Millenials killed the music industry?

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taken from a cowboys related thread and not wanting to derail it further.

for reference here is the article that to me, reeked of entitlement.

http://elitedaily.com/music/how-one-generation-was-able-to-kill-the-music-industry/593411/

now to be fair, i also found this one that talked about it from another minne.

http://liveforlivemusic.com/news/is-our-generation-really-killing-the-music-industry/

and her points are at least to me, more correct.

my main points about the article and why i feel the way i do about it.

1. it says how THEIR attention is worthy of sponsors to go after so the sponsors should pay for their right to listen to the music. this is not an assumption or me reading into things. the writer flat says "we will not buy your music". really? you're not going to buy something yet you expect others, for your attention, to buy it for you. how this is not entitlement is beyond me, but ok.

2. slam the musician, go ahead. they are saying all you need to be a musician is a computer and some software. they even have the good grace to tell them a few plugins will be wunderbar. but that's it. never mentioned talent. dedication. work. spending their own money out the *** to get that computer, guitars, pedals, amps, and continued supplies. nah, just a computer and software and you are a major label. in my 15+ years of doing internet radio i can promise you there's a crapton of **** out there done this way that sounds like hammered moose caca, so maybe, just maybe, there's more to it as there is also some incredible stuff. but that's a ton of work they gloss over so easily in a rush to come to their own conclusions. no real respect for music and that is echo'd through the article.

3. they killed the industry. really? the industries business model was dead when the first MP3 went online and joined pornography as downloads in the night. their having a phone and going "hey bobby listen to this!!!" is something new to them, but not to anyone older. not a slam on them, just a fact of life. but napster was sharing music long before cell phones. peer to peer was doing it and the RIAA was fighting at the time a seriously losing battle. technology killed it, not their use of technology a decade or more later. to say otherwise, to me, is self serving. aka, millennial.

4. this is the age of discovery. the more i think about this the more i do not disagree. the breaking down of the barriers did in fact make only the serious stick with it and they go online looking for people to find them. losing the RIAA's model while was a fun and glorious time to be sure to kill the bad guy, however, they did go find the music, fund it, record it, sell it, and eventually pay the artists. fyi - the average HOT SELLING artist got around $1.19 or so a sale per cd. from memory so look it up if you want the exact figure. sure the RIAA was a cash cow but people *had* to have music brought to them because there was not a way to go to the artist except via concerts and buying the tape or one day, cd at walmart or being clever and joining colombia house for 3 years.

yes that model is forever gone with all the bad that came with it but there was good also. some incredible music came from the 70s and 80s and into the 90s funded by this route. when sales dropped, so did their ability to go find artists and put them in the sales channel they were able to create. now you *do* have to go discover music and that can make it an age of discovery. it's also an opportunity for someone to eventually figure out a new model that will pay the artist (something the writer of article 1 didn't seem to want to do, just consume (which is a valid position to be in but hardly one of power) provide opportunity for the artists to be heard and get said attention, and ensure there is a platform for that music. it will one day happen.

but not by some kid on a phone going "hey listen to this!". while i find no harm or crime in that as this is the way music is presented today, i do find harm in the "will not pay" attitude as i do view that to be one of the huge areas where millennials are critiqued and this article is kinda an example of all the reasons why they do get slammed.

the 2nd article i can view and understand a lot better. this, to me, is a more realistic way of seeings things from an objective standpoint, not a "WE are making this happen!" one. the only thing i find funny from the 2nd article is the reference to the lennon quote where he said music should be free and blamed the publishers for making people pay.

man was worth around $800 million so sure, he can do such things but if he gave it away from the start who knows where the band would have gone or if done anywhere near as well.

but that's another story. :)
 

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When you refer to Millennials, are you referring to the age group that thinks they are wine and beer connoisseurs? You know, experts in vintage wine and micro brews?
 

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When you refer to Millennials, are you referring to the age group that thinks they are wine and beer connoisseurs? You know, experts in vintage wine and micro brews?

beats me. i guess i'm referring to the kid that wrote this and people saying it's a millennial. i looked up the term this am and it's something about mid-80s to 2000 or so for when they were born is considered "Millennial". experts in those things exist in all age groups from what i've seen. :)

i honestly just "learned" of the official term when i read that article and someone else had the same opinion i did about "wow, entitlement" and they said it was a great example of all the things people give "millennials" a hard time about.

whatever segment the writer is in - he's full of **** to think his generation w/a cell phone killed the music industry. i would agree they are more on the age of discovery for what is next and we are kinda in the inbetween, but their ability to drive the change isn't as great as he states.

especially if they state they won't buy anything.
 

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The music industry was way behind the curve in adapting to the Internet age. iTunes proved a long time ago that people will pay for music, on their terms. That, combined with a downward trend in overall quality has killed the music industry.

