Micah is a no show at voluntary OTAs this week

[shabazz]

While Trey is a flat out stud he’s 31. If they are waiting for the leaves to fall Cincy is possibly worse at signing guys than us…

If their FO doesn't pay that guy , their fans may run them out of Ohio

 

[shabazz]

The fans that do not like things, refuse to understand this. Everything must be Jerry's fault.
Micah can come out and say, it was himself and his agent all along.
Some fans will say, Jerry had him say that.

For sure there are many things that the fans aren't privy to, but when Jerry said "I'm not in a rush to pay Ceedee", he gives them pretty good ammunition ......hes even quoted as saying that about Micah.

 

[Coogiguy03]

He’s been a no-show for a lot of things. Lol

YOU'RE WRONG FOR THAT, take it back now, he's our saviour our leader, our chosen one!! He's the ONLY pass rusher in league history that's doubled on EVERY play!!!!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

If only Jerry would sign our players earlier so we wouldn’t have to deal with all this offseason drama.

he likes it, hell as long as his money's right, MICAH WHO??? lol

 

[Whirlwin]

YOU'RE WRONG FOR THAT, take it back now, he's our saviour our leader, our chosen one!! He's the ONLY pass rusher in league history that's doubled on EVERY play!!!!!

You speculated. I never mentioned what a lot of things were. Lol too funny.

 

[Whirlwin]

Should have done it last year when it was apparent we were going nowhere. What might have Detroit given up for him when Hutchison went down??

I’m not positive, but I thought that was past the trade deadline

 

[CATCH17]

Trade him, Jerry.

He will start to fall off as soon as he’s paid. He also does nothing against good teams or in the playoffs.

He’s too interested in the “influencer” lifestyle.

You could get some good draft capital for him. Do it.

He’s one of the 3 best defenders in football.

If Dallas could get an incredible draft haul for him I’d do it but it starts with 2 first rounders.

 

[Whirlwin]

He’s one of the 3 best defenders in football.

If Dallas could get an incredible draft haul for him I’d do it but it starts with 2 first rounders.

It would have to be close to Herschel

 

[jaythecowboy]

For sure there are many things that the fans aren't privy to, but when Jerry said "I'm not in a rush to pay Ceedee", he gives them pretty good ammunition ......hes even quoted as saying that about Micah.

Jerry Jones has stated it multiple times
“deadlines make deals”
“waiting for more leaves to fall”

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

By the way, "what do voluntary mean" again?

Its just a fancy way of saying "show up if you care about winning, be "traveling" and don't show up if you just want dat check"

 

[Rayman70]

Micah is hot air. No substance with what he says or does. Might be better off without him. Maybe he should retire and stick to his podcast. Oh yeah, he wouldn't even have his platform if not for the fact he is employed by the Dallas Cowboys. This young man needs an intervention. His Dad needs to smell the coffee too.

 

[Rayman70]

Its just a fancy way of saying "show up if you care about winning, be "traveling" and don't show up if you just want dat check"

Micah shows without a shadow of a doubt, what he's all about. If you see what he does in big games, and what he says on his platform, you know. We fans are frustrated with him, and I think I speak for the vast majority of us. We need to trade him or get off the pot and extend him, turn the page.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

By the way, "what do voluntary mean" again?

Ots just a fancy way of saying "show up if you care about winning, be "traveling" and don't show up if you just want dat check

Micah shows without a shadow of a doubt, what he's all about. If you see what he does in big games, and what he says on his platform, you know. We fans are frustrated with him, and I think I speak for the vast majority of us. We need to trade him or get off the pot and extend him, turn the page.

The Cowboys could get a haul for him. There would be some AFC teams out there that are desperate to get over the hump,nthat would give two 1sts, and maybe a 3rd or so for him.

I'd avoid teams like KC or Buffalo, where it's a good bet their picks would be late 20s or 30 for a while. But teams like Denver, Chargers, Pittsburg, cincy...teams that have a lot of pressure to win now but who also could have a bad season or 2 in the near future would be ideal. Or the Colts even better

 

[noshame]

Trade him, Jerry.

