Mike Mayock's eval

[btcutter]

Anyone knows how to find what he said about Adrian Peterson last yr?

"In my opinion, he (AD) has Hall of Fame talent," NFL Network scouting expert Mike Mayock said. "There's no downside other than the durability issue."

What he said about Marshawn Lynch:
"When I look at this young man, I see true value. Why? He's special with the ball in his hands, in the pass game or the run game, and he understands pass protection as well as any rookie I've seen in the last 10 years."

Interesting.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Anyone knows how to find what he said about Adrian Peterson last yr?

"In my opinion, he (AD) has Hall of Fame talent," NFL Network scouting expert Mike Mayock said. "There's no downside other than the durability issue."

What he said about Marshawn Lynch:
"When I look at this young man, I see true value. Why? He's special with the ball in his hands, in the pass game or the run game, and he understands pass protection as well as any rookie I've seen in the last 10 years."

Interesting.

But thats a Huge issue with Peterson he's never been able to stay Healthy.

 

[tomson75]

But thats a Huge issue with Peterson he's never been able to stay Healthy.

I think he's trying to point out that Mayock's analysis was dead on for those guys, and that perhaps it is this year too...maybe?

If so, I still think McFadden has loads more talent than anyone in this draft, but he may be right about Mendenhall being the better prospect. Dmac has some issues.

I think he's missing on Rice, however, whom I think is going to be a terrific pro.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

The guy seems to really know how to evaluate talent......we should listen to what he says.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The guy seems to really know how to evaluate talent......we should listen to what he says.

When he broke down the top 5 RB's in this years draft he was very convincing. He had a lot of video to support his statements also. I've always found him to be pretty accurite with his analysis.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Mayock has been very wrong before, too. I followed him in 2005 when I got the NFLN and junked his evals after he was too wrong too many times. I can't remember which ones he was wrong on since it's so long ago, but I just sort of looked at him as a guy giving you an idea of what a scout is thinking instead of treating him as the gospel.

Really, telling me that Adrian Peterson has the chance at being a great player out of college isn't shocking news.




YAKUZA

 

[theebs]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806a7d2e

that is his top 5 backs piece from yesterday.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I like Mayock I think he gives very good anaylsis. I perfer him over Mel Kiper for sure

 

[BigDave95]

Dmac has some issues.

Care to share what those issues are?

 

[Gaede]

That's a really interesting analysis from Mayock.

 

[InmanRoshi]

"In my opinion, he (AD) has Hall of Fame talent," NFL Network scouting expert Mike Mayock said. "There's no downside other than the durability issue."

It's good to know Mayock has a pair of functioning eyeballs. I guess that's why he gets the big bucks.

Please note in my player personnel files I've noticed Carson Palmer has a nice arm, Dwight Freeney has some speed around the edge and Randy Moss is pretty good at running deep routes.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I like Mike but dead on? Come on man. ANYONE could have made the call on AP. I said for his whole 3 years in college that the guy had HOF ability for the NFL but I questioned rather he'd ever make it through a full 16 game season without missing games for injuries.

He's supremely talented but he's got a huge question on durability and even in his rookie year the durability issue reared it's ugly head when he missed a couple games and that was WITHOUT being the workhorse back. He was the back up the whole year and still missed time.

I love AP but the guy's running style, from standing up straight with his running and his punishing style, that he wears his body out a lot.

 

[Iago33]

It's good to know Mayock has a pair of functioning eyeballs. I guess that's why he gets the big bucks.

Please note in my player personnel files I've noticed Carson Palmer has a nice arm, Dwight Freeney has some speed around the edge and Randy Moss is pretty good at running deep routes.

Does he have a functioning pair of eyes? If so, then why doesn't he see the greatness of McFadden?

You're trying to knock the guy for an accurate report, but he doesn't give glowing reports to everyone.

 

[odog422]

Really, telling me that Adrian Peterson has the chance at being a great player out of college isn't shocking news.

It's good to know Mayock has a pair of functioning eyeballs. I guess that's why he gets the big bucks.

Please note in my player personnel files I've noticed Carson Palmer has a nice arm, Dwight Freeney has some speed around the edge and Randy Moss is pretty good at running deep routes.

Respectfully, it seems to me that when people don't agree with an opinion a need comes to oversimplify or try to invalidate it in their comments.

First and foremost, all draft talk is speculation. I mean, how many guys have been talked about as "cant-miss" or "could be great" and have turned out to be journeymen or busts?

I think saying someone has Hall of Fame talent is a pretty strong statement. But given that, who really believed AP would come in and perform the way he did? Maybe you guys thought he would explode the way he did, but I didn't. Do really well? Absolutely. Look like a Hall of Fame back? No.

I think Mayock rubbed a lot of people wrong on this board with his analysis of McFadden so he kind of gets slammed.

For the record, color me another not as overly impressed by McFadden in what I saw of him this year. I don't think Mayock is the Holy Grail by any means, but his analysis seems pretty fair to me.

Rich you said a couple years back he was way off -- ok, I believe you. But what's quoted in this thread seems pretty accurate in terms of analysis. Again, given the fact there are almost no "sure things" in the draft.

