Mike Lombardi on Roy Williams

jimmy40;2093394 said:
Actually I watched the second National Treasure movie last night and I'm taking my grand daughter to Chuck-E-Cheese for her 4th birthday party here in about an hour. Thanks for the offer though.

This is the fun part of questioning RW's skills, seeing ******** posts trying to defend him.

I haven't defended anything. Roy's skills deserve questioning. But what I gave was a very accurate summation of Roy's abilities, in response to Lombardi's "observations". Anyone who watches Roy should be able to tell that Lombardi's assertions regarding Roy's gameplay (in specifics) are complete crap. Anyone who watches Roy should be able to tell that he is at his best when he's in the deep third, being allowed to track the ball and flow to the play. If these facts are intriguing enough to amuse you, then you have my sympathies - but they are facts, nonetheless.

stealth;2093402 said:
poopy-face!


You're getting warmer. If you could fill your posts with even less substance, and more emoticons, you're in.
 
here's one more lombardi blog entry-

Don’t confuse production with performance when it comes to grading running backs. Running backs must be good in three areas- and the first one is the most important—
1. Pass Block
2. Catch
3. Run, our runs.

Can we rely on Felix to be pass block at a acceptable level?.
 
theogt;2093364 said:
It's feasible to cut him right now. We'd save a good bit of cap space doing it.

Seems like you and Lombardi just don't know all the facts. Lombardi clearly has not watched him play if he thinks Roy blitzes "all the time."

The guy has worked in the NFL, but he's also been fired by terrible NFL teams. Many GMs and scouts in the NFL are just plain stupid. Jeremy Green, Pat Kirwan, etc. These guys held scouting jobs in the NFL, even high level scouting jobs.

How did I just happen to guess you were going to do everything you could to discredit his resume because he had the audacity to bring up some very valid points about your beloved Roy Willy? Yes, he was director of player personnel with the Browns. I think it's safe to say that Lombardi's 22 years of NFL player personnel experience is about 22 more years than everyone combined on this board times a million.


Meanwhile, maybe Wade and Brian Stewart dont know what they're doing either since they seem to have the same concerns. They started taking Roy off the field last year, and outright admitted they want to take him off the field even more next year. I think that pretty much speaks volumes of what they think of Roy Williams, and it's not like Wade Phillips doesnt know what to do with a true SS ... he coached Steve Atwater in Denver.
 
theogt;2093373 said:
Superb scouting by Mr. Lombardi there. When in doubt, just quote a Galloway column.

So, apparently (1) he gets called out for coming into work early, and (2) is somehow not working hard? Amazing.

Maybe it's not bad to quote a Galloway column when he's quoting former Cowboys coaches who worked with Roy one on one for several years.

And maybe Roy's not working hard because he's coming into work early AND leaving early. Just working out for 45 minutes to an hour in the morning, showering and leaving and spending zero time in the filmroom or working out with teammates on the practice fields might not be considered 'gym rat' by NFL standards.
 
InmanRoshi;2093419 said:
How did I just happen to guess you were going to do everything you could to discredit his resume
Perhaps because you did everything to pump it up in order to make it a valuable opinion? The guy may be your hero, but he's not any more informative than the next media person. In fact, that's all he seems to do is quote other media.

Meanwhile, maybe Wade and Brian Stewart dont know what they're doing either since they seem to have the same concerns. They started taking Roy off the field last year, and outright admitted they want to take him off the field even more next year.
Actually they said he's going to have an increased role next year. You're confusing that with the situation where they'd like to employ a dime package that includes 4 corners. Las year we couldn't do that because we didn't have 4 good corners. It has nothing to do with Roy and everything to do with using 4 corners when teams use 4+ receivers.
I think that pretty much speaks volumes of what they think of Roy Williams, and it's not like Wade Phillips doesnt know what to do with a true SS ... he coached Steve Atwater in Denver.
Funny, cause Wade's said that Roy is the best SS he's had, including over Atwater.
 
