MM and the Importance of Coaching

[LovinItAll]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

 

[TwentyOne]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

It is one thing to coach a team but another thing to build it and to keep it competitive.

Both of the latter were accomplished by Jimmy. He build the team. When he left the team quickly crumbled.

 

[Silver Surfer]

If the coach doesn't really matter all that much... and the teams all have access to the same players coming out of college.... then what you're saying is that the difference in performance really boils down to the GM and the owner.

So... if you'll excuse me for a second...

 

[Cowboys5217]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

The usual dismissal of "Jimmy went to Miami..." totally overlooking the fact that Johnson won a national title while in the city of Miami. The first coach to win the title at the college and pro level.

 

[LovinItAll]

It is one thing to coach a team but another thing to build it and to keep it competitive.

Both of the latter were accomplished by Jimmy. He build the team. When he left the team quickly crumbled.

They didn’t quickly tumble. They won a SB two years after he left.

 

[LovinItAll]

The usual dismissal of "Jimmy went to Miami..." totally overlooking the fact that Johnson won a national title while in the city of Miami. The first coach to win the title at the college and pro level.

Not taking anything away from his accomplishments, but he didn’t do it in the salary cap era at the NFL level, and there is conjecture that money was no issue at Miami.

I’ve always been a fan of Jimmy Johnson. I just stated the facts.

 

[LovinItAll]

If the coach doesn't really matter all that much... and the teams all have access to the same players coming out of college.... then what you're saying is that the difference in performance really boils down to the GM and the owner.

So... if you'll excuse me for a second...

And it’s indisputable that the Cowboys assemble great talent. I didn’t say the coach doesn’t matter at all, just not as much as many posters here think. Is a coach good for an extra two wins/year with the same squad? Probably, but it’s the players that have to win games. See: Tom Brady in Tampa Bay, for example. I’d argue that many coaches would’ve ended up going to the SB during his first year in TB. You don’t think so?

 

[lukin2006]

LOL. The thing that allowed the 90s team to be so dominant besides talent was the preparation...Johnson had them both physically and mentally prepared...no team was as well conditioned and prepared as those 90s Cowboys teams...

And Johnson understood the value of dominating the trenches...

MM is a fraud. This team does not have mental toughness...they are soft. Can never say that about Johnson's Cowboys.

 

[LovinItAll]

LOL. The thing that allowed the 90s team to be so dominant besides talent was the preparation...Johnson had them both physically and mentally prepared...no team was as well conditioned and prepared as those 90s Cowboys teams...

And Johnson understood the value of dominating the trenches...

MM is a fraud. This team does not have mental toughness...they are soft. Can never say that about Johnson's Cowboys.

So you’re saying that he couldn’t replicate his conditioning and preparation model in Miami? That in 4 years, he couldn’t build a line and coach one of the best QBs in NFL history to even a conference championship game?

The dynasty that were the 90’s Cowboys were one of the best teams to every exist from a talent perspective. Hall of Famers everywhere. Switzer won a SB with them 2 years after JJ left, for goodness sakes. We know they weren’t nearly as disciplined even the first year he was gone. It didn’t matter.

 

[lukin2006]

So you’re saying that he couldn’t replicate his conditioning and preparation model in Miami? That in 4 years, he couldn’t build a line and coach one of the best QBs in NFL history to even a conference championship game?

The dynasty that were the 90’s Cowboys were one of the best teams to every exist from a talent perspective. Hall of Famers everywhere. Switzer won a SB with them 2 years after JJ left, for goodness sakes. We know they weren’t nearly as disciplined even the first year he was gone. It didn’t matter.

Sure he could. What he could not do was trade Dan Marino and bring in his guy to QB and do you think Marino would be happy with an offence that was a run first offence like Dallas was.

The bigger question is why MM teams are mentally and physically weak? Because teams that lack those to elements are teams that blow 17 and 14 point leads…The 90s team started with the Great Wall of Dallas...generally a collection of misfits that Johnson turned into probably the greatest offensive line of all-time…

The team was a mess when Johnson inherited the team, Johnson built them into a Super Bowl roster. MM inherited a talent roster and has 2 back to back 12 win season…but this is not a great 12 win team…starting Monday this team these coaches have the opportunity to some of us we are wrong…

 

[lukin2006]

And how many nfl coaches have built a championship roster with one team and tBen built one with another team?

when Jimmie arrived in Miami Marino wash on the downside of his career…but he was a Miami legend making it near impossible for Johnson…

 

[noshame]

It wasn't today's standards
Marino was done but Jimmy was stuck with him.

