News: Miller: Cowboys LB Bruce Carter on Why He Struggled in 2013

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Using the scheme as an excuse for not getting off blocks or being able to cover? Really? Come on man.

Once you see people start talking about 'excuses.' you have moved from analysis into the blame game. I have no interest in that paradigm. I get that you are mad and looking for people to blame.

Yes I do think that no longer having an OLB wide of him changed the reads he had to make. I also think that Hayden's in ability to draw double teams allowed extra blockers.

You act like he never got off blocks. I get that you are butthurt about losing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just chiming in here, I do think that the scheme we are running has a LOT more keys than our previous defenses. Ryan's defense was difficult because you had to know your responsibility in the scheme, the 4-3 Under is just as complicated but for the different reason of having to understand what each reaction is based on what the offense shows. I think that definitely slowed Carter down in his play.

That is fair.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not in this case. His "explanations" about his biggest weaknesses are fundamentals of every scheme. Things three years in he should be adequate at by now.

He was speaking generally, and sorry but The OLB in a 3-4 make the assignments fundamentally different. Your assertion that 'they are all the same' is garbage.

Explain Lee screwing up his zones and other 'fundamentals' early last season.

 

[visionary]

lol you don't even know what a cop out is. me saying yes there is blame to be found all the way at the top is not a cop out. OTOH, copping to 'contract year' to explain any positive outcome is the epitome of a copout.

Lol, the 'cop out' is saying "if he does not improve you move up the chain" when you know full well he will "improve" because it is his contract year (like I had said)

I would brush up on my English if I were you

And keep finding those excuses for mediocrity

 

[visionary]

Once you see people start talking about 'excuses.' you have moved from analysis into the blame game.
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You just slay with your "analysis" crap
Can you share your credentials for said analysis? Are you an NFL scout ?
Your "analysis" is basically your opinion and has very little value in objective terms

I still miss the days when would "analyze" the OL and tell us his good costa and Arkin and kowalski were

 

[Clove]

I said last offseason before we had switched to Kiffin's 43 that I would move Church to WOLB. I think he'd be very, very good there. He would go from being one of the slower players at his position (safety) to one of the fastest LB's in the league. Not just that though. The guy has great instincts, toughness and is a tackling machine.

If Dallas has two viable players at safety, I would hope that they made that move. He's as big as some of the guys in this year's draft that will be picked as OLB. He would be all over the place, and he'd be great in coverage.

I still think it would be a very good move.

I somewhat agree with this, the guy can flat out tackle and has great instincts for the person with the ball, not necessarily running in space. Also, I can accept that Carter struggled moving from 3-4 to 4-3, I know we'd all like for everyone to just switch philosophies and just be great at it, but sometimes it just takes time. I expect him to do a lot better this season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just slay with your "analysis" crap
Can you share your credentials for said analysis? Are you an NFL scout ?
Your "analysis" is basically your opinion and has very little value in objective terms

I still miss the days when would "analyze" the OL and tell us his good costa and Arkin and kowalski were

If I read as if I am competent then great but I never appeal to any supposed authority that I have. Frankly, what you write here reads as whining because you cannot come up with a response to specifics I state. Argue the points or go away.

I never said Arkin was good. I said he was weak and struggled to anchor but that he didn't miss any assignments. With Costa I said that he was inconsistent and ranged from very good to very bad. I had hoped that he could develop some consistency. He never did. Oh well.

One thing I like about football and sports in general is player development. I look forward to seeing guys get better and sure I skew my views that way a bit. What I don't do is wallow in failure and cry about it incessantly.

Analysis does not imply professionalism. It speaks to an approach. Rational, empirical, and the like. You are being quite emotional and that is about it. I will contrast that with what I am doing.

When I say that the Tampa 2 is designed to draw a double team accounting for all 5 OL. That is an objective truth. Kiffin's playbooks are floating around the internet and you can see for yourself. We can watch the games and see that Hayden was single blocked most games. It is what it is.

A 3-4 defense has an OLB wide on the line who has pass defense duties. That is a different look then a 4-3 where the will has no one outside of him. This is a rational construct that anyone with any football experience can imagine. It is what it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol, the 'cop out' is saying "if he does not improve you move up the chain" when you know full well he will "improve" because it is his contract year (like I had said)

I would brush up on my English if I were you

And keep finding those excuses for mediocrity

A cop out is an easy excuse. A singular easy scapegoat. Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones are examples of this.