When asked point blank if adding the extra corners was going to mean Roy Williams would be used less next year Brian Stewart paused and said "Yes". You know, because defensive coordinators just love to invent new ways to take their ''great" players off the field.

Yeah, Im sure he's going to have an "expanded role" this year.. aside from football player he's now going to be sideline sulker, gatorade drinker and 3rd down towell waver.
 
InmanRoshi;2093446 said:
When asked point blank if adding the extra corners was going to mean Roy Williams would be used less next year Brian Stewart paused and said "Yes". You know, because defensive coordinators just love to invent new ways to take their ''great" players off the field.

Yeah, Im sure he's going to have an "expanded role" this year.. aside from football player he's now going to be sideline sulker, gatorade drinker and 3rd down towell waver.
Actually, no he didn't. You're misquoting the question.
 
theogt;2093455 said:
Actually, no he didn't. You're misquoting the question.

do you really expect a roy basher to:
1. allow less than two ROY SUCKS threads on the front page at a time?
2. not misquote for their own warm fuzzies?
3. would move any hated journalist from "most hated" to "smartest" if they slammed roy?
4. stop whining because we all know the more they whine about it the faster they'll get their way.

i'd love for roy to be gone just to shut up the constant whine only experiece has taught me you NEVER shut up the whine, they just change targets so they can keep the whine alive.
 
iceberg;2093465 said:
do you really expect a roy basher to:
1. allow less than two ROY SUCKS threads on the front page at a time?
2. not misquote for their own warm fuzzies?
3. would move any hated journalist from "most hated" to "smartest" if they slammed roy?
4. stop whining because we all know the more they whine about it the faster they'll get their way.

i'd love for roy to be gone just to shut up the constant whine only experiece has taught me you NEVER shut up the whine, they just change targets so they can keep the whine alive.
:hammer:

This is why I'm so stupendously bored by all the Roy Bashing. They're going to move onto the next target in due time.

Nothing's going to happen here guys and gals. No matter how many out of work "personnel experts" bash him, Roy is going to be our SS this year, and for at least a few more.

Deal with it.
 
theogt;2093200 said:
Gone Hollywood? Refuses to work hard?

Seems like just more uninformed drivel.

you have no clue what you are talking about...when will you understand that this is the real roy? all who are in the know are saying...homers...they never realize it until the player is out of the league! you probably were a quincy homer too! lol....roy is the only weakness on our defense now and you still want him? i would bench him if he cant do it in preseason, play him only on short yardage, special teams...thats pretty much it...
 
There are good posters on each side of this argument.

We ought to just let it go and see how everything plays out.

Won't happen though.
 
AsthmaField;2093489 said:
There are good posters on each side of this argument.

We ought to just let it go and see how everything plays out.

Won't happen though.

i would hug a dozen crippled monkies and buy them all crutches in the process *IF* the whiners on both sides could stop the whining for a week.

but someone will get bored in the media, write a ROY SUCKS article, and someone will come rushing in here to say SEE! I TOLD YOU!!! as if the holy grail of roy-hate has been found.
 
iceberg;2093492 said:
i would hug a dozen crippled monkies and buy them all crutches in the process *IF* the whiners on both sides could stop the whining for a week.

but someone will get bored in the media, write a ROY SUCKS article, and someone will come rushing in here to say SEE! I TOLD YOU!!! as if the holy grail of roy-hate has been found.


*shrugs*

If that's what people want to do, more power to them.

I just get bored quickly with this subject. One that neither side can really win.

Maybe I'm ADHD?
 
When I went to bed at 2 AM, this thread wasn't here. I get up, log on, and notice that it's already four pages long.

Death
Taxes
Excruciating Roy threads
 
theogt;2093433 said:
Perhaps because you did everything to pump it up in order to make it a valuable opinion? The guy may be your hero, but he's not any more informative than the next media person. In fact, that's all he seems to do is quote other media.

I don't think you quite know what a blog is.

A blog is where someone provides their informal insights and comments on news items and happenings, usually with a link to the article about the subject. In this case, he saw an article with former Cowboys coaches quoted as saying Roy isn't fully dedicated and gone "Hollywood", and provided the link. He then provided own insights on how he believes Roy's position is a dinosaur in the NFL, how he personally consulted Roy's agent about the extension, and that if Roy is "Hollywood" that's only going to accelerate his exit from the league.

He also writes his own formal article for SI.com.

So now we have Roy's former coaches calling him lazy, NFL player personnel saying he's a liability, teammates calling him out for distancing himself on the team, current coaches decreasing his playing time and packages and going on record saying they're going to do more of it in the future ... aside from what we're all witnessing with our own two eyes ... nothing to see here, move along.
 
InmanRoshi;2093507 said:
I don't think you quite know what a blog is.

A blog is where someone provides their informal insights and comments on news items and happenings. In this case, he saw an article with former Cowboys coaches referred to Roy as lazy and "Hollywood". He then provided own insights on how he believes Roy's position is a dinosaur in the NFL, how he personally consulted Roy's agent about the extension, and that if Roy is "Hollywood" that's only going to acclerate his exit from the league.

He writes his own formal article for SI.com.
Great. If you want to point to the Galloway article to make a point, then do so. Otherwise, pumping this guy up when he obviously doesn't watch the games and only quotes other sources isn't much of an argument.

So now we have Roy's former coaches calling him lazy, NFL player personnel saying he's a liability, teammates calling him out for distancing himself on the team, current coaches decreasing his playing time and packages, current coaches going on record saying they're going to do more of it in the future ... nothing to see here, move along.
All are misquotes or untruths. But don't let the truth get in your way.
 
bbgun;2093505 said:
Death
Taxes
Excruciating Roy threads

and don't got get

d) bbgun letting everyone know he's above another Roy Williams thread by commenting on another Roy Williams thread.
 
InmanRoshi;2093510 said:
and don't got get

d) bbgun letting everyone know he's above another Roy Williams thread by commenting on another Roy Williams thread.

Forget?
 
superpunk;2093345 said:
I don't feel that his evaluation of where Roy is limited to playing is correct. In fact, I feel that the "second level" is where Roy's game gets exposed the most. Because he does not have good change of direction, if he anticipates wrong, he will get beat badly. Because he is still a tremendous athlete, no matter what people say, he can still make the tackle even when he gets beat like that.

Where Roy excels is in that third level. Where he can roam and use his anticipation to his advantage. Why we elected to use him at that second level in passing situations is beyond me - I think it's a poor fit.

You wonder where the big hits went - he wasn't put in a position to make them, truly. I guess we wanted him there because his presence at the second level instantly improves our run support against spread formations. I really believe, and of course it's just speculation, that if we had played Hamlin at strong and Roy at free, you would have seen identical results. Because what Roy does is track the ball well in the air - not cover short routes that require quick hips and excellent anticipation if you even want to have a prayer of stopping them.

If we keep him down there, we'll continue to see good run defense, I have no doubt of that. But if we do that, I think we can forget about the big hits and interceptions returning. There just aren't that many opportunities to make those plays from the position he's playing. So I would really question just how much of Roy Williams Mr. Lombardi has watched, and broken down. Because if you do watch him, I can't see how you could possibly come to the same conclusion as Mr. Lombardi - unless you're operating under the misguided assumption that Wade plays Roy in the nickel LB role to "protect/hide him".

I actually agree with a lot of this. For years, the push was to get a FS so Roy could spend more time in the box near the LOS, but, like you said, that exposes him in pass coverage. He can't turn and run with TEs, RBs and WRs. He's at his best in deep pass coverage where he has an opportunity to move forward and make a play on the ball.

However, I do think Roy's tackling has fallen off in the last couple of years. It's not even the big hits.....he seems to struggle with solid wrap up tackling.
 

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