Mike Leach on QB accuracy

[ItzKelz]

I remember hearing here that he "couldn't throw the back shoulder fade." Which is complete BS.

Some fans get stuck on a phrase and really beat it to death. Even if it's not accurate.

I remember hearing here that he "couldn't throw the back shoulder fade." Which is complete BS.

Some fans get stuck on a phrase and really beat it to death. Even if it's not accurate.

Dak is accurate most of the time. You don't have the success that Dak has had with out being

He isn't really. I mean, there are some throws that he throws really well and we run a lot of that stuff but, there are some throws that he is just inconsistent with and I have no idea why. I watch him and he makes much harder throws more accurately at times. Then, he just sails balls that are actually easy. I mean, they are throws that I can still make and I'm getting older. Seriously, I have no explanation as to why this is. He is just not accurate in certain situations.

Actually he is. Just over analyzed. If he misses a deep pass its like some one launched nuclear weapons to the media and some Cowboys fans. Same thing happens with QBs in his same class...Coff and Wince and they focus on the passes they completed. There's numbers out there that prove that they all have very similar numbers and in some cases Dak is better.

Ive watch games with both Wince and Coff were they repeatedly threw balls in the ground to wide open WRs or over threw an open WR and thought during the game that none of this will be the topic of discussion on any media outlet and as predicted it wasnt. But when its Dak its the headliners on whatever sports show. Ive seen games were Dak completes over 70 percent of his passes in a game, hitting WRs all over the field both short and deep with Dak having a game winning drive in the 4th and the media said yea that was great....but he missed that one pass.

Bottomline is the media capitalizes off the Cowboys anyway they can off of Cowboys QBs and once Romo retired the overanalyzation transferred to Dak.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Good point.

Maybe because Mike Leach is incapacble of developing a pro level QB, he thinks nobody can....... the man just might be biased by his own failures.

Irony.

Like you might just be biased by your fandom.

It’s comical fans (most which likely have no practical experience of the game outside of sitting on the couch watching it) have the audacity to try and dismiss a guy (Leach) that has decades of coaching experience in the game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I appreciate the response, but like I said previously, I was merely mocking the repetitiveness of this topic.
I guess pretty poorly, looking back at it.

Oh I get it. My response was directed at your audience and not you yourself.

 

[OmerV]

It's the guy who can steal a 100 bases and hit 80 points over the Mendoza line.



What....... What did I say..........?

lol - well, that plays a part as well. If you have any of those 100 steals kind of guys laying around send them over to the Rangers.

 

[cern]

Irony.

Like you might just be biased by your fandom.

and you? hubris? to suggest others are unknowing because they only watch games suggests a level of hubris on your part.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dak is accurate most of the time. You don't have the success that Dak has had with out being

Actually he is. Just over analyzed. If he misses a deep pass its like some one launched nuclear weapons to the media and some Cowboys fans. Same thing happens with QBs in his same class...Coff and Wince and they focus on the passes they completed. There's numbers out there that prove that they all have very similar numbers and in some cases Dak is better.

Ive watch games with both Wince and Coff were they repeatedly threw balls in the ground to wide open WRs or over threw an open WR and thought during the game that none of this will be the topic of discussion on any media outlet and as predicted it wasnt. But when its Dak its the headliners on whatever sports show. Ive seen games were Dak completes over 70 percent of his passes in a game, hitting WRs all over the field both short and deep with Dak having a game winning drive in the 4th and the media said yea that was great....but he missed that one pass.

Bottomline is the media capitalizes off the Cowboys anyway they can off of Cowboys QBs and once Romo retired the overanalyzation transferred to Dak.

I don't think this is true. Any fan base that is engaged has similar discussion when these things happen. Besides, these other QBs aren't my QB and I am not concerned with them. As far as I am concerned, I hope they continue to have issues while our guy gets better.

I agree that media uses the Cowboys but honestly, our own fan base does more to facilitate this then anything. Some of us won't admit that Dak has problems with accuracy and the others won't admit that Dak is not a QB who can be effective if given the opportunity to run the right type of offense. We do it to ourselves a lot of the time. Nobody should be comparing Dak to Troy Aikman or Roger Staubach, at this point in his career. Heck, he isn't even Tony Romo yet but, that doesn't mean he can't eventually earn the right to be in those discussions, he just isn't there yet and still, we have fans who do this. We bring it on ourselves a lot of the time, IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

lol - well, that plays a part as well. If you have any of those 100 steals kind of guys laying around send them over to the Rangers.

