Michael Brelo

[JoeKing]

That's a naïve assumption but I respect anyone from sharing it.

Ok, whatever... better "naïve" and stay alive than face the hail of bullets that these two died from.

 

[speedkilz88]

That's a naïve assumption but I respect anyone from sharing it.

I'm not sure what you think is naive. But imo it is naive to think it's smart to run from police.

 

[speedkilz88]

Ok, whatever... better "naïve" and stay alive than face the hail of bullets that these two died from.

Let's look at the percentages. I think even if you have agitated a cop through a misunderstanding like this situation. The percentages of you being killed are low if you just pull over and explain that your car backfired. While obviously fleeing and participating in a dangerous chase in contrast makes the odds very high in your death.

 

[DallasEast]

Ok, whatever... better "naïve" and stay alive than face the hail of bullets that these two died from.

Here's a true story, one of thousands in American history alone but one of dozens I was personally informed of:

There was this young couple, both barely twenty years old. Both never in trouble with the law. They couldn't split a speeding ticket between the two of them.

There was another young man, in his mid-twenties. Smart. Compulsive. Paralyzed from the abdomen down. He got from place-to-place via a motorized wheelchair.

Around 8:30 pm on a late spring day, the couple was driving home. The truck they were traveling in was doing 55 in a 25 mile per hour speed zone. The wheelchair bound young man was also trying to get home, which was only 150 yards away.

Who knows if he saw the truck barrel over the slight hill behind him? Maybe for a split second he saw the headlights directly behind him as he maneuvered his chair near the shoulder edge of the town road. Maybe he realized his mistake has the moment when the impact of the truck sent him flying sixty yards down the road. Whatever he sensed, he took with him to his grave.

Unfortunately, he wasn't the only one who made a mistake that night. The driver knew he had hit someone the moment it happened but he kept driving. He said the whole thing scared him to death. His fiancé said she remained in shock until they almost arrived home. Both turned themselves into the police the next morning.

The police questioned them. The officers asked, "Why didn't you stop? It was night. It was an accident. We know the victim was physically on the road when both of you were driving approximately twice the speed at the time of the accident. You hit him but you should not have run. Why did you?

Both said they were too scared and didn't think.

That was four years ago. Both were convicted of involuntary manslaughter. They're still serving time in prison.

They were old enough to know better. Perhaps a tiny voice told one or both of them to stop. They didn't. Others would have stopped in the situation. Others have stopped in that situation. They didn't think. They didn't stop. It happens. A lot. And that's an understatement. You know. Being scared to the point where common sense does not take over.

Well. I know it happens.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not sure what you think is naive. But imo it is naive to think it's smart to run from police.

Wait. What?

Who said anything about it being smart to run from police???

Edit: I think I know what's up. I replied to this part of mrxstar's reply:

So my only conclusion is this was not the case with these two that got themselves killed.

I was replying that it was naïve to think that law-abiding citizens would not try to run from the police out of fear. Smart? No. Has it happened? Yes. Many times.

 

[Tabascocat]

Wait. What?

Who said anything about it being smart to run from police???

That's what your initial post suggested, to me anyways. Saying it is naive to think that people were well-raised to respect the police and not run.

Something was lost in translation here............

 

[DallasEast]

That's what your initial post suggested, to me anyways. Saying it is naive to think that people were well-raised to respect the police and not run.

Something was lost in translation here............

Yep. That was my fault. I re-read my earlier reply and edited my previous post (see above).

 

[JoeKing]

Here's a true story, one of thousands in American history alone but one of dozens I was personally informed of:

There was this young couple, both barely twenty years old. Both never in trouble with the law. They couldn't split a speeding ticket between the two of them.

There was another young man, in his mid-twenties. Smart. Compulsive. Paralyzed from the abdomen down. He got from place-to-place via a motorized wheelchair.

Around 8:30 pm on a late spring day, the couple was driving home. The truck they were traveling in was doing 55 in a 25 mile per hour speed zone. The wheelchair bound young man was also trying to get home, which was only 150 yards away.

Who knows if he saw the truck barrel over the slight hill behind him? Maybe for a split second he saw the headlights directly behind him as he maneuvered his chair near the shoulder edge of the town road. Maybe he realized his mistake has the moment when the impact of the truck sent him flying sixty yards down the road. Whatever he sensed, he took with him to his grave.

Unfortunately, he wasn't the only one who made a mistake that night. The driver knew he had hit someone the moment it happened but he kept driving. He said the whole thing scared him to death. His fiancé said she remained in shock until they almost arrived home. Both turned themselves into the police the next morning.