Also, the gross over commercialization of music is a relatively new creation, considering that we have been playing music since the dawn of humanity.
 

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It's a flooded marketplace. Music is everywhere, it's all about word of mouth and promotion these days. Nothing is dictated by radio. That and the music industry unable to come up with a way to combat piracy ran labels out of business.

Subscription services, at least for now, are the way of the future. Spotify is a good example. Instead of paying a dollar for every tune you'd like to own, you get that song and more with a monthly fee. I wouldn't be surprised if this is where most entertainment leads in the future.
 

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A lot of things killed the music industry. I would think technology being the main one.

Music used to be more about the experience of a band or a singer where you go thru the journey of their career and the diehard fans would get to know (and love) the songs that were not mainstream hits. For instance, the first time I heard Metallica it was thru a friend of mine and it was a great discovery as music was fully into the hair band stage and Metallica was anything but a hair band. Then I would buy their new albums the first day it came out. In fact, I had a friend that worked at a music store and he was allowed to give out a handful of tapes to his friends/family for free and I was able to get the And Justice For All... album right off shipping truck. And it was a 'thing' to get the album when it first came out, listen to it and have already listened to the entire album before that evening so you could talk to people who also had already heard the album.

Then Metallica changed over time to a very heavy metal sound to more of a hybrid hard rock/metal sound with the Black album and then to more hard rock with Load.

Or even somebody like Nas who made one of the very best debut hip hop albums in Illmatic and then sort of drifted away in terms of quality of albums before coming out with Stillmatic seven years later and it was like a re-birth in his career.

I do think the lack of MTV videos has hurt the industry as well. Music videos helped shape a way to think about a song and it brought forth a ton of hype for music. The hit song of a new album from an artist would be hyped for days and then come out before the album hit the stores. People would pay close attention to when the video would come on the air and listen to it and decide whether they liked it or not. If they did, it was a mad rush to the record store when the album came out later.

We really have none of that these days. You can't physically hold an mp3 like you can vinyl, CD or cassette tape. Albums are kind of non-existent as well as videos. MTV used to make music important. Now, it's an afterthought.

There is a problem with too many musical artists. Now anybody with auto-tune that looks good can become a musician. And it's more about catchy tunes that people can dance to, so everything is now homogenous. I really couldn't imagine my generation making a show like American Idol a top-rated hit. They just would not care enough about the music to pay it any attention.

I think millenials have ruined many things, but I think they are only slightly to blame for music industry being what it is today.







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the music industry isn't dead or even close.

youtube and soundcloud have just given new artists a chance to be heard.
record labels make less money than before but still control the majority of it.
 

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The music industry is thriving more than it ever has before, the definition of "industry" has just shifted a bit.

Record labels now aren't responsible for artists getting their music out there, as the internet allows them to do that themselves. The bigger companies might be hurting but that's what they get for A) screwing over artists and bands for decades B) being painfully slow to adapt to and embrace the internet and C) failing to support unique artists and putting out the drivel that they do today.

There is more music and collaboration out there than ever before. The difference is that the same people aren't getting rich off of it.
 

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Technology killed what we use to know as the music industry. Don't blame millennials. They will have their share of blame for killing lots of things but the music industry isn't one of them.
 

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Technology killed what we use to know as the music industry. Don't blame millennials. They will have their share of blame for killing lots of things but the music industry isn't one of them.

didn't blame anyone. I said this kid was taking credit for it n that was ********. :)
 

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When you refer to Millennials, are you referring to the age group that thinks they are wine and beer connoisseurs? You know, experts in vintage wine and micro brews?

There aren't many Millennials that are wine connoisseurs. The craft brews seem to be more popular with the Millennials. Though wine people come from all generations, wine connoisseurs population grows in generational groups the older the group gets.
 

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The music industry was way behind the curve in adapting to the Internet age. iTunes proved a long time ago that people will pay for music, on their terms. That, combined with a downward trend in overall quality has killed the music industry.

Also, the gross over commercialization of music is a relatively new creation, considering that we have been playing music since the dawn of humanity.

They weren't even behind the curve. They saw the curve coming and decided to keep going straight, right into the wall.

I completely disagree, however, that the quality of music has gone down. There is plenty of good music out there, people are just lazy about finding it and the mechanisms for shoving the bad stuff in your face has become very sophisticated - that's before even getting into the fact that those mechanisms aren't powered by millennial's, they are powered by the parents of millennial's, who also happen to be members of the same group who keep complaining about how bad music has gotten.
 

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The name of the thread implies millennials may have killed the music industry.

did you read the headline of the story? i put a ? on it cause i disagree with the headline.

geez people.
 

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Personally, I blame you for everything. Including those Oregon people needing snacks.

you mean they had all this planned out and forgot the snacks???? some plans just fail under pressure.
 

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They weren't even behind the curve. They saw the curve coming and decided to keep going straight, right into the wall.