LOL....... OK.

 

[INCowboysFan]

His point is, shortstops are chosen partly for their consistent accuracy. They are accurate by nature.

Same goes for accurate quarterbacks.

No, shortstops are chosen for their range, quickness, speed and arm strength.

 

[OmerV]

No, shortstops are chosen for their range, quickness, speed and arm strength.

Throwing accuracy is a part of it too, but there are a lot of people that can throw accurately, but much fewer that have the range, quickness, speed and arm strength for it.

 

[ItzKelz]

I don't think this is true. Any fan base that is engaged has similar discussion when these things happen. Besides, these other QBs aren't my QB and I am not concerned with them. As far as I am concerned, I hope they continue to have issues while our guy gets better.

I agree that media uses the Cowboys but honestly, our own fan base does more to facilitate this then anything. Some of us won't admit that Dak has problems with accuracy and the others won't admit that Dak is not a QB who can be effective if given the opportunity to run the right type of offense. We do it to ourselves a lot of the time. Nobody should be comparing Dak to Troy Aikman or Roger Staubach, at this point in his career. Heck, he isn't even Tony Romo yet but, that doesn't mean he can't eventually earn the right to be in those discussions, he just isn't there yet and still, we have fans who do this. We bring it on ourselves a lot of the time, IMO.

Because they are being manipulated by the media. You have to understand that you are puppet before you can remove the strings. I could have used Wince and Coff as examples....I could have used any other starting QB in the NFL. Ive never seen a QB that completed 100% of their passes for the entire season and never will.

Dak has an experience issue.....that can only be fixed with experience. His accuracy is fine which he has proven over the last 3 years at a historical level for QBs in their first 3 seasons. But because he is the Cowboys QB and the fan base for the Cowboys are to passionate for their own good every little thing the media says blinds them from the truth.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

Year 4 coming up and Dak will be taught to be accurate and fix all those other flaws he has....in the meantime Jerry is also going to become a Grade A GM .....dream on Dak lovers the odds on Dak becoming a qualified QB are pretty much the same as winning the Power ball sweepstakes.....

 

[cowboy_ron]

And you homers are even worse.

I'm hardly a Dak "homer" as you call it.....but stas can't be ignored just because you may not like him for whatever reason.......I come down pretty hard on him for hanging onto the ball too long at times, tends to not throw the ball away when needed, not reading defenses quick enough, so I'm hardly a "homer"....but to bash him for accuracy issues when other QB's some consider great (Wentz for one) are no better even with better receivers........until Cooper was acquired.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

Leach should not be given 2-day passes to be in the general population. He is truly an idiot.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because they are being manipulated by the media. You have to understand that you are puppet before you can remove the strings. I could have used Wince and Coff as examples....I could have used any other starting QB in the NFL. Ive never seen a QB that completed 100% of their passes for the entire season and never will.

Dak has an experience issue.....that can only be fixed with experience. His accuracy is fine which he has proven over the last 3 years at a historical level for QBs in their first 3 seasons. But because he is the Cowboys QB and the fan base for the Cowboys are to passionate for their own good every little thing the media says blinds them from the truth.

LOL..... No. The media only influences those who allow it to. I grew up in a very different time. Media access 24x7 was not something we lived with cradle to grave so many in my generation are not as effected by this type of thing. We learned from different sources. Now, there is probably good and bad with that but for this particular discussion, I can assure you that media influence is not the basis for my opinion. I've played, I've coached, I've run camps, I've watched NFL Football for just shy of half a century. My opinions are based on experience more then anything.

Dak does need experience but Dak is not an accurate QB in all situations. I can take the misses on the long balls, I don't like it but I understand that QBs miss. Troy was not a great long ball thrower. What I don't understand is how Dak can be consistently off on very easy passes. He flat misses and even on completions, he misses. This is not an experience thing because those types of passes, he's been throwing since his Pop Warner Days. That's not about experience. Dak has nothing over the last three years that is unprecedented. That is an example of being influenced by the media.

I don't say this because I don't like the guy, nothing like that. I just see him play and I see things he does that do not translate into accuracy. I have no reason to lie. I like Dak and I really want him to be our QB because I think he is smart enough to understand the economics of it all and help us put together a team that can win for a long period of time. I want him to get it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

However, if we can teach our receivers
to catch with their feet, Dak would be great.

