Might ask for a pay reduction, but wouldn't cut... Roy Williams

[lockster]

Why would you spend a number one pick on a RB when you need CB, S, ILB and most importantly OL?

It's for the same reason we drafted Dez, Mark Ingram is no average rb. He is a beast! We can hire FA's to cover the OL if we have too.

 

[Randy White]

I'm sure there are reason for both keeping and releasing him I don't see it being a big help to the offense by only having 2 WR with starting skills.

Especially when the league is turning more and more into a 3 receiver set offenses.. and if either Austin or Dez go down, then what ?

That's the difficult part in cutting him.

 

[Randy White]

Because Mark Ingram is no average rb. He is a beast! We can hire FA's to cover the OL if we have too.

Nothing against Ingram, but unless the offense is going to revert back to the early '90's, which it won't, you could find adecuate RBs who'd give you enough productions just about anywhere in the draft.

As a matter of fact, the Cowboys have one who they don't use, lord only knows why, on their roster.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Why would you spend a number one pick on a RB when you need CB, S, ILB and most importantly OL?

Well, its in your face really. Jerry has never spend a first round pick on the OL. Do you see that changing?? Honestly, I don't.

When we were running the 4-3, he would never spend a high pick on a LB....Ken Norton got mad and left cause Jerry didn't wanna spend on LBs. That only changed cause we run the 3-4 now.

I just don't see Jerry changing his thought process on the OL. Roy Williams the safety and Barbie (a BP pick) at supposedly ILB were stabs at those spots in the first round....did that work out.

Jerry has a memory, I figure he would go with ingram, CB (eventually moving TNew to FS), or something of that order unless he thinks the player is special. Personally, I would love a Jack Long pick, but thats not going to happen cause we wont draft that high plus there is no Long in this draft.

Expect another skill position draft, probably a DB, and everyone to be yelling for an ordinary pick like a ILB or OL in the first. Odds are against you.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

According to rotoworld, his salary next year is going to be $5.1 million dollars.

It's well know that there's a strong probability ( maybe even certainty ) that Leonard Davis ( $6 millions ) and Marion Barber ( $4.24 millions ) will not be back next season. That leaves 4 highly paid offensive starters ( TR, Witten, Austin, and RW ). It's also assumed that Doug Free will be resigned.

The following players are unrestricted FA and most, if not all, will not be back:

Marcus Spears = $1.3 millions (off the books)
Jason Hatcher = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Stephen Bowen = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Alex Barron = $2.8 millions ( off the books )
Keith Brooking = $2 millions ( off the books )
Montrae Holland = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Sam Hurd = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Gerald Sensabaugh = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Kyle Kosier = $3 millions ( off the books )

That's 9 players totaling 18 million dollars, 11 players totaling 28 millions if Davis and Barber are counted.

There are also bubble players: Terrence Newman and Roy Williams himself. Cutting them both would add another 13 million dollars ( Williams - 5, Newman - 8 ) making it a grand total of 13 players with 41 million dollars in present and next year's salaries.

The team would have to use some of that money in finding replacements for those players ( especially T-new, Sensabugh, Spears, Kosier and Davis who are starters ) and build back depth, however.

Some of the starters and depth are going to, or can, come from within ( Costa, Young, Brewster, Bright, Choice, Ogletree, Scandrick - who had a solid performance yesterday -, Church, AOA, McCray, Brent, McCann, Lee, Williams [both], Lissemore.. etc )... some will come from the draft, but the most important pieces who will contribute right away will come through free agency, depending who's available.

If it was up to me, and depending on who's available in free agency, I'd start with the high figure. I'd cut, or chose not to resign, the 13 players that would save and/or free up 41 million dollars. I might bring a couple of back ( Bowen, Hurd, Kosier ) but for a reduced priced, say a million each, which is the high end vet minimum and as experienced depth only.