I completely disagree, however, that the quality of music has gone down. There is plenty of good music out there, people are just lazy about finding it and the mechanisms for shoving the bad stuff in your face has become very sophisticated - that's before even getting into the fact that those mechanisms aren't powered by millennial's, they are powered by the parents of millennial's, who also happen to be members of the same group who keep complaining about how bad music has gotten.

heh, though not a parent, i am in *that* age category. i miss the music of the 80s at times but i don't think it would be the same again. i'm not the same. hell there's only so much def leppard you can hear again and again before you just go deaf to it.

and i agree. the music isn't as "structured" as it was in the 80s and 90s when you had specific "sounds" that everyone tried to mimic. thank god that is over. but running my own inet radio station for 15 years you hear a lot of great and varied stuff. i still like my general "rock" core but the sound is a lot more varied and you DO have to go hunt it down now. the RIAA was the vehicle that took it from garage to your stereo so yea, there was a cost to have them find it for you. that is dead and gone and the "age of discovery" is more you HAVE to go look to find it. that's why i can agree sharing to get people to hear good music is great but you can't run around with the attitude that it should be free.

not in my mind. i've seen too many damn good bands fail because as one writer told me - he'd hear people say I LOVE YOUR MUSIC AND LISTEN ALL THE TIME! and he'd say "thanks for buying it!" and get of TON of guilty blank looks.

so they had to quit. one person in particular i've talked to about their travels is the new lead singer for hinder. knew him when he was in faktion and worked a TON with that band when they got signed by Roadrunner and went on tour.

the struggle is very real and yea, i suppose i did find it insulting to minimize the craft by a simple "computer and some software" because while you can do that "to start" he kinda left out the sound room and expensive extras that go into creating a solid sound. follow that up with "we will not buy your music" i did find that arrogant as **** and a direct offense to every musician i've had the pleasure of working with.

anyway - just a topic of convo and some great viewpoints so thanks guys.
 

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heh, though not a parent, i am in *that* age category. i miss the music of the 80s at times but i don't think it would be the same again. i'm not the same. hell there's only so much def leppard you can hear again and again before you just go deaf to it.

and i agree. the music isn't as "structured" as it was in the 80s and 90s when you had specific "sounds" that everyone tried to mimic. thank god that is over. but running my own inet radio station for 15 years you hear a lot of great and varied stuff. i still like my general "rock" core but the sound is a lot more varied and you DO have to go hunt it down now. the RIAA was the vehicle that took it from garage to your stereo so yea, there was a cost to have them find it for you. that is dead and gone and the "age of discovery" is more you HAVE to go look to find it. that's why i can agree sharing to get people to hear good music is great but you can't run around with the attitude that it should be free.

not in my mind. i've seen too many damn good bands fail because as one writer told me - he'd hear people say I LOVE YOUR MUSIC AND LISTEN ALL THE TIME! and he'd say "thanks for buying it!" and get of TON of guilty blank looks.

so they had to quit. one person in particular i've talked to about their travels is the new lead singer for hinder. knew him when he was in faktion and worked a TON with that band when they got signed by Roadrunner and went on tour.

the struggle is very real and yea, i suppose i did find it insulting to minimize the craft by a simple "computer and some software" because while you can do that "to start" he kinda left out the sound room and expensive extras that go into creating a solid sound. follow that up with "we will not buy your music" i did find that arrogant as **** and a direct offense to every musician i've had the pleasure of working with.

anyway - just a topic of convo and some great viewpoints so thanks guys.

Funny thing was that in the 80's people were saying that the music was dead and the industry killed it because there was not enough great bands out there like in the 70's due to the MTV and music videos being selective about how the members of the bands looked instead of how good of musicians they were.

In the 90's people were saying that metal was dead because grunge took over for a short time.

In the 2000's people (and some today) say that rock is dead because Rap has taken over.

Every decade or so says that music is dead because they liked the music before and not the newer music or newer trends in music.

With that said...I am not arguing with YOU over this topic nor really addressing your original topic. I happen to agree with your premise that the entitlement of todays youth that they should not have to pay for anything is out of control. I downloaded my share of free music over the years and I also have bought more than my share of music (records, cassettes, cds and mp3s). Now...I had bought metallica on cassette (a couple of the same albums) then on CD and if they got wore out, scratched or stolen...I would download them for free...until they cracked down on that (evil grin) but I felt that I had already paid for that music at least two times and did not feel like it was stealing at that point so I justified that even though I knew it was wrong.

At one time I could never envision myself paying for MP3s.

Now I do it quite often through Google play.

Times change...I know at the beginning of the CD change I did not see why I needed to change from cassette to CD...but it was hard to deny the sound quality difference after some time...which is why it took me longer to warm up to the idea of buying/paying for MP3s because they are a lower sound quality.

Ok...now I am rambling incoherently so I will stop lol
 
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