 

[Cowboyny]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

The issue isn't with our coaching staff, but rather our front office. Their refusal to use fa and the trade market makes team building far more challenging as they need to excel in the draft process. We saw this year, what happens with failed draft picks.

 

[nightrain]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

Coaching in and of itself is not the recipe for success. Talent across the roster is of vital importance as you allude to. However, the Giants are a good example of how much coaching matters.

 

[TwentyOne]

They didn’t quickly tumble. They won a SB two years after he left.

I know. And thats what i meant.

What did they do after that SB ? The SB was still JJs roster he build. It was a bit depleted but still his. But 3 to 4 years after he left Dallas went downhill.

To have a team everybody was afraid of after their 1st SB victory. From that was said it wont be beatable for a decade. From which JJ said it could be coached by 500 coaches to being a noname 4 years after to me is very quick.

 

[tunahelper]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

Marino in his prime? I get the by today's standards, which means defenses was immensely more physical and the rules were not so lopsided towards offense. The physicality alone made it difficult for QB's to last past early thirties in the NFL.

Marino was an old 34 compared to his former self. Give a young Marino today's rules for CB play and lack of hitting on the QB and he would have 6000+ yard seasons.

 

[LovinItAll]

I know. And thats what i meant.

What did they do after that SB ? The SB was still JJs roster he build. It was a bit depleted but still his. But 3 to 4 years after he left Dallas went downhill.

To have a team everybody was afraid of after their 1st SB victory. From that was said it wont be beatable for a decade. From which JJ said it could be coached by 500 coaches to being a noname 4 years after to me is very quick.

Exactly. It was his ROSTER, which was my point. There are good rosters every year, but then players get hurt, old, or traded, then even the same coach can’t replicate his earlier results. Again, see: Sean McVay.

That 90’s squad didn’t need Johnson. That’s not conjecture, they proved it with a NFCCG and a SB after he left.

We don’t have a roster like that today. No matter who the coach of Dallas is, we wouldn’t be striking fear into the hearts of every team we play. The salary cap and the parity it created has, in part, made that a fact.

What have the Patriots done since losing Brady? Missed the playoffs in 2 out of 3 years and were bounced without a win in the one they did make. They missed the playoffs twice in 18 years with Brady.

People think we’re going to bring in a new coach and somehow a dynasty will be created. That’s just not going to happen. Mahomes should have a nice run because both he and the team were smart enough to sign a team friendly deal just like Brady did for so many years. Once a QB maxes out his value, it’s incredibly difficult to consistently put the right players around him due to the cap. The stats bear that out. If Dak signed for peanuts like Brady did, we’d be able to build a beast of a team. That’s not going to happen, though.

 

[Verdict]

It is one thing to coach a team but another thing to build it and to keep it competitive.

Both of the latter were accomplished by Jimmy. He build the team. When he left the team quickly crumbled.

The team fell apart because of the salary cap.

 

[visionary]

There’s always talk about Jimmy Johnson and the ‘90’s Cowboys. Of course, the roster was amazing and much of it was built pre-salary cap. JJ leaves and we win another Super Bowl. That’s how good that squad was, maybe one of the best teams ever assembled in the NFL.

It bears mentioning that JJ went to the Dolphins for 4 years and never won his division. He only had (1) 10 win season and had a losing record in the playoffs with them. By today’s standards, Marino was in his prime when JJ arrived (34, I think). It didn’t matter. Jerry Jones wasn’t far off base when he said that almost anyone could’ve coached those Dallas teams. We actually saw ‘anyone’ come in and win a SB.

The next time someone rags on MM, remember that there’s no substitute for talent on the field. The cap and the NFL’s desire for parity makes it very hard to sustain excellence, however you measure it. McVay won a SB a year ago. The Rams were horrible this year. Yeah, Stafford was out, but a few miles north, Mr. Irrelevant has led the 49’ers to the playoffs. McVay is supposed to be a boy wonder, and many here would dump MM for McVay in a second. Not sure it would make any difference, though.

Dog on Jones all you want, but he gets personnel. Too bad there’s a cap. Jerry is an owner that would pay the freight to field a SB contender every year.

What a pathetic post
Littered with ignorance