Millenials killed the music industry?

[JoeKing]

did you read the headline of the story? i put a ? on it cause i disagree with the headline.

geez people.

Did you read my post? I put a "may" in it because of the "?" that you put on the headline.

Geez OP

 

[iceberg]

Funny thing was that in the 80's people were saying that the music was dead and the industry killed it because there was not enough great bands out there like in the 70's due to the MTV and music videos being selective about how the members of the bands looked instead of how good of musicians they were.

In the 90's people were saying that metal was dead because grunge took over for a short time.

In the 2000's people (and some today) say that rock is dead because Rap has taken over.

Every decade or so says that music is dead because they liked the music before and not the newer music or newer trends in music.

With that said...I am not arguing with YOU over this topic nor really addressing your original topic. I happen to agree with your premise that the entitlement of todays youth that they should not have to pay for anything is out of control. I downloaded my share of free music over the years and I also have bought more than my share of music (records, cassettes, cds and mp3s). Now...I had bought metallica on cassette (a couple of the same albums) then on CD and if they got wore out, scratched or stolen...I would download them for free...until they cracked down on that (evil grin) but I felt that I had already paid for that music at least two times and did not feel like it was stealing at that point so I justified that even though I knew it was wrong.

At one time I could never envision myself paying for MP3s.

Now I do it quite often through Google play.

Times change...I know at the beginning of the CD change I did not see why I needed to change from cassette to CD...but it was hard to deny the sound quality difference after some time...which is why it took me longer to warm up to the idea of buying/paying for MP3s because they are a lower sound quality.

Ok...now I am rambling incoherently so I will stop lol

yea, hard to see when things are changing for me or for the world. or both at times.

i ripped much of my cd collection and then when i was tired of them taking up space, i made my brother, who wanted them all, do it again for me. but like you, i had no issue downloading music i already owned, just saved me the trouble.

today itunes get a lot of my $ but i'm going to look at other venues. i'd likely just subscribe to a service and be done w/it but i need the physical copies of a lot of stuff i want for my station. i pay for it when i need to or ask the bands when i can for copies if they wish to be heard there - but i just try to be fair to the artist. always have and always will.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

In the 90's people were saying that metal was dead because grunge took over for a short time.

I remember thinking that finally (and thankfully), grunge was taking over hair bands and that the days of the hair bands were dead. I don't consider hair bands to be 'metal', they were more 'hard rock' at best. But with grunge we were getting back to more of what was heard in the 70's and more importantly, it was getting mainstream radio play unlike most 70's hard rock bands.

Heavy metal is pretty much stuck with what it is...a small niche market that never really will die, but will never really sniff mainstream. In the 90's, it probably came close to mainstream with Metallica, Pantera and Megadeth. But that was short lived and Metallica basically became hard rock in order to stay mainstream.

The 80's was filled with New Wavers and R&B as the mainstream until hair bands basically took hard rock from the 60's and 70's, spliced it with David Bowie's glam rock and corporatized the lyrics. In the first half of the 80's there were not many rock bands that were developed and that had any staying power. In the 2nd half the hair bands became popular, but they had the same issue I see with hip hop today...everybody sounds the same. And you can't decipher the talented artists from the no-talent hacks.

The only thing that has amazed me is that millenials have never grown tired of this. People from the hair band generation still like those hair bands when they hear them on the radio, but they did move on from them pretty quickly.






YR

 

[Future]

they had the same issue I see with hip hop today...everybody sounds the same. And you can't decipher the talented artists from the no-talent hacks.

The only thing that has amazed me is that millenials have never grown tired of this. People from the hair band generation still like those hair bands when they hear them on the radio, but they did move on from them pretty quickly.

You can absolutely tell the talented ones from the hacks, especially in hip hop.

Millenials have never grown tired of what? The fact that artists on the radio sound the same? Because I would seriously disagree with that.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You can absolutely tell the talented ones from the hacks, especially in hip hop.

Millenials have never grown tired of what? The fact that artists on the radio sound the same? Because I would seriously disagree with that.

If you're a discerning listener, you can tell the hacks from the talented ones. But, the mass public buys the hacks work as much, if not more, that the talented artists' work. And that translates to much more mainstream play. And what happens is that the talented artists start to copy the hacks work and style because that is what sells and it stifles creativity.






YR

 

[Future]

If you're a discerning listener, you can tell the hacks from the talented ones. But, the mass public buys the hacks work as much, if not more, that the talented artists' work. And that translates to much more mainstream play. And what happens is that the talented artists start to copy the hacks work and style because that is what sells and it stifles creativity.

Yea, but that's not exclusive to millenials.