I don't do that. I say I would look to his position coaches but if it continues it speaks of a systemic issue and needs to be broadened in scope.

That is not a copout. That is looking in an array of places for cause.

Try harder. You are failing badly.

 

[Frosty]

That I don't agree with. But it makes little difference to me. He's got to fix it, or lose his job. If he thinks the issue was scheme and is addressing that instead of working on fundamentals as you suggest, I hope he's right and you're wrong.

Gil Brandt discussed Bruce Carter and the Cowboys LBers today on Sirrius NFL. Stated he does not think Bruce Carter heart is in football. Good player with skills but just didn't think he cares for the game...speculated he is playing purely monetary reason...and thought Ryan Shazier had a non-stop motor who loves the game is a better fit for the Cowboys Defense. Thought Brandts comments about Bruce Carter were in line with his play in 2013.....makes you wonder if he is business man....more than a player.

 

[RS12]

Once you see people start talking about 'excuses.' you have moved from analysis into the blame game. I have no interest in that paradigm. I get that you are mad and looking for people to blame.

Yes I do think that no longer having an OLB wide of him changed the reads he had to make. I also think that Hayden's in ability to draw double teams allowed extra blockers.

You act like he never got off blocks. I get that you are butthurt about losing.

LOL! What? Yah, I'm sure once Hayden gets replaced Carter will no longer be velcrowed to opposing linemen and no longer make Danny Woodhead look like Paul Warfield. I get that you are bored and want to brawl. I got my opinions and you got yours. We'll leave it at that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL! What? Yah, I'm sure once Hayden gets replaced Carter will no longer be velcrowed to opposing linemen and no longer make Danny Woodhead look like Paul Warfield. I get that you are bored and want to brawl. I got my opinions and you got yours. We'll leave it at that.

No, I have observations and you have hyperbole. We are both entitled to our opinions but what is in question is the foundation of said opinions. Paul Warfield comparisons are the depth of your analysis.

Carter had inside leverage on both throws and was running step for step with Woodhead. That is an objective fact.

The problem is that it was single coverage and single coverage no matter how good can be exploited. Rivers made too excellent throws to the outside and deep such that Woodhead was led under the ball to his outside shoulder.

Now Carter in theory could have tried to make a play on the ball but that would have entailed turning around, tracking it and trying to high point it like Lebron James going skyward for a rebound. It didn't happen.

I realize now that you would rather bash a Cowboy than give credit to a job well done by the opponent. The proper comparison wasn't Woodhead but rather one to the QB makign that throw. Rivers was making throws like Warner used to while winning MVPs back during the greatest show on turf days. That kind of touch on a pass 35 yards downfield is impressive.

 

[Floatyworm]

In going back and watching some of his game tape from last year, he looks like he really doesn't want to be out there.

Its one thing to be confused by the scheme, it another thing to give minimal effort and just go through the motions.

I hope he turns it around this year because if he doesn't it will be his last in Big D.

Exactly.......If a guy is going 1000mph ...and making mistakes....That's one thing. But to not give a crap......that completely unacceptable. Trade him while you can.

 

[Floatyworm]

Once you see people start talking about 'excuses.' you have moved from analysis into the blame game. I have no interest in that paradigm. I get that you are mad and looking for people to blame.

Yes I do think that no longer having an OLB wide of him changed the reads he had to make. I also think that Hayden's in ability to draw double teams allowed extra blockers.

You act like he never got off blocks. I get that you are butthurt about losing.

Seriously?????? Your making excuses for Bruce Carter???? I'm an over weight 45 year old white guy that would have made more plays than he did vs the Eagles week 17.

That was the saddest performance I've seen out of a LBer....maybe ever. Scheme had nothing to do with it. He ducked more tackles than Mike Jenkins....and that is saying something for a LBer.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seriously?????? Your making excuses for Bruce Carter???? I'm an over weight 45 year old white guy that would have made more plays than he did vs the Eagles week 17.

That was the saddest performance I've seen out of a LBer....maybe ever. Scheme had nothing to do with it. He ducked more tackles than Mike Jenkins....and that is saying something for a LBer.

Generalizations once again. As bad as he was supposedly, you would think that more specific examples would be brought forth but no. We get more hyperbolic comparisons and snark.

I think I am going to rewatch that game and look for specifics so a legitimate discussion can take place.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seriously?????? Your making excuses for Bruce Carter???? I'm an over weight 45 year old white guy that would have made more plays than he did vs the Eagles week 17.