He will start to fall off as soon as he’s paid. He also does nothing against good teams or in the playoffs.

He’s too interested in the “influencer” lifestyle.

You could get some good draft capital for him. Do it.

A year ago.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Pay the man already. I get so sick and tired of all the shenanigans these old fools play

I've read in more than one place a deal has been reached just not announced.

 

[Chuck 54]

Zeke holds out. Dak holds out. Lamb holds out. Micah holds out. Its the Cowboy way. Schott is all about the culture he is creating..........Yeah right

For all his detractors, when did Dak ever hold out? He was even there last year without a contract.

 

[jmnichols75]

Trade him, Jerry.

He will start to fall off as soon as he’s paid. He also does nothing against good teams or in the playoffs.

He’s too interested in the “influencer” lifestyle.

You could get some good draft capital for him. Do it.

I take a lot of for even bringing this option up, but I remain steadfast in believing it to be a viable option. Various factors can influence my thinking at any given time, but the reasons you mention are usually toward the top (with the exception of a supposed lack of performance against some of the better teams).

It's the "influencer" thing that stands out to me most about Parsons though. I have no issue with players having an online presence, etc. but some players seem to emphasize it too much. Parsons is one of those players for me. It isn't just about how often he tweets (or whatever), I also am put off with a lot of what he says as well. It's not directly provocative or offensive, but there are a lot of hints that his ego plays too big a part in his decisions and that point to a general lack of discipline and focus. It can be a difficult argument to make because he undoubtedly spends more time being a football player than a social media figure, but the proportion between the two is little out of whack for my tastes...leaning a bit too far in the "influencer" direction.

But, fine...whatever. Let's overlook that, if for no other reason than he has ever right to say the things he's said and to do so in those types of forums. Even if it me as he gives off a strange vibe, plenty of players have things that have great potential to distractions that wind up not being one.

That still leaves the performance-related questions unanswered. Some people think there aren't any questions to answer there. You can see why they think that. Parsons has been great. Unbelievably so. He's clearly talented and has been extraordinarily productive. I even tend to defend him against his critics about not supposedly no showing up for big games or opponents, knowing that even if he doesn't show up on a stats sheet that it's likely because the opponent has scheemed to neutralize him (extra blockers, emphasizing the running game or quick passes, etc.) or that they have a other worldly all-pro of their own at one of the tackle positions. It's unrealistic to 1.5 sacks per game, even for Micah (or was for LT, Reggie White, John Randle, etc.).

BUT....I get the feeling (and that's all it is...and it's, admittedly, unprovable) that Parsons will end up getting hurt and/or age quickly out of being so freaking quick and fast, robbing him of his greatest, perhaps singular (though he seems relatively strong for his size too), advantage. Injury is a risk for EVERY player but for guys like Parsons, who seem reliant on their undeniably awesome skill sets, they seem to fall off quickly...sometimes with an easy explanation of injury, sometimes due to something more nebuouls and age-related...almost like the "wear and tear curve" was flat for them for an extra year or two, making them appear to defy the normal rules of aging, but then everything happens all at once and that "curve" goes nearly vertical. Again, I'm fully aware that this is just a feeling and that Parsons' *current* (or at least most recent) production doesn't do much to lend credence to it. Still, he's a bit undersized for the Cowboys have typically asked him to do, and that also is rarely good for players. I think he could show up one year (no, I don't believe it will be this one) and his tank will "suddenly" be almost empty.

Do the Cowboys want to be paying a player near record amounts of money for a position, and have mukyile years left on that player's contract, when they show up camp and/or the first few games of a season and it's obvious the magic is gone? Of course not. And there is no denying the risk that Parsons *could* very well end up being an elite player for another 5-7 years for another team or two if he left the Cowboys. But that is also what makes the possibility of a trade so lucrative. You wouldn't be able say a team would be out of their minds to trade for him (assuming they didn't give us a Herschel Walker-type haul for him), so there'd be plenty of interest. The potential number of picks the Cowboys could get for him, *in combination with how much it will cost to keep him* (I can't emphasize this point enough) make the idea of a trade tantalizing, despite how great he's been.