I then go shopping. Free agency: Carl Nicks and Logan Mankins are my top targets. I want them both and do everything within reason to get them. They would be the perfect scenario and the center pieces of the off season. If I only end up with one, I'd be sad, but not disappointed ( I'm greedy, sue me ), because even with one, the restructuring of the roster would be well on the way. After getting one, if not both of those guys, I'd then turn my attention to the CB position. Again, depending on where the pick in the draft is, I'd look for a veteran CB who's not a " great " ( meaning expensive ), but a solid player who doesn't mind being a back up.

Other than Peterson, here's the problem with drafting a CB or even a Safety with that pick: assuming Newman is released, the top guys will be Jenkins ( 4th year ), Scandrick ( 4th year ), McCann ( 2nd year ). There's alot of youth in that group to add yet another young guy who'll likely be a developmental project. If it's Peterson, then all bets are off.

Samething with safeties. Assuming that Sensabaugh is not brought back, it would be Church, AOA, and McCray. There are no Safeties in the draft that one can point at and say " yea, he's sure starter from day 1 ", so, just like CBs, my direction would be towards an experienced, cheap as possible, solid player who'd bring some estability to that group. UNLESS there's a top FA that I simply cannot pass up, but I don't know of any at this moment.

After addressing the interior O-line needs, and restructuring the starting line up ( defense: Start Brent at NG, move Ratt to DE, rotate Lissemore with Olshansky - who, by the way, many people have been ragging on undeservingly so, start Lee plus the young safeties ), I'd then go on to the business of adding depth through the draft and 2nd tier free agents. It would be a less talented roster, but it would be leaner, even younger, and perhaps a hungrier one.

Since this draft has alot of DEs that are supposed to go in the middle of this draft, DB or DE might be what we end up with. A DE would save alot of money, and would be attractive long term......although every fan would hate the pick.

A DB would still make alot of sense simply cause of TNew's age.....which was easily seen to happpen even when we drafted him. Alot of CBs move to free safety as they get older, but we don't know if this can happen with TNew.

Yeah OL or ILB would be nice, but since I don't see us going either early, hopefully we can get an OL FA and Lee will work out at ILB then we can pick both up later in the draft and see if they develop.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well, its in your face really. Jerry has never spend a first round pick on the OL. Do you see that changing?? Honestly, I don't.

When we were running the 4-3, he would never spend a high pick on a LB....Ken Norton got mad and left cause Jerry didn't wanna spend on LBs. That only changed cause we run the 3-4 now.

I just don't see Jerry changing his thought process on the OL. Roy Williams the safety and Barbie (a BP pick) at supposedly ILB were stabs at those spots in the first round....did that work out.

Jerry has a memory, I figure he would go with ingram, CB (eventually moving TNew to FS), or something of that order unless he thinks the player is special. Personally, I would love a Jack Long pick, but thats not going to happen cause we wont draft that high plus there is no Long in this draft.

Expect another skill position draft, probably a DB, and everyone to be yelling for an ordinary pick like a ILB or OL in the first. Odds are against you.

Jimmy Johnson did not believe in spending big money on LB in the 4-3 and was HC when Norton was let go.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Jimmy Johnson did not believe in spending big money on LB in the 4-3 and was HC when Norton was let go.

Yeah I know, but were Jimmy and Jerry that much different at that time. And I think Jimmy was right btw.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah I know, but were Jimmy and Jerry that much different at that time. And I think Jimmy was right btw.

Let me say Dallas through out it's history has not drafted many OL with the 1st rd pick of their draft. I can only think of 2 in all the years Landry was here and yet we produced several good lineman. Jimmy never selected OL with 1st rd picks. I'm not opposed to selecting an OL with the 1st pick if the OL player is Head and shoulders above other players in the 1st rd when our pick comes.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I wouldn't mind them some how working the deal out to make it justifable to keep him for the #3 WR. He's worked his butt of this year, played much better, and is a solid teammate for the Cowboys players.

I feel the same way. It's almost like right when he starts doing well we waive him.