The police questioned them. The officers asked, "Why didn't you stop? It was night. It was an accident. We know the victim was physically on the road when both of you were driving approximately twice the speed at the time of the accident. You hit him but you should not have run. Why did you?

Both said they were too scared and didn't think.

That was four years ago. Both were convicted of involuntary manslaughter. They're still serving time in prison.

They were old enough to know better. Perhaps a tiny voice told one or both of them to stop. They didn't. Others would have stopped in the situation. Others have stopped in that situation. They didn't think. They didn't stop. It happens. A lot. And that's an understatement. You know. Being scared to the point where common sense does not take over.

Well. I know it happens.

That's why it's important to teach your kids from an early age that being accountable for your actions is always the best course of action, integrity matters. I've been in a similar situation as a very young man and I stopped... I was crying my eyes out, but I stopped.

 

[DallasEast]

That's why it's important to teach your kids from an early age that being accountable for your actions is always the best course of action, integrity matters. I've been in a similar situation as a very young man and I stopped... I was crying my eyes out, but I stopped.

Both of the young people came from deeply religious families. Both were smart and doing well in college at the time. Again, they were never in trouble with the law before.

 

[JoeKing]

Both of the young people came from deeply religious families. Both were smart and doing well in college at the time. Again, they were never in trouble with the law before.

Despite religious upbringing and intelligence, the lesson of integrity apparently never sunk in with these two.

 

[DallasEast]

Despite religious upbringing and intelligence, the lesson of integrity apparently never sunk in with these two.

That's a low blow coming from someone who does not know either person. They turned themselves in the next morning. They overcame their fear and did the right thing. Yet you say they lack integrity?

This discussion is going nowhere. You have your opinion based on generalizations. I respect it. The world, and America, is a BIT more intricate than your opinion allows. It always has been. It will continue to do so unless all of humanity somehow instantaneously evolves into totally rational thinking beings overnight. Me? I'm betting it won't.

 

[JoeKing]

That's a low blow coming from someone who does not know either person. They turned themselves in the next morning. They overcame their fear and did the right thing. Yet you say they lack integrity?

This discussion is going nowhere. You have your opinion based on generalizations. I respect it. The world, and America, is a BIT more intricate than your opinion allows. It always has been. It will continue to do so unless all of humanity somehow instantaneously evolves into totally rational thinking beings overnight. Me? I'm betting it won't.

I thought you were talking about the two that were killed by the police. Respecting authority is not complicated.

 

[DallasEast]

I thought you were talking about the two that were killed by the police. Respecting authority is not complicated.

My apologies. I wasn't. I already hypothesized why the couple may have ran from police and were subsequently killed. Let me also mention I do not know whether my hypothesis is correct.

 

[Fletch]

Then "social justice" flies in the face of common sense.

Sure does. I'm sick of the media siding with ignorance.

 

[speedkilz88]

Wait. What?

Who said anything about it being smart to run from police???

Edit: I think I know what's up. I replied to this part of mrxstar's reply:
I was replying that it was naïve to think that law-abiding citizens would not try to run from the police out of fear. Smart? No. Has it happened? Yes. Many times.

OK. I get that. People do stupid things. I think we both misunderstood your point. I do wonder on the story you brought up is if those people were drinking. Because generally when people hit and run that is the reason. Dwayne Goodrich is the poster boy. And those little wheelchairs are fairly slow, at least the old ones. Maybe he was already going across and they were on top of him before he could do anything.

 

[DallasEast]

OK. I get that. People do stupid things. I think we both misunderstood your point. I do wonder on the story you brought up is if those people were drinking. Because generally when people hit and run that is the reason. Dwayne Goodrich is the poster boy. And those little wheelchairs are fairly slow, at least the old ones. Maybe he was already going across and they were on top of him before he could do anything.

The last part is correct. The couple had not been drinking that night. He was traveling in his wheelchair and just happened to be on the downslope of a small incline. It's nearly impossible to see small children or someone crouch that low on the opposite side of the incline. There are caution signs posted for walking pedestrians because it is a residential area but people speed nonetheless.

 

[arglebargle]

My brother worked for awhile as the HR guy for a major metropolitan police force. He didn't search for the 'best and brightest' to bring in: He had to fill the police academy with warm bodies, and hope that they flushed out the trash there.

If you don't keep your house clean, you shouldn't be too surprised when someone decides to clean it up for you.