not to take someone to the ground And he's getting penalties and whatnot jumping offsides..

Kneeland is more of run stopper

EZE is an unproven rookie

Parsons is the only true position of strength, long term once resigned...

There's an easy answer to that it was technically a big need, so they drafted a BPA And he's probably gonna turn into a Robert Quinn type and that's great but the rest of it are all big question marks...

And in the end having too many really good players like in say September you need another position then before the trade deadline you have actual trade value there somebody in that group can get a draft pick or another player that you might need so you go ahead and load up...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

First off, I’d like to state that this thread is not an attempt to defend the way the Cowboys handle their big contracts. I do not agree with how the Joneses have done business lately.

But in looking at the Parsons deal and potential deals for Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, and possibly George Pickens it got me wondering.

Micah Parsons is undeniably a great player and a top pass rusher, but he also plays at arguably the Cowboys most well-stocked position.

Could - the key word here - could the Cowboys live without him in the future?

If EZE is what early reviews suggest. If Sam Williams shows he’s back and a force to be reckoned with.

Could the Cowboys live without Parsons?

Would the team be better off with draft picks and cap space to retain the other players mentioned above?

I don’t think there’s any cap magic that would allow you to pay Parsons $41 million a year-plus and still afford Smith, Bland, and Pickens.

But if you were to tag and/or trade Parsons next year? It might then be manageable.

My thinking is that Diggs is in his last season in Dallas anyway, and his numbers could be replaced with a new deal for Bland.

So I’m wondering, are the Cowboys playing this one out and keeping their options open? Or is this just yet another example of the Joneses poor management?

do you sign Bland over Parsons? the cap space is not an issue. if Jerry really wanted he could sign Parsons and give Smith an early contract extension to give him flexibility to sign bland and pickens. but Jerry is being Jerry. he is milking the media and publicity. it worked wonders for him last year as Dak's contract was topic of discussion in the media the entire off season. now parsons.

you think he gives a damn who gets how much? he doesn't. its all BS coming out of his mouth. there is cost controls in place for the team, and money gets spread across 50+ players. there is a reason we have one of the lowest dead cap money. because Jerry tends to keep players to the end of their contract. he doesn't let them go because of bad play (unless its personal to him or they are one legged). there is a reason we are middle of the pack in bonuses and that's mostly because of Dak and CD contracts, other wise we were 29th. there is a reason we are 26th in cash spent. its all about the bottom line. Parsons was top 3 jersey sales in NFL. all the money goes to Jerry and Cowboys because of the deal he has. its not shared revenue. you think for one second he is going to let this cash cow go?

he will let williams walk and maybe get a 3rd or 4th round pick and be happy. he will let bland walk, and put revel in for a couple of years. he will resign Pickens because cha ching on jersey sales. he will resign Smith because he has no other choice.

Jerry could have signed Parsons last year for 32M a year or so. he waited and now its 41. earlier in the off season price was about 38. he could have signed. for him to come and talk about injury and how many games played blah blah... its off season. save 3M on the cap and sign him already, but where is the fun in that. fading into the media background and being a non-story... nah jerry wouldn't have it.

Parsons will be resigned.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've been thinking along the same lines. If EZ is 85% of Parsons, the dropoff would be negligible.

I love Parsons, but I think paying him 40+ mil/season would be a mistake. Now, the problem is, if we weren't going to keep him, he should've already been traded.

ez beign 85% of parsons based on what? padless practice sessions!? he hasn't played a down of NFL football. he hasn't even played in preseason and he is being annointed already.

geez folks get a hold of yourself.

 

[blueblood70]

I think that's the wrong use of the word or. That word usually implies choice. Jerry is starting to have more and more loose screws. But his son should know better. I'll go with imbecile because I do not think he has any intention of moving on. But if he thinks that he has a Parsons replacement before seeing him play a single snap in the NFL, that will also make him an Imbecile. See how the word or wasn't needed?

You do realize that all these posts were reading it it gets lost in a lot of these threads,

They have more help than that,

they have Will Mcclay, they have consultants, and other people on their staff that help them with contracts and figuring out when to sign and how much to sign them for, they literally talked about it recently, I don't remember the guy's name but they have multiple people who understand the cap,

so there's a lot of blame to go around BUT They're not trying to do this on their own, They are a huge corporation they run it like a corporation, you can act like they still run it like a family business, but they have more people in layers to this group in management than people realize... The Dallas Cowboys have about 1200 employees if you count the players,

that's a lot of staff and a lot of it is management, they have a large group that are supposed to be helping them and in the end I realize that they have the final say and they get the blame which they should,

but don't act like they're just out there throwing darts at a spinning board with these cards on it when to pay someone and when not it may not be a method to their madness, but they know what they're doing they're just choosing to do it their way...

 

[Flamma]

But my answer to that is twofold one you take the best available player and two last year that position was severely weakened and the position of strength won't be proven until actual real games are played...

folwers older

Sams coming back from injury and hasnt learned restraint yet, He's literally got all the speed and his first step and bend and moves to be an elite player but he doesn't know how to finish He only has one speed and that's a problem he doesn't know when to pull up when not to take someone to the ground And he's getting penalties and whatnot jumping offsides..

Kneeland is more of run stopper

EZE is an unproven rookie

Parsons is the only true position of strength, long term once resigned...

There's an easy answer to that it was technically a big need, so they drafted a BPA And he's probably gonna turn into a Robert Quinn type and that's great but the rest of it are all big question marks...

And in the end having too many really good players like in say September you need another position then before the trade deadline you have actual trade value there somebody in that group can get a draft pick or another player that you might need so you go ahead and load up...