His analysis, and I'm thinking of what I heard him say with respect to DTs Dorsey and Ellis, by way of comparison, seems pretty sound. Not another kind of bandwagon guy.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm just stating that if noticing Adrian Peterson is talented makes you a great talent evaluator, I'm friggin Paul Brown. I knew Peterson was going to be a Top 10 pick after I watched his first game as a true freshman at OU. I was on the Peterson bandwagaon last year while everyone else was drooling over Calvin Johnson. I also was saying Lynch was good, while a lot of people were saying he was overrated. And I say Darren McFadden is a special back as well.

So I guess using the Mayock logic ... since I was right about Peterson, then I must be right about McFadden too?

I'd love to hear from Mayock how someone leads the SEC in rushing going up against LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Auburn every week (not to mention playing Southern Cal in non-conference) while "crumpling on first contact". Seems like it would be hard to go untouched so often against those defenses. I guess it's the skinny legs.

 

[odog422]

I'm just stating that if noticing Adrian Peterson is talented makes you a great talent evaluator, I'm friggin Paul Brown. I knew Peterson was going to be a Top 10 pick after I watched his first game as a true freshman at OU. I was on the Peterson bandwagaon last year while everyone else was drooling over Calvin Johnson. I also was saying Lynch was good, while a lot of people were saying he was overrated. And I say Darren McFadden is a special back as well.

So I guess using the Mayock logic ... since I was right about Peterson, then I must be right about McFadden too?

I'd love to hear from Mayock how someone leads the SEC in rushing going up against LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Auburn every week (not to mention playing Southern Cal in non-conference) while "crumpling on first contact". Seems like it would be hard to go untouched so often against those defenses. I guess it's the skinny legs.

I'm pretty sure he would have an answer for you too. Albeit, maybe not one you like, but an answer.

My point is, this guy sat down, watched film and reached a conclusion, based on what he saw on film and what he's seen in terms of backs performing in the NFL. In your opinion, his conclusions are asinine. Doesn't make them wrong though.

As I said, history is filled with tons of high production college guys who did nothing or much more frequently, simply did not live up to the hype, in the pros. Yes, even from the SEC.

Oh...and you may be right about McFadden. No big deal. But what I've seen hasn't impressed. Not anything like Peterson, for example.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm pretty sure he would have an answer for you too. Albeit, maybe not one you like, but an answer.

My point is, this guy sat down, watched film and reached a conclusion, based on what he saw on film and what he's seen in terms of backs performing in the NFL. In your opinion, his conclusions are asinine. Doesn't make them wrong though.

Funny, he watched only three games of his career, though. And I guess one of them was Auburn, a bad game for McFadden, because that's one of the plays he showed on NFLN. I know for a fact that one could find three bad games Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Eric Dickerson had in college, too.

The whole thing is strange. He pumped up Mendenhall when he made a couple of good cuts "Here he sticks his foot in the ground and goes downhill!", but totally brushes off a 70-yard TD run Mcfadden had against LSU -- who only produces tons of NFL talent every year and went on to win the national championship -- and goes right to a play in a different game when he got tackled easily.

 

[odog422]

Funny, he watched only three games of his career, though. And I guess one of them was Auburn, a bad game for McFadden, because that's one of the plays he showed on NFLN. I know for a fact that one could find three bad games Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Eric Dickerson had in college, too.

The whole thing is strange. He pumped up Mendenhall when he made a couple of good cuts "Here he sticks his foot in the ground and goes downhill!", but totally brushes off a 70-yard TD run Mcfadden had against LSU -- who only produces tons of NFL talent every year and went on to win the national championship -- and goes right to a play in a different game when he got tackled easily.

My guess is that after watching he saw a pattern in his style repeated and made a conclusion based on that. Probably the same with Mendenhall. The guy just doesn't strike me as "Kiperish" in trying to make a pronouncement on players as if he's the ultimate evaluator. More like "this is what I've seen" which is fine by me.

As for the tons of NFL talent produced by LSU, absolutely they produce players drafted to the pros. But what is the representative sample? In other words, in their starting 11 on D, how many are good enough that they are going to go start in the NFL? (Marcus Spears anyone?)

My point is, while there may be some NFL talent there, it's not the same as playing in the NFL, which is why the number percentage-wise, is generally not high in the number of outstanding college players who translate to dominant pros.

 

[burmafrd]

Maybe McFadden just has a style and a body type that Mayock does not think will last well in the NFL. Perfectly valid point. And watching 3 games of a player will give you a pretty decent line on him= especially a back that probably carried the ball 25-30 times in each game.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

My guess is that after watching he saw a pattern in his style repeated and made a conclusion based on that. Probably the same with Mendenhall. The guy just doesn't strike me as "Kiperish" in trying to make a pronouncement on players as if he's the ultimate evaluator. More like "this is what I've seen" which is fine by me.

I dunno about that. This is my first year with NFLN, so I don't know about how he was before, but in the Senior Bowl he seemed to have a pretty high opinion of himself and his evaluations. JMO.

As for the tons of NFL talent produced by LSU, absolutely they produce players drafted to the pros. But what is the representative sample? In other words, in their starting 11 on D, how many are good enough that they are going to go start in the NFL? (Marcus Spears anyone?)

My point is, while there may be some NFL talent there, it's not the same as playing in the NFL, which is why the number percentage-wise, is generally not high in the number of outstanding college players who translate to dominant pros.

Not sure what your point is... Of course any NFL team is much better than any college team. No question about that. But level of competiton means something. I think most would agree that it means more to produce against top competition than against, say, Fresno State.