I hope to see us at least make an effort to keep him.

I'm not sure, but what are the figures of our cap and what is that going to look like?

It probably depends mostly on that.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Let me say Dallas through out it's history has not drafted many OL with the 1st rd pick of their draft. I can only think of 2 in all the years Landry was here and yet we produced several good lineman. Jimmy never selected OL with 1st rd picks. I'm not opposed to selecting an OL with the 1st pick if the OL player is Head and shoulders above other players in the 1st rd when our pick comes.

Yeah, problem is there aren't any OL like that in this years draft that would rate high enough to make us draft them, unless we drop to the 20s in the draft. Unless we go on a real winning streak, we would have to reach for an OL in this draft high.

I would hate every minute of it, but I wouldn't blame Jerry if he went DE in this draft in the first round cause thats where the value is. I would much rather have a CB though, unless we wanna reach for another Rogers pick. I'm really scared of a reach by Jerry if we pick in the teens, unless its a DE or CB.

 

[UnoDallas]

Keep Roy Williams

he still thinks hes the number one

when in actuality hes a poor mans number there

2011: $5,109,971
2012: $6.802 million

hes gone IMO

when you can draft some one to catch 2 balls a game

besides we need a good slot guy

 

[yomjoseki]

They'd be lucky to get a low 4th, high 5th round pick in return for him (and I think they'd be smart to take it, if only for help along the offensive line). He has played better this season than before but with Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten, a draft pick is way more valuable to the Cowboys. The problem with his trade value is obviously his contract, but it's actually looking more and more reasonable if he keeps playing well.

 

[Doomsday]

Peterson is a no brainer if he is there when we pick.

I dont see how Dallas could afford to trade or release RW next season if there is a salary CAP. With all the guaranteed money he was given the hit would be too big.

 

[UnoDallas]

Peterson is a no brainer if he is there when we pick.

I dont see how Dallas could afford to trade or release RW next season if there is a salary CAP. With all the guaranteed money he was given the hit would be too big.

hes already stole Jerry's money

2010: $3,452,629 (+ $9.5 million guaranteed option bonus),
2011: $5,109,971
2012: $6.802 million

yea thats right were payin a number 4 reciever 13 mil for 2010

that won't count againest next years cap

I am sorry we can get a Rookie in here to catch 2 balls a game and 5 TDS

After Sunday's game, Roy Williams sounded resigned to the fact that he's officially been passed up by rookie Dez Bryant.

"I understand my role," said Williams. "Make the play when it comes my way. If it's blocking, if it's running a certain route and catching it and doing something with it, so be it. I'm just happy to be a part of this football team." Williams has been a non-factor since Jon Kitna took over, while Bryant has exploded.

 

[lockster]

Nothing against Ingram, but unless the offense is going to revert back to the early '90's, which it won't, you could find adecuate RBs who'd give you enough productions just about anywhere in the draft.

As a matter of fact, the Cowboys have one who they don't use, lord only knows why, on their roster.

That's true

 

[LarryCanadian]

Weird to see this thread I posted from 3 weeks ago, come back to 1st page.

I still say that this team has a number of holes, and IF Roy Williams would take a pay cut, I would keep him. Other than the fumbles after catch I think he has had a good year and is a very good 3rd receiver/Red Zone/Stick mover possession guy.

Depends on the money though. We can sign a couple of decent free agents for $6Million as that would go a long way towards a really good oline dude.

Same goes for Barber. IF he takes a pay cut, then I keep him as a backup and blocking back, a guy you use to run out the clock. He won't go for that role though, but I think Roy might be willing to take pay cut.

Isn't it worth asking at least?

LarryCanadian

 

[yimyammer]

The only reason I don't do this is because the amount of a pay cut he would have to take to be a justifiable third receiver expense is more than I would ever be comfortable asking a guy to take.