 

[ItzKelz]

LOL..... No. The media only influences those who allow it to. I grew up in a very different time. Media access 24x7 was not something we lived with cradle to grave so many in my generation are not as effected by this type of thing. We learned from different sources. Now, there is probably good and bad with that but for this particular discussion, I can assure you that media influence is not the basis for my opinion. I've played, I've coached, I've run camps, I've watched NFL Football for just shy of half a century. My opinions are based on experience more then anything.

Dak does need experience but Dak is not an accurate QB in all situations. I can take the misses on the long balls, I don't like it but I understand that QBs miss. Troy was not a great long ball thrower. What I don't understand is how Dak can be consistently off on very easy passes. He flat misses and even on completions, he misses. This is not an experience thing because those types of passes, he's been throwing since his Pop Warner Days. That's not about experience. Dak has nothing over the last three years that is unprecedented. That is an example of being influenced by the media.

I don't say this because I don't like the guy, nothing like that. I just see him play and I see things he does that do not translate into accuracy. I have no reason to lie. I like Dak and I really want him to be our QB because I think he is smart enough to understand the economics of it all and help us put together a team that can win for a long period of time. I want him to get it.

Name one NFL QB in the history of the NFL that has been accurate in ALL situations. Name one NFL QB in the history of the game that has not missed passes that they completed in pop warner. Just name one.....dance puppet dance. This is media driven. You may not know that you are a puppet but the media is creating this narrative about Dak of not being accurate.

 

[Boyz981]

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

There is no coach that can teach Dak how to throw a football. You're either accurate, or you're not.

This isn't about poise. Dak has poise. So it isn't an experience fix that comes with getting "comfortable". Dak is comfortable.

And that's a problem because this just comes down to lack of ability.

Darius Jackson can practice all he wants, but he'll never be Zeke. Dak can work himself to the bone, but he'll never be an elite passer.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Name one NFL QB in the history of the NFL that has been accurate in ALL situations. Name one NFL QB in the history of the game that has not missed passes that they completed in pop warner. Just name one.....dance puppet dance. This is media driven. You may not know that you are a puppet but the media is creating this narrative about Dak of not being accurate.

I feel like we are talking across each other here. I don't think anybody is suggesting that any QB is 100% accurate. I don't think that suggesting this is the case is factual or fair. What I am saying is that Dak misses too many throws that he should not be missing at this level. That has to do with a lot of things, many of which I have already mentioned in this thread already. I mean, it's just the truth and you have to be careful that you don't shoot the messenger here.

If it is easier for you to believe that I am influence my media, that's fine. I will simply say this, there are a number of posters on here that are good quality posters. Lots of knowledge, lots of football knowledge and you can listen to what they are saying here as objective posters or you can dismiss them and never have the opportunity to have those kinds of discussions. That's up to you.

I'll just go off in the corner and dance now. Enjoy your weekend.

 

[ItzKelz]

I feel like we are talking across each other here. I don't think anybody is suggesting that any QB is 100% accurate. I don't think that suggesting this is the case is factual or fair. What I am saying is that Dak misses too many throws that he should not be missing at this level. That has to do with a lot of things, many of which I have already mentioned in this thread already. I mean, it's just the truth and you have to be careful that you don't shoot the messenger here.

If it is easier for you to believe that I am influence my media, that's fine. I will simply say this, there are a number of posters on here that are good quality posters. Lots of knowledge, lots of football knowledge and you can listen to what they are saying here as objective posters or you can dismiss them and never have the opportunity to have those kinds of discussions. That's up to you.

I'll just go off in the corner and dance now. Enjoy your weekend.

Dak is far from perfect but he will never be perfect as will no NFL QB will. Dak is however the most accurate QB after his first 3 seasons in the history of the NFL. Thats just the truth. Dont forget your dancing shoes.

 

[OmerV]

I feel like we are talking across each other here. I don't think anybody is suggesting that any QB is 100% accurate. I don't think that suggesting this is the case is factual or fair. What I am saying is that Dak misses too many throws that he should not be missing at this level. That has to do with a lot of things, many of which I have already mentioned in this thread already. I mean, it's just the truth and you have to be careful that you don't shoot the messenger here.

If it is easier for you to believe that I am influence my media, that's fine. I will simply say this, there are a number of posters on here that are good quality posters. Lots of knowledge, lots of football knowledge and you can listen to what they are saying here as objective posters or you can dismiss them and never have the opportunity to have those kinds of discussions. That's up to you.

I'll just go off in the corner and dance now. Enjoy your weekend.

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