But saying that is sacreligous to some. And they let you know it too. I'm actaully NOT in favor of trading Parsons at this point. I just don't like treating the idea as non-starter under any circumstances. I do think the window for a trade has all but closed. We're post draft now. And, for other teams, it's almost become a better option to wait and see if Parsons gets a deal from the Cowboys, for how much and for how long, or if he doesn't and might be more likely to become available through free agency next year, anyway.

Sorry for being long winded about it, but it does take some explanation when you put forward the idea to trade one of your favorite teams' bets players. Simply saying that you *feel* like he could be salary cap quicksand, so trading him while his value is (probably) the highest it will ever be, doesn't seem like enough for a player who produces like Parsons has. I get why people are "protective" of him and his place on the roster. And I won't lose my mind if he sticks around for another half decade, even if my prediction (although I'm not quite sure I'm truly predicting anything) comes true and his stats fall off a cliff...because it's entirely possible that the disturbance I feel in the Force about him is off the mark and he proves to be worth whatever the Cowboys pay him during that time.

And all that is without getting the details of potential restructured, etc.!

I just don't like the all-or-nothing, extremist, binary approach to nearly all of the conversations here...on this topic and many others. Parsons has trade value, but also could contribute to the Cowboys' success (or even be an indispensable part of it). None of us know. But it's much more interesting to talk about the realistic and plausible "what ifs" than draw lines in the sand on every topic.

 

[5Stars]

I take a lot of for even bringing this option up, but I remain steadfast in believing it to be a viable option. Various factors can influence my thinking at any given time, but the reasons you mention are usually toward the top (with the exception of a supposed lack of performance against some of the better teams).

It's the "influencer" thing that stands out to me most about Parsons though. I have no issue with players having an online presence, etc. but some players seem to emphasize it too much. Parsons is one of those players for me. It isn't just about how often he tweets (or whatever), I also am put off with a lot of what he says as well. It's not directly provocative or offensive, but there are a lot of hints that his ego plays too big a part in his decisions and that point to a general lack of discipline and focus. It can be a difficult argument to make because he undoubtedly spends more time being a football player than a social media figure, but the proportion between the two is little out of whack for my tastes...leaning a bit too far in the "influencer" direction.

But, fine...whatever. Let's overlook that, if for no other reason than he has ever right to say the things he's said and to do so in those types of forums. Even if it me as he gives off a strange vibe, plenty of players have things that have great potential to distractions that wind up not being one.

That still leaves the performance-related questions unanswered. Some people think there aren't any questions to answer there. You can see why they think that. Parsons has been great. Unbelievably so. He's clearly talented and has been extraordinarily productive. I even tend to defend him against his critics about not supposedly no showing up for big games or opponents, knowing that even if he doesn't show up on a stats sheet that it's likely because the opponent has scheemed to neutralize him (extra blockers, emphasizing the running game or quick passes, etc.) or that they have a other worldly all-pro of their own at one of the tackle positions. It's unrealistic to 1.5 sacks per game, even for Micah (or was for LT, Reggie White, John Randle, etc.).

BUT....I get the feeling (and that's all it is...and it's, admittedly, unprovable) that Parsons will end up getting hurt and/or age quickly out of being so freaking quick and fast, robbing him of his greatest, perhaps singular (though he seems relatively strong for his size too), advantage. Injury is a risk for EVERY player but for guys like Parsons, who seem reliant on their undeniably awesome skill sets, they seem to fall off quickly...sometimes with an easy explanation of injury, sometimes due to something more nebuouls and age-related...almost like the "wear and tear curve" was flat for them for an extra year or two, making them appear to defy the normal rules of aging, but then everything happens all at once and that "curve" goes nearly vertical. Again, I'm fully aware that this is just a feeling and that Parsons' *current* (or at least most recent) production doesn't do much to lend credence to it. Still, he's a bit undersized for the Cowboys have typically asked him to do, and that also is rarely good for players. I think he could show up one year (no, I don't believe it will be this one) and his tank will "suddenly" be almost empty.

