Mike Zimmer

[Chocolate Lab]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.

 

[joseephuss]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.

I have to agree with that. All the young guys are going through a learning process.

 

[smashmouth]

I think he was just tired, Rack. On that next-to-last drive, it looked like our entire D was completely gassed.

That or he's absolutely confused out there. I heard a Dallas radio show with Glover last week, and he strongly hinted that Ware's head was totally spinning at this point. We might not see what he really has until halfway through the season or more.

Why not move him around on the line?

Your players have to be in position to make plays and if you don't put them there, you're cheating yourself and the player.

Now if they noticed him being tired, then sub him out for a series.

It's just inexcusable with all the coaching mistakes we made tonight. The conservative play from the beginning series was pathetic.

We need a trick play to get into the endzone, and when Newman got the interception, we could only move it 8 yards or so.

And Gibbs played the same game in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarter until he was forced to stop being old fashioned.

Go and read the game thread from extremeskins.com, they were bit**ing about Gibbs playcalling, it was identical to Parcells. Yet when Gibbs was forced to open it up, things happened. Well, by the time Parcells had to open it up, it was too late.

 

[Rack]

That's what you have to do with a 250 LBr. You can't consistantly have him going up against a 320 pound tackle most of the 4th quarter, that is stupidity.

He was only playing DE in our nickel, and a couple of times in the 3-4. No excuses.

KGB is a 250 lber that goes up against an offensive tackle EVERY PLAY, but he still manages to get to the QB.

And about Ware's head spinning, in the 3-4 I agree. But when he's a DE in the nickel he has one job to do. So that excuse doesn't fly in that situation. It's all about heart. You have to force the tackle to react to you, instead of trying to react to the tackle. You have to DICTATE what you want to do, or at least have that type of mindset. But Ware was just shadow boxing with the Samuels trying to react to him instead.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Umm don't forget Roy had 1 of those sacks. He played great tonight. Glenn is the goat-

Wrong..Roy had contain ..he was supposed to be behind Moss..Glenn was beat twice but Roy should have been there...very simple.

Roy did play well early but was beat Twice on the exact same play really.

 

[Rack]

Wrong..Roy had contain ..he was supposed to be behind Moss..Glenn was beat twice but Roy should have been there...very simple.

Roy did play well early but was beat Twice on the exact same play really.

Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.

 

[smashmouth]

Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.

So let's trade roy and let Lynn Scott play SS. While we're at it, let's get rid of Ware, and go hunt down Merriman.

 

[Rack]

So let's trade roy and let Lynn Scott play SS. While we're at it, let's get rid of Ware, and go hunt down Merriman.

Wow, you sure like to spin doctor, don't you? I didn't say anything about trading or benching Roy.

When it's ONE defensive player not coming through, it's probably the player. But when it's SEVERAL defensive players not coming through over a course of SEVERAL years, then I'd say the coach should shoulder some of the blame, don't you think?

Shouldn't Zimmer had told Roy to play a little deeper after that 1st TD? I mean they KNEW they had to strike quick cuz they weren't gonna be able to try and long, clock eating drives on us with less then 3 minutes to play. Should the coaches have made an adjustment after the first TD?


Evenso, even without adjustments, a safeties job is to not let anyone get behind you. Roy let it happen twice. He screwed up. His best season ever is still his rookie year. Why is it that the longer players are around Zimmer, the worse they get? There's DEFINITELY a pattern here.

 

[smashmouth]

Wow, you sure like to spin doctor, don't you? I didn't say anything about trading or benching Roy.

When it's ONE defensive player not coming through, it's probably the player. But when it's SEVERAL defensive players not coming through over a course of SEVERAL years, then I'd say the coach should shoulder some of the blame, don't you think?

Shouldn't Zimmer had told Roy to play a little deeper after that 1st TD? I mean they KNEW they had to strike quick cuz they weren't gonna be able to try and long, clock eating drives on us with less then 3 minutes to play. Should the coaches have made an adjustment after the first TD?


Evenso, even without adjustments, a safeties job is to not let anyone get behind you. Roy let it happen twice. He screwed up. His best season ever is still his rookie year. Why is it that the longer players are around Zimmer, the worse they get? There's DEFINITELY a pattern here.

Should Zimmer tell Roy to double team the player? Maybe. Should Zimmer tell Roy to play deep while a slot receiver or TE slide down the short middle for a 16 yard pick up and give up the 1st down?
On 4th down, you have to stop the 1st down 1st. Neither play Roy was doubling up on Moss.

Maybe they should have played double team on Moss, but Moss didn't do jack all game long, so they didn't.

They should have had Newman playing outside CB like he's supposed to be.

 

[Rack]

Should Zimmer tell Roy to double team the player?

Nope.

Should Zimmer tell Roy to play deep while a slot receiver or TE slide down the short middle for a 16 yard pick up and give up the 1st down?