Yeah, I agree. It may be a position of strength with Parsons. I don't think we can say that without him. I don't need to repeat what you already said. It remains to be seen.

 

[Rockport]

First off, I’d like to state that this thread is not an attempt to defend the way the Cowboys handle their big contracts. I do not agree with how the Joneses have done business lately.

But in looking at the Parsons deal and potential deals for Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, and possibly George Pickens it got me wondering.

Micah Parsons is undeniably a great player and a top pass rusher, but he also plays at arguably the Cowboys most well-stocked position.

Could - the key word here - could the Cowboys live without him in the future?

If EZE is what early reviews suggest. If Sam Williams shows he’s back and a force to be reckoned with.

Could the Cowboys live without Parsons?

Would the team be better off with draft picks and cap space to retain the other players mentioned above?

I don’t think there’s any cap magic that would allow you to pay Parsons $41 million a year-plus and still afford Smith, Bland, and Pickens.

But if you were to tag and/or trade Parsons next year? It might then be manageable.

My thinking is that Diggs is in his last season in Dallas anyway, and his numbers could be replaced with a new deal for Bland.

So I’m wondering, are the Cowboys playing this one out and keeping their options open? Or is this just yet another example of the Joneses poor management?

To be honest, I’m mystified with how Jerry’s handling Parson’s contract extension. I don’t know what he’s really thinking as far as paying Micah or trading him. IMO now is not the time to trade him. It would shock the players and coaches on the team as they’ve been building and preparing well for the upcoming season. It would be even worse if they let him play out his contract and then franchise tag him for the 2026 season. The culture that the coaches are trying to instill would be destroyed immediately. Why would any player want to give it his all for an organization that treated a player such as Micah like that.

Whatever Jerry is thinking, he’s created a huge distraction for no reason. Just get out of the way Jerry, run the business and let football people run the football operations. Please Santa, make it come true.

 

[Flamma]

You do realize that all these posts were reading it it gets lost in a lot of these threads,

They have more help than that,

they have Will Mcclay, they have consultants, and other people on their staff that help them with contracts and figuring out when to sign and how much to sign them for, they literally talked about it recently, I don't remember the guy's name but they have multiple people who understand the cap,

so there's a lot of blame to go around BUT They're not trying to do this on their own, They are a huge corporation they run it like a corporation, you can act like they still run it like a family business, but they have more people in layers to this group in management than people realize... The Dallas Cowboys have about 1200 employees if you count the players,

that's a lot of staff and a lot of it is management, they have a large group that are supposed to be helping them and in the end I realize that they have the final say and they get the blame which they should,

but don't act like they're just out there throwing darts at a spinning board with these cards on it when to pay someone and when not it may not be a method to their madness, but they know what they're doing they're just choosing to do it their way...

I know that. But Jerry is the final word. No one is telling him when to pay a player. For whatever reason, Jerry has chosen to drag this out. Remember last year? I think Dak got an extension on game day of week 1. Or close to it.

 

[thunderpimp91]

What exactly are you suggesting ,You think he's gonna play under his 5th year option? Or are you saying the sign in use them for a year and then trade him, That doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense either...

You can't trade a guy and then as soon as his first year of new money starts try to trade him you know how much dead cap there is?

So, the fly in ointment here is I don't think he's going to play under this $24 million I think he holds out all the way till he can't like Week 10...

Have you also thought that other teams would give top draft picks for a guy who's demanding to be the highest paid skill player in the league at around 41 to $42 million you think they're gonna give up big draft picks?

Give me a recent example of a team that traded for a guy on Parsons level that was due a giant contract and then tell me what the compensation was....

I mean in recent years which would be 5 plus years ago when players were taking top five money at their position they were willing to take what the franchise tag said they were worth in that general area you know top five money now they're demanding to be the highest paid new market money skill player in the league//

That changes a lot I know Khalil Mack got a couple of really high draft picks for him he he was in a similar position but not exactly the same he wasn't demanding this type of money he got paid really good money but he didn't get paid new market setting record money..

So show me all these suitors that we're going to have that are going to step in line and give us what a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd because that's probably what he's worth or 2 firsts..

I think you need to dive into this deeper before you think that heat one he's going to play under his current deal and two how tradable is he is it even worth moving him if we can't maximize the draft picks..

Khalil Mack did reset the market when he signed. He signed for 6/$141 which at the time beat out Von Miller in AAV by about $4.5M. You also had Jalen Ramsey who the Rams gave up multiple 1st round picks for and reset the CB market at $20M per year with a 5/$100M deal. Russell Wilson got multiple 1sts and multiple 2nds plus more and signed a 5/$242m deal with Denver.

Its still pretty rare, and agree with the general consensus that Jerry is not plotting to trade Micah, but I have no doubts that some team would be willing to offer up at least a 1st and 2nd rounder for Parsons. Probably multiple 1sts if its a team projected to pick in the back half of the draft.

 

[Flamma]

Khalil Mack did reset the market when he signed. He signed for 6/$141 which at the time beat out Von Miller in AAV by about $4.5M. You also had Jalen Ramsey who the Rams gave up multiple 1st round picks for and reset the CB market at $20M per year with a 5/$100M deal. Russell Wilson got multiple 1sts and multiple 2nds plus more and signed a 5/$242m deal with Denver.

Its still pretty rare, and agree with the general consensus that Jerry is not plotting to trade Micah, but I have no doubts that some team would be willing to offer up at least a 1st and 2nd rounder for Parsons. Probably multiple 1sts if its a team projected to pick in the back half of the draft.

I think we could get two 1st rounders for Parsons. Didn't Laremy Tunsil get traded for two first rounders? Teams will pay it.