Do the Cowboys want to be paying a player near record amounts of money for a position, and have mukyile years left on that player's contract, when they show up camp and/or the first few games of a season and it's obvious the magic is gone? Of course not. And there is no denying the risk that Parsons *could* very well end up being an elite player for another 5-7 years for another team or two if he left the Cowboys. But that is also what makes the possibility of a trade so lucrative. You wouldn't be able say a team would be out of their minds to trade for him (assuming they didn't give us a Herschel Walker-type haul for him), so there'd be plenty of interest. The potential number of picks the Cowboys could get for him, *in combination with how much it will cost to keep him* (I can't emphasize this point enough) make the idea of a trade tantalizing, despite how great he's been.

But saying that is sacreligous to some. And they let you know it too. I'm actaully NOT in favor of trading Parsons at this point. I just don't like treating the idea as non-starter under any circumstances. I do think the window for a trade has all but closed. We're post draft now. And, for other teams, it's almost become a better option to wait and see if Parsons gets a deal from the Cowboys, for how much and for how long, or if he doesn't and might be more likely to become available through free agency next year, anyway.

Sorry for being long winded about it, but it does take some explanation when you put forward the idea to trade one of your favorite teams' bets players. Simply saying that you *feel* like he could be salary cap quicksand, so trading him while his value is (probably) the highest it will ever be, doesn't seem like enough for a player who produces like Parsons has. I get why people are "protective" of him and his place on the roster. And I won't lose my mind if he sticks around for another half decade, even if my prediction (although I'm not quite sure I'm truly predicting anything) comes true and his stats fall off a cliff...because it's entirely possible that the disturbance I feel in the Force about him is off the mark and he proves to be worth whatever the Cowboys pay him during that time.

And all that is without getting the details of potential restructured, etc.!

I just don't like the all-or-nothing, extremist, binary approach to nearly all of the conversations here...on this topic and many others. Parsons has trade value, but also could contribute to the Cowboys' success (or even be an indispensable part of it). None of us know. But it's much more interesting to talk about the realistic and plausible "what ifs" than draw lines in the sand on every topic.

Oh, oh! Blueblood has some competition! lol

 

[jmnichols75]

Zach Martin held out an entire training camp while under contract because he wanted more money.

Not OTAs. Not during negotiations. When he had years left on his deal. He just wanted to get one more bag.

No one here was bothered. All I saw was “pay the man!!!”

So, he got more money and proceeded to rapidly decline until he was a liability.

IIRC, I do think that there was additional context to Martin's situation. It's probably now well known. And that's probably because what created it is likely to be technically a violation of league rules and/or the agreement with the players' union. But Martin, according to some reports at the time, had been all but explicitly promised to be compensated better in the future if he'd take a more team friendly deal after his rookie one (I think it was) expired. The Cowboys, supposedly, dragged their feet for an extra year, maybe two, in extending/renegotiating his contract to do so. So, he held out to force the issue.

I think the difference in Martin's situation was that the winks and nods were obvious and undeniable, but the Cowboys thought they could keep skating by on the informality of it all. These types of things aren't supposed to happen, but probably do all the time. But I think I remember reading that Martin, for all intents and purposes, was promised a big pay day later, if he'd take the lower salary in the moment. It wasn't an implicit understanding, or a strong hint, but a verbal commitment that fell just within the bounds of plausible deniability.

I'm not defending what the Cowboys and/or Martin (supposedly) did but, if the reports were accurate (and I believed them to be at the time), then I understand why Martin held like he did. I still don't like that he did it. The whole thing should never have happened, but it did.

 

[jmnichols75]

Zeke holds out. Dak holds out. Lamb holds out. Micah holds out. Its the Cowboy way. Schott is all about the culture he is creating..........Yeah right

Locker room culture and the business side of things are separate issues. Not saying they don't impact one another, but they are handled separately and, from nearly everything I've ever read, are almost always compartmentalized by players.