I wouldn't hesitate to ask him to take a pay cut, especially given how vastly overpaid he has been the last few years. If he can make more elsewhere, good for him, but if he stays with the Cowboys, he gets to stay in his home state where there is no state income tax, property is cheap, he doesn't have to move his family and if he performs well, he'll get more marketing opportunities than with most, if not all, other teams.

 

[TD-33]

According to rotoworld, his salary next year is going to be $5.1 million dollars.

It's well know that there's a strong probability ( maybe even certainty ) that Leonard Davis ( $6 millions ) and Marion Barber ( $4.24 millions ) will not be back next season. That leaves 4 highly paid offensive starters ( TR, Witten, Austin, and RW ). It's also assumed that Doug Free will be resigned.

The following players are unrestricted FA and most, if not all, will not be back:

Marcus Spears = $1.3 millions (off the books)
Jason Hatcher = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Stephen Bowen = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Alex Barron = $2.8 millions ( off the books )
Keith Brooking = $2 millions ( off the books )
Montrae Holland = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Sam Hurd = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Gerald Sensabaugh = $1.8 millions ( off the books )
Kyle Kosier = $3 millions ( off the books )

That's 9 players totaling 18 million dollars, 11 players totaling 28 millions if Davis and Barber are counted.

There are also bubble players: Terrence Newman and Roy Williams himself. Cutting them both would add another 13 million dollars ( Williams - 5, Newman - 8 ) making it a grand total of 13 players with 41 million dollars in present and next year's salaries.

The team would have to use some of that money in finding replacements for those players ( especially T-new, Sensabugh, Spears, Kosier and Davis who are starters ) and build back depth, however.

sigh

So another advocate of cutting 1 of the best linemen (Kosier) best DE (Spears) both of the DE backups, starting ILB, #1 CB, starting SS, #4 WR who incidentally is the best ST player on the roster, #3 receiver who produces like a #2 in scores and Holland who played well for Kosier not to mention Davis.

None of these guys will be back....

 

[sonnyboy]

Yeah, problem is there aren't any OL like that in this years draft that would rate high enough to make us draft them, unless we drop to the 20s in the draft. Unless we go on a real winning streak, we would have to reach for an OL in this draft high.

I would hate every minute of it, but I wouldn't blame Jerry if he went DE in this draft in the first round cause thats where the value is. I would much rather have a CB though, unless we wanna reach for another Rogers pick. I'm really scared of a reach by Jerry if we pick in the teens, unless its a DE or CB.

I have no doubt you know much more than I do on the 2011 draft prospects.....

But isn't it a little early to make this assumption?

I can't remember the last draft at least 1 OL wasn't selcted top 10. Or that at least 3 didn't go top 20.


I'm not a fan of drafting OL in round 1.

Propbably said this a dozen times here but IMO.........

OL is more about having depth and no weak spots. Star type OL don't help you as much as sub par OL hurt you.
And since college OL are harder to evaluate than most other positions, you're better off going quantity over quality.
Especially when you consider their propensity to get injured. Might be just my perspective, but it seems OL get injured more often than any other position.

So at the end of the day, I want 10 guys making my 53 who I think can play well now and perhaps a couple of them rookies who I think will be able to at some point soon.

I want a bunch of guys I drafted anywhere from rds 2-7 and a few RFAs.


Now with all that said, I think 2011 like 2010, is an exception. Our OL need is so great, I'd have no problem snatching one in RD 1.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I doubt Roy would accept it nor would he want to continue to be the #3 receiver. He's good enough he can still be a very good #2 on another team. I think he'll welcome being waved.

I don't think Roy wants to leave for more playing time. According to alot of reports, he wanted to come here. Some reports even had him telling his agent to get him here no matter what, that he didn't want to be anywhere else but with the Cowboys.

I really do think he enjoys playing "at home" so to speak. And when next season starts he'll only be down for a 5.1 million dollar cap hit. Certainly doesn't seem like a ridiculous price for one of your top receivers on the team. Especially if we want to have some depth should someone go down again.