That was the saddest performance I've seen out of a LBer....maybe ever. Scheme had nothing to do with it. He ducked more tackles than Mike Jenkins....and that is saying something for a LBer.

I would also point out that you are the one characterizing things as excuses and the like. That is you being emotional and frankly megalomanical. Bruce Carter doesn't have to excuse anything to anyone at this message board. If you want to be mad, quit on him and that be your paradigm then fine but that is not me and I will not look on it as such.

If you want to argue the point fine but otherwise I will ignore that train of thought aside from pointing it out.

 

[Floatyworm]

Generalizations once again. As bad as he was supposedly, you would think that more specific examples would be brought forth but no. We get more hyperbolic comparisons and snark.

I think I am going to rewatch that game and look for specifics so a legitimate discussion can take place.

How can you be specific when he sucked and mailed in the entire game?????? You might want to watch the game before you spout off again....because defending a POS performance just makes you look like......well....It makes you look like Bruce Carter mailing in week 17 vs the Eagles

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How can you be specific when he sucked and mailed in the entire game?????? You might want to watch the game before you spout off again....because defending a POS performance just makes you look like......well....It makes you look like Bruce Carter mailing in week 17 vs the Eagles

I am watching the game right now and the second play from scrimmage is the first run of the game and Hayden is single blocked with both guard getting free releases on LB. The rest of the first drive didn't see him playing as your hyperbole claims he kept gap discipline just fine. No passes were completed in his zone. Two were completed in Holloman's zone. Ffwding now.

Second drive saw him rush and get nowhere. First run sees him stand up the guard pulling and Selvie tackles. Quick close out for short gain on 2nd down well played keeping it in front of him. Jeff Heath sucks allowing long completion. On first down the guards ignore the NT and seek and destroy Holloman and Carter. It's becoming a trend. Next play Carter blitzes up the middle and forces Foles to intentionally ground the ball. Poor pass rush makes up the difference the next play with completion not in Carter's zone. Heath gives up a long completion again. TD to the strongside flat. Again not Carter.

I am beginning to think you don't know what you are watching but lets go onto the third drive. Ffwding.

A nice 3 and out doesn't help. 1st play he gets off his block, another free releasing guard, and makes the tackle. Ware TFL. Carter rushes spins inside and forces Foles into the DT. Good coverage downfield. Punt.

I am wondering where this huge liability is. Holloman and Heath are who the Eagles have been picking on so far. One more drive.

Escobar dives in and the Cowboys kick away. Middle zone for Carter short throw to Jackson in space. Carter makes tackle for 2 yd gain. Drag and post where Carter in his short zone takes the underneath. Pass completed on the post where Wilcox flubbed his zone. Good coverage taking away safety valve in the flat. Foles looks away and throws the ball away. Both guards free release and cutoff pursuit, Holloman fills the wrong gap for allowing first down. Hayden once again single blocked. Claiborne is having a good game so far.

That is the first half. Sorry didn't see the guy your spew claimed.

Try harder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh Witten interception and Holloman gives up a long completion and then Holloman or Wilber misses an assignment allowing a a TD on the strong side.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Watching the second half. So far pd for Carter. How else can he 'mail it in?' I will say that I keep watching Foles look to Carters zone and move to the next read. Hatcher gets a sack after one such lookaway.

Second drive of half sees him get off his block and get an assist. Good man coverage on TE. Punt.

3 and out. Meets FB at los and stands him up. Holloman makes tackle. Holloman cannot get off his block on the strongside. DE cannot keep outside contain Carter cannot get outside in time. Holloman blitzes and Carter blows coverage for big gain. First truly egregious play of the game. Covers halfback pass all the way to the sideline. Goal line stand and Carter is at the point of attack on the turnover on downs.

4th quarter. More free releasing guards. Nice Holloman tackle. Carter double teamed. Hayden makes a tackle! Line is getting blown off the ball. Carter is getting frustrated and body language stinks but the DL is getting killed. Holloman takes out Wilber to the playside and McCoy gets their final score.

I am guessing people heard Collingsworth blame Carter for flubbing the blitz coverage and based your evaluation off of that. I think we can add a whole lot of people to the 'they don't know what they are looking at' file.

 

[casmith07]

he and Mo need to reallly step up this year, if the defense is to have a chance

They will.