And I think it's pretty exaggerated anyways. What you hear on the radio isn't always totally representative of an artist.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

When you refer to Millennials, are you referring to the age group that thinks they are wine and beer connoisseurs? You know, experts in vintage wine and micro brews and everything else ?

FIFY

 

[Hoofbite]

It's not he millennials who are sitting back making money hand over fist as they pimp out music to any and every bidder.

The music isn't great and the skill isn't necessarily always evident in the product, but lets not pretend like the decision to commercialize every new beat is made by these young adolescents.

 

[iceberg]

It's not he millennials who are sitting back making money hand over fist as they pimp out music to any and every bidder.

The music isn't great and the skill isn't necessarily always evident in the product, but lets not pretend like the decision to commercialize every new beat is made by these young adolescents.

to be honest, i am lost. from your post it *sounds* like you're saying the "people in charge" are making money and the mill---those kids - have nothing to do with it.

of which i'd not completely disagree.

i do agree that their attention is very sought after. i would LOVE to get their attention for my own i-net radio station to have them share music socially and get more people to listen so i can help push music everyone involved in renegade to loves also. this is how we then tell people we're "valued" to make more people want to have us play their music because we've developed that channel of listeners. we can also then charge advertisers for the hits to the page because that's how you sell advertising. traffic.

sharing.

their attention is in fact gold on the internet. i do not disagree with the kid at all to this point.

where i go "haha kid, nice try" is when they say they won't buy anything. that's like taking a domino out of the chain and stopping the flow. advertisers in time will not see results from their advertising and simple "hits" will no longer have value because people are going to say "well someone else will buy something and that will take care of "the greedy man".

if that's not entitlement i'm not exactly sure what is. that is also breaking the model in play NOT by the music industry but by the internet in general where ads pay for everything so we can surf for free - just ... click here!!! (thanks google ya *****). that's why you see click bait articles and the YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE HER REACTION!!! crap all over the place. hits and attention are $$$ *to the website*. but again, don't buy something from people paying for that traffic things will collapse and hits lose value and another revenue model will have to be found.

this kid should say that with me. "another revenue model will have to be found". he seems to think their "attention" is the revenue and it is - to a point. when you openly say you will not buy something, your attention is useless.

anyway - some good points all around.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I remember thinking that finally (and thankfully), grunge was taking over hair bands and that the days of the hair bands were dead. I don't consider hair bands to be 'metal', they were more 'hard rock' at best. But with grunge we were getting back to more of what was heard in the 70's and more importantly, it was getting mainstream radio play unlike most 70's hard rock bands.

Heavy metal is pretty much stuck with what it is...a small niche market that never really will die, but will never really sniff mainstream. In the 90's, it probably came close to mainstream with Metallica, Pantera and Megadeth. But that was short lived and Metallica basically became hard rock in order to stay mainstream.

The 80's was filled with New Wavers and R&B as the mainstream until hair bands basically took hard rock from the 60's and 70's, spliced it with David Bowie's glam rock and corporatized the lyrics. In the first half of the 80's there were not many rock bands that were developed and that had any staying power. In the 2nd half the hair bands became popular, but they had the same issue I see with hip hop today...everybody sounds the same. And you can't decipher the talented artists from the no-talent hacks.

The only thing that has amazed me is that millenials have never grown tired of this. People from the hair band generation still like those hair bands when they hear them on the radio, but they did move on from them pretty quickly.YR

I agree... Most ... No all of the hair bands were not metal. Quiet Riot was the shot out of the cannon that started that hit parade. (Like giving Cowboys moniker "Americans team".... Quiet Riot was dubbed a metal band by media... Mtv etc.)

On November 26, 1983 Quiet Riot became the first heavy metal band to have a top 5 hit and No. 1 album in the same week

Metal Health (Bang your head)
Dubrow screaming.

I consider Metallica to be heavy metal... But are they Really?
Is thrash metal really need heavy metal?

I consider SEETHER to be heavy metal but they are listed as post-grunge, alt metal and hard rock

 

[Reality]

What killed the music industry was their desperate need to maintain full control over everything. They fought non-stop to keep complete control even when it started hurting them. They fought technology and technology (not people) turned on them and the battle was lost. Ever since, RIAA has been playing catch-up and if it were not for Apple's iTunes saving them by giving them a few years to recollect themselves and formulate a new business strategy, they would have been screwed. The internet did something that the RIAA feared most and that was put control in the hands of the consumer. When the industry wouldn't listen to the consumers, the consumers found alternative methods (peer-to-peer sharing for example) of getting their music.

The bottom line is the internet killed the music industry, not millennials.