YES! What's worse, please tell me, giving up a FIRST down on 4th and 15 or giving up a TOUCHdown on 4th and 15? Please, do tell. ANd it's not SOLELY the SS's job to stop the underneath routes. We have LBs for that, and they were doing a solid job at that point.

The point is when the defense called has you playing deep coverage, and you see the opposing team's FASTEST WR lined up on your side, then you GET DEEPER. Does Santana Moss going across the middle concern you? That's his BIGGEST weakness. He doesn't like getting hit and therefore doesnt' like going over the middle. What's the route that Moss likes best? What's the route that he is BEST at running? Shouldn't that be the route you're concerned with?

I tell you want, I'd be much more happy with them throwing to Moss over the middle of the field and completing a pass on 4th and 15 then for our FS to be lined up INSIDE the first down marker and giving up a long TD on 4th and 15. Call me crazy, but I just think it's better to NOT give up TDs in that situation. Especially when you have a lead with 4 minutes to go.

 

[Rack]

Maybe they should have played double team on Moss, but Moss didn't do jack all game long, so they didn't.

What Moss had done all game is irrelevant. They have 4 minutes to go, 4th and 15, you're winning by 13 points... Don't you think they should be worried about the Skins going deep? I mean it's not like they had time to dink and dunk on us. They HAD to throw deep. Our D should of been coached to be ready for it. The opposing teams' best WR excels at running deep, they should of been EXPECTING it to happen.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Exactly. Roy had deep help but didn't come through. Twice.

Not to mention the dropped INT that would of won the game.

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...Sheesh

 

[Rack]

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...Sheesh

Especially when you KNOW they're at a point where they're desperate and will have to attempt a few bombs to win the game.

 

[smashmouth]

I am with you on this..Roy was beat twice by being out of position and he is a veteran..Glenn was beat but Roy had contain..NO PASS..it was poor play.

The lesson is for the saftey to be in position and NEVER...I Mean EVER...let a WR behind the CB and Saftey...Sheesh

I'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.

 

[Rack]

I'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.

Really? So, "Coach", Roy is the only one covering people out there? There's no LBs in the middle of the field? Not to mention, by forcing the QB to look ELSEWHERE it buys time even for our sorry pass rush to get to him. Moss was Brunell's FIRST option on both TDs and he never had to look elsewhere.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I'd beat you easy think, all I would have to do is send Moss deep and drag Roy with him, and then hit my 4th receiver coming across deep middle for a 1st down.

Do not understand your reply..but it was clear Glenn was beat but Roy was not in position to contain..end result : 2 tds =14 points=Commanders Win
OUCH!!

 

[smashmouth]

Do not understand your reply..but it was clear Glenn was beat but Roy was not in position to contain..end result : 2 tds =14 points=Commanders Win
OUCH!!

Let me explain it to you like you're a 3 year old then.

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player, and it's 4th and 14, and I send a receiver to pretend he's going to do a 16 route to stall the SS, I will beat you every time.

Now if I look across the defense and it's 4th and 14, and I see Newman over there on Moss, I know I can't go deep.

So I try to go to the middle of the field, and that's what RW was covering on both plays.

Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver.

 

[Rack]

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player

It doesn't matter if the aging player was on him, he had deep help and he KNEW it. Roy didn't do his job.

Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver

NObody said Roy was "Doubling" Moss. He didn't HAVE to double Moss. He only had to play Deep safety (which was his responsibility on BOTH plays) and we win the game. Period.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Let me explain it to you like you're a 3 year old then.

If I see you put an aging slower player on my younger faster player, and it's 4th and 14, and I send a receiver to pretend he's going to do a 16 route to stall the SS, I will beat you every time.

Now if I look across the defense and it's 4th and 14, and I see Newman over there on Moss, I know I can't go deep.

So I try to go to the middle of the field, and that's what RW was covering on both plays.

Now if they were going to play Glenn on the outside, then they should have had RW double up on Moss, but they didn't. I know they didn't because RW never moved towards the receiver from the beginning, and that's what you do when you're doubling up a receiver.

First, you're a moron

Second, Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first play and could not get back into position to contain. ROY HAD CONTAIN..DO WE NEED TO DRAW YOU A PICTURE!!!

Simple..he lacked proper recognition..it is Roy's Job to stay behind the Receiver..End of discussion.

Third, Roy makes the same mistake on the next play.

Fourth, you're still a moron.

 

[Rack]

First, you're a moron

Second, Roy bit on the wrong receiver on the first play and could not get back into position to contain.

Simple..he lacked proper recognition..it is Roy's Job to stay behind the Receiver..End of discussion.

Third, Roy makes the mistake on the next play.

End of discussion moron!!

Agreed 100%. With your